Madeleine McCann 3 year old missing in Portugal - Part 11

[CaliKid]

The creche- babyphone- sitter thing doesn't make sense to me. It isn't like the McCanns went to Portugal and spent their first day interviewing the creche workers to make sure it was safe for their children. They just plopped them in, assuming that the resort would've looked into background checks and references for its child-care worker. And the McCanns used the creche every day they were there. So what, did they think the standards were lower for the employees at night? Hardly likely.

I agree- the parents didn't want to have to stop drinking at 11:00 to pop over and pick up their children. A sitter in their room could, if I understand it right, stayed until 1:00 a.m. but maybe the parents didn't want the staff talking about the condition they were coming home in after a night on the town.

 

[Morag]

When looking back at the May 3 Tapas timeline, it occurred to me that there was never a time (well, maybe 5 minutes or so) when Jane and Russell were both at dinner. They had a sick child and it seems as though one of them was with her at all times. While Jane's story of the egg man carrying a bundle/child doesn't quite stack up, I don't think the O'Briens were neglecting their children that night.

 

[Jdee]

When looking back at the May 3 Tapas timeline, it occurred to me that there was never a time (well, maybe 5 minutes or so) when Jane and Russell were both at dinner. They had a sick child and it seems as though one of them was with her at all times. While Jane's story of the egg man carrying a bundle/child doesn't quite stack up, I don't think the O'Briens were neglecting their children that night.

I thought the man Jane saw carrying a child away (that she now is sure was Madeleine) had dark hair down on his collar longer in the back. I forget now where this egg head man fit into this whole scheme. Does anybody else recall?

 

[Morag]

I think the egg man and the mullet-haired baby carrier are one and the same. The photo-fit just showed a big egg-shaped blob for the face. He didn't actually have an egg-like bald head!

 

[Jdee]

I think the egg man and the mullet-haired baby carrier are one and the same. The photo-fit just showed a big egg-shaped blob for the face. He didn't actually have an egg-like bald head!

OMG I don't mean to laugh but you slayed me!:laugh:
Thank you I needed that!

 

[Jeana (DP)]

I've actually read this other places, and according to a Portuguese woman on another forum, it's a mis-translation. "Papa" is Portuguese for Daddy. But papa is also a baby talk word for food.

"Papa" is baby talk for "food"????

 

[colomom]

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article2324229.ece

Detectives’ hunt for Madeleine ‘was illegal’

"Inspector Olegário Sousa, of the PolÍcia Judiciária, said: “The investigation in Portugal only can be done by police forces."

"No private detectives had worked with us or with our British colleagues.”

whoopsie....

Guess that answers the question about the use of PIs....

 

[colomom]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/08/24/nmaddy224.xml

Madeleine McCann's father attacks police leaks

Lots of things in this interview are causing my hinkymeter to go crazy!

 

[Jeana (DP)]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/08/24/nmaddy224.xml

Madeleine McCann's father attacks police leaks

Lots of things in this interview are causing my hinkymeter to go crazy!

Yeah, I can see why!!!

However Mr McCann could barely hide his anger as he spoke about the latest claim in the Portuguese tabloid, Tal & Qual, which had a front page headline saying: "Police believe parents killed Madeleine".

 

[CaliKid]

"Papa" is baby talk for "food"????

From Aussie Mike's: http://ionglobaltrends.blogspot.com/2007/08/mccanns-suggestion-to-improve-gerrys.html

Anonymous said...

"I eat, I eat" is a mistranslation. As a translator, I'm lucky online translators are rubbish. What was written was "Papá Papá", which means "Daddy Daddy" but this was mistaken for "Papa", which as another poster has pointed out, is a babyish way of referring to food or eating. It also means "Pope", so the online translator could also have had Madeleine shouting out "Pope, Pope", which would have been a more understandable reason for the McC's visit to the Vatican.

PGTips (sorry, have posted as anonymous because I've forgotten my login password).

 

[CaliKid]

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article2324229.ece

Detectives’ hunt for Madeleine ‘was illegal’

"Inspector Olegário Sousa, of the PolÍcia Judiciária, said: “The investigation in Portugal only can be done by police forces."

"No private detectives had worked with us or with our British colleagues.”

whoopsie....

Guess that answers the question about the use of PIs....

Maybe the problem was trying to do this secretly. If Strongwood had obtained Portuguese permission they might have been welcomed with open arms.

 

[colomom]

Is it just me or does this case seem to be going around in circles? We're getting the same information over and over again, but from different newspapers, posted as new until I don't know who to believe anymore.

Your are correct Cali, IMHO. However, just about everyday I find something even if it is just a little thing. All these little things add up to tip the scales. And I am determined to try my best to find justice for Madeleine, no matter what that justice might be.

All of you that keep plugging away and asking questions, even tough, scary questions, you are Maddie's champions. You should be proud.

:blowkiss:

 

[CaliKid]

And it also sounds as if the McCanns are denying they have leaked almost as much information as the newspapers, either through friends or directly.

I think the egg man and the mullet-haired baby carrier are one and the same. The photo-fit just showed a big egg-shaped blob for the face. He didn't actually have an egg-like bald head!

Thanks for the giggle.

 

[Shazza]

Which is why, ladies and gentlemen, it is a bad thing to leave your children alone and unattended while you go out and get drunk.

Good work, colomom, as usual! You are the eyes and ears for all of us. :clap: :clap:

Bravo Calikid, :clap: and to Colomom :clap: for her hard work and persistence in this case.

 

[Shazza]

From Aussie Mike's: http://ionglobaltrends.blogspot.com/2007/08/mccanns-suggestion-to-improve-gerrys.html

Anonymous said...

"I eat, I eat" is a mistranslation. As a translator, I'm lucky online translators are rubbish. What was written was "Papá Papá", which means "Daddy Daddy" but this was mistaken for "Papa", which as another poster has pointed out, is a babyish way of referring to food or eating. It also means "Pope", so the online translator could also have had Madeleine shouting out "Pope, Pope", which would have been a more understandable reason for the McC's visit to the Vatican.

PGTips (sorry, have posted as anonymous because I've forgotten my login password).

Do we know that Maddie or any of the children speak Portugese, all the children were English, so wouldnt they shout Daddy, Daddy. Why would the children shout in Portugese?

 

[CarpeDiem]

Do we know that Maddie or any of the children speak Portugese, all the children were English, so wouldnt they shout Daddy, Daddy. Why would the children shout in Portugese?

They did have a lot of time in Portuguese Day Care, perhaps they picked up a few words.

 

[Shazza]

They did have a lot of time in Portuguese Day Care, perhaps they picked up a few words.

Or could it have been the witness saying what she heard in Portugese because she couldnt speak English, so therefore it had to be translated. Boy this sure is confusing

 

[mrsmousemat]

DNA has to be matched to a known suspect. And given how well the JP controlled the crime scene, it doesn't seem to have been any one's concern.

The DNA of those charged for crimes in Britain is on record.

If the burglar scenario is correct - the 'burglar' may have been Portuguese.... or then maybe not.

 

[mjak]

I wonder if Mathew Oldfield is going to be the next sacrificial lamb. He didn't actually look in on the children, just listened at the door, so it was almost an hour between Gerry and Kate. And even Gerry didn't actually see Madeleine, so who knows when she was abducted... if she was.

BTW, there was a huge furor over at Aussie Mike's blog today.

http://ionglobaltrends.blogspot.com/2007/08/mccanns-whats-matta-youah-shaddup-ya.html

Date time: August 25, 2007 2:27:00 AM

Apparently Gerry McCann's sisters were on the Richard and Judy talk show in the UK, which several of the forum posters watched live. The sisters reported that Madeleine was definitely abducted because Jane Tanner saw "Madeleine being carried away". When asked by the show hosts if they were sure it was her, they replied it definitely was because the child looked like her and was wearing the same pajamas.

So, are they saying that Jane Tanner is now positive she saw Madeleine being carried away that night? And if so, why didn't JT say something to the McCanns at the time? It makes me wonder if the specific information was even shared with the PJ. Or if they're just making things up.

Unless we are to believe that Jane Tanner saw a stranger taking off with Maddeline and then procedded to carry on her business like normal we can not accept that Jane Tanner is sure of what she saw. Her actions tell a different story. She did not interceded, she did not yell stop , she did not shout for the police.... Her actions that night as far as we know is she carried on as usual until after Maddies disapearance when she decided the significance of what she saw. This is deductive reasoning and in this case it is based on human memory which is very faulted. Sorry jane Tanner can not be positive of this IMO.

mjak

 

[Texana]

The DNA of those charged for crimes in Britain is on record.

If the burglar scenario is correct - the 'burglar' may have been Portuguese.... or then maybe not.

But you must first find them and charge them to have that. As well, if you're wearing gloves and do not bleed,shed hair, expectorate, or otherwise give off bodily fluids, and you are in and out of a home in a few minutes, the odds of the police finding DNA are minimal.

In the States, being only charged with a crime does not result in having DNA on record. Only convicted felons' DNA is on record.

We don't know what the policy is in Portugal, of course, but again, given the disregard for maintaining crime scene integrity, I would be surprised to learn they have an extensive DNA database of convicted felons.

The burglar who was reportedly hitting up the resort rooms seemed to have no concern about leaving DNA.

The burglar-killed-Maddie-and-hid-the-body is the weakest theory.

That leaves: pedophile taking her for himself, child sex ring taking her for business, and accidental overdose/other with the parents involvement.