Madeleine McCann 3 year old missing in Portugal - Part 13

[CaliKid]

According to a Portuguese lawyer, Kate can't plea bargain. The only one who has the authority to offer any kind of short sentence for information given is a magistrate, and she hasn't been in front of one yet.

 

[Shazza]

Iregardless if the freinds and family are really saying something so silly as the police planted evidence in a car not in the parents possession to over 20 days after Maddie dissapeared they are only making the parents look more and more guilty. If this is the best explanation they have to offer to defend the parents it is not belivable and contributes to making the parents look more guilty. Whether this explanation is directly from the parents or made up by the friends and family is says A LOT because of the need for the public to accept that the PLE are morons for it to be plausable. It is a lot easy for the public to just accept that the explanation is false and we all know the first reason we think of people giving false informaion....

mjak

The relatives sure are not helping the McCanns situation at the moment, lets just wait and see what the LE tell us when they can.

 

[kk's mom]

I have never really posted much on this thread, although I have been following this story since it all began. Such a darling little girl.....her eyes captivated me.....my heart just breaks for her.

I know there is not a "playbook" for grief, but I have had a problem with the parents from the beginning. Their demeanor struck a nerve with me. I don't know what you are supposed to "look like" if your child were missing, but I definitely know I would not look like Maddie's parents. I never really ever saw any type of grief from them. If I did see something, it seemed fake. I have seen them smiling, waving, etc. Just doesn't sit right with me. You couldn't get me out of Portugal. I would stay there until I knew what happend to my child. I know they have spent a good chunk of time there, but their worldly jaunts and hopping on private jets to "search for Maddie" makes me somewhat uncomfortable.

Nobod knows for sure what happened to that child. I suspect the parents were involved. How one can do something horrible to their own child and then plead for her return, let someone else take the blame, and act grief stricken when the cameras are around.....well, I have no words to explain that....it's just beyond me.....

 

[CaliKid]

The relatives sure are not helping the McCanns situation at the moment, lets just wait and see what the LE tell us when they can.

The videos of Gerry's brother and sister are pretty typical if you consider the sources. But there was one on yesterday with Kate's father, and I truly felt sorry for him. He looked totally broken, trying to support her but acting as if he didn't know what to believe.

 

[Shazza]

The videos of Gerry's brother and sister are pretty typical if you consider the sources. But there was one on yesterday with Kate's father, and I truly felt sorry for him. He looked totally broken, trying to support her but acting as if he didn't know what to believe.

I saw that video of her dad too Calikid and I also felt sorry for him, if Kate did harm her daughter I dont think she would be able to tell her dad, he would be so disappointed and she knows that, I think her father would have been very proud of his daughters achievements and she would feel like she was letting him down, so I am pretty sure her father would never hear the truth from his daughters lips.

 

[CaliKid]

http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-1283278,00.html
McCanns Vow To Clear Their Names

It has the Phil McCann video attached to it.

 

[lizziedripping]

This reminds me of many crimes where initially the parents can’t praise the Police enough for all the hard work they do when looking for their child’s killer/abductor. The parents are happy to give media interviews and hold press conferences stating what a fine job the Police are doing, how helpful they are being, and how much confidence they have in the Police.

Then, when the Police investigations turn to the parents, all of a sudden they accuse the Police as liars, morons, cheats, of not doing their job properly, need to leave them alone and get out there and focus on the real killers etc.

Darlie Routier is an example of this and look where she is now……. Although the evidence was there for all to see, she would rather die than confess to killing her two sons.

I have always believed the McCann’s have been involved in Maddies disappearance and have done since day one, I also don’t rule out that the friends they dined with that night are involved somewhere along the line. It’s just a shame that so much time has passed for them all to get their heads together and make sure they corroborate each others accounts.

I hope and pray the Police do have the evidence to convict the McCanns, because along with many other people, I would love nothing more than to see them where they belong, behind bars. If I am wrong, then I’ll show my backside on the town hall steps on rent day and that is NOT a pretty sight!!

 

[lizziedripping]

The videos of Gerry's brother and sister are pretty typical if you consider the sources. But there was one on yesterday with Kate's father, and I truly felt sorry for him. He looked totally broken, trying to support her but acting as if he didn't know what to believe.

I saw the interview with Kates Dad and it was upsetting, he reminded me of my own Dad, old and frail, he looked frightened.

 

[Shazza]

This reminds me of many crimes where initially the parents can’t praise the Police enough for all the hard work they do when looking for their child’s killer/abductor. The parents are happy to give media interviews and hold press conferences stating what a fine job the Police are doing, how helpful they are being, and how much confidence they have in the Police.

Then, when the Police investigations turn to the parents, all of a sudden they accuse the Police as liars, morons, cheats, of not doing their job properly, need to leave them alone and get out there and focus on the real killers etc.

Darlie Routier is an example of this and look where she is now……. Although the evidence was there for all to see, she would rather die than confess to killing her two sons.

I have always believed the McCann’s have been involved in Maddies disappearance and have done since day one, I also don’t rule out that the friends they dined with that night are involved somewhere along the line. It’s just a shame that so much time has passed for them all to get their heads together and make sure they corroborate each others accounts.

I hope and pray the Police do have the evidence to convict the McCanns, because along with many other people, I would love nothing more than to see them where they belong, behind bars. If I am wrong, then I’ll show my backside on the town hall steps on rent day and that is NOT a pretty sight!!

Oh Lizzie, just to see you bare your backside on the town hall steps makes me want to believe the McCanns are innocent, but truth be known I too have thought they were guilty from day one.

 

[Edwards20]

A lot has been said about the McCanns' behaviour prior to and since the disappearance. Leaving their kids alone might be considered reckless but it does not make them guilty. Not appearing to be a particularly likeable couple does not make them guilty. Launching what in my opinion seems a rather odd publicity campaign (the flying round the world, audience with the Pope etc etc) doesn't mean they are guilty. Not breaking down into floods of tears at every opportunity does not mean they are guilty. I don't believe there's a right or wrong way to show grief. People are different. That said, their behaviour does strike me as odd, but I'll leave it at that. I like to stick to the facts.

WELL SAID.

It is being questioned whether the "last picture of Madeleine" was really taken on May 3. A theory at the Mirror Forums suggests that the McCanns reset the date on their camera or photoshopped it in. At this point, nobody really knows when the last time she was seen by someone besides her parents.

I suppose it is possible that the date was tampered with. I am not sure if you can do it after the fact ... however, I would think "someone" in a crime lab would be able to tell if the date/time had been tampered with.

We only know what Kate and Gerry are telling their friends to relay to the media.

WELL SAID. Even the DNA in the trunk and the 25 day timeline on the rental car .... that information is coming from the family spokesperson. I would like to hear the facts from LE.

 

[Juliana]

[QUOTE=colomom;1666718]From: http://forums.mirror.co.uk/viewtopic.php?t=10426&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=

NewsPolice tell Maddy's mother: Confess and you'll only get two years
By SAM GREENHILL and STEPHEN WRIGHT - More by this author »

Last updated at 22:59pm on 7th September 2007

Comments




Madeleine was photographed at the poolside that day at 2.29pm but there is no evidence to suggest she was seen in public after that.


If a fatal accident had occurred some time that day, the McCanns could have had more than three hours to hide or move the body and to plan their actions.

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This article states that there is no evidence that Madeleine was seen in public after the 2:20 p.m. photograph at the pool, but I thought it was discovered that she went with her parents and another man to a restaurant for a snack before the McCanns left for the evening? Was that not confirmed?

Thanks for your of you hard work in keeping us up to date!

 

[Jdee]

Sorry it took me so long to respond to you, Jdee, but just now do I have enough time to sit down and read the major Madeleine thread.

I wanted to say, how could you possibly post with us all summer and not let us know what you were going through? Good heavens, woman, we're here for you.

I am so glad, though, that you're okay. Hurrah for Jdee!

Thank you so much Cali! :blowkiss: Gosh has it really been 'ALL summer?' Have we really been here this long looking for poor Madeleine? I pray for an ending soon. Even if it not a good one I want an ending...
Do you remember where you were when you heard about missing Madeleine? I do.. My husband and I were coming back from a trip to Texas and I overhead it on CNN on the radio and my husband was talking and I said...'hush! there is a child missing!'

 

[twinkiesmom]

I have been following this case although not as closely as others here.


if Madeleine was killed by one of the parents in the apartment that night, how/where could they have concealed the body?


If they did it, they had help getting rid of the body. She could have been placed in a suitcase and handed off to one of the tapas 9 before the search went underway.

A lot has been said about the McCanns' behaviour prior to and since the disappearance. Leaving their kids alone might be considered reckless but it does not make them guilty. Not appearing to be a particularly likeable couple does not make them guilty. Launching what in my opinion seems a rather odd publicity campaign (the flying round the world, audience with the Pope etc etc) doesn't mean they are guilty. Not breaking down into floods of tears at every opportunity does not mean they are guilty. I don't believe there's a right or wrong way to show grief. People are different. That said, their behaviour does strike me as odd, but I'll leave it at that. I like to stick to the facts.
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It's more than odd behavior or inadequate emotion. They have confessed to child neglect. They have lied or made mistatements about the number of times the children were checked and by whom. They have lied or made mistatements about the distance of the restaurant from their apartment. They have collected millions of pounds and gone on a worldwide media tour in the interest of a campaign but not registered the charity as a nonprofit. One of the stated goals of the campaign fund is legal expenses.

 

[colomom]

[QUOTE=colomom;1666718]From: http://forums.mirror.co.uk/viewtopic.php?t=10426&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=

NewsPolice tell Maddy's mother: Confess and you'll only get two years
By SAM GREENHILL and STEPHEN WRIGHT - More by this author »

Last updated at 22:59pm on 7th September 2007

Comments

Madeleine was photographed at the poolside that day at 2.29pm but there is no evidence to suggest she was seen in public after that.


If a fatal accident had occurred some time that day, the McCanns could have had more than three hours to hide or move the body and to plan their actions.

]
This article states that there is no evidence that Madeleine was seen in public after the 2:20 p.m. photograph at the pool, but I thought it was discovered that she went with her parents and another man to a restaurant for a snack before the McCanns left for the evening? Was that not confirmed?

Thanks for your of you hard work in keeping us up to date!

The "sighting", in a restaurant and supposedly captured on CCTV, has never been confirmed. The PJ have not confirmed it, though I did hear that they asked the McCanns why this was not disclosed in their initial interview. We have not seen the video. But all of that is typical for this case, alot of rumor and only a little (VERY little) fact.

There are a few ways to explain what might have happened that night.
I always thought that she died at about half past six (maybe right after returning from the restaurant) and that she was in the apartment until just before the McCanns went to dinner. It has been reported that they arrived at 8:45. According to my friend, who was just in PDL, there are TONS of very remote places within 5 minutes drive, or 15 minutes jog, where a body could be hidden and never found. The cadaver scent, which has been reported would require a body being present for 2 hours, could have been from a suitcase or a blanket that was returned to the apartment after she was hidden. And I have also seen reference to these dogs being able to detect the scent after only 1.5 hours! And these dogs are the best in the world.

Course, we still don't know EXACTLY what was detected where...the PJ has not released that type of detail.

All of the above is pure speculation because what else can you do with no facts??

 

[Brefie]

. If I am wrong, then I’ll show my backside on the town hall steps on rent day and that is NOT a pretty sight!!

Umm......which town, what day is rent due....and where is my camera??

 

[CaliKid]

Thank you so much Cali! :blowkiss: Gosh has it really been 'ALL summer?' Have we really been here this long looking for poor Madeleine? I pray for an ending soon. Even if it not a good one I want an ending...
Do you remember where you were when you heard about missing Madeleine? I do.. My husband and I were coming back from a trip to Texas and I overhead it on CNN on the radio and my husband was talking and I said...'hush! there is a child missing!'

I was watching the news as my children were doing homework, and the station mentioned a little girl missing in Portugal. After the children went to bed I got online and I found more information- mostly just a name and age. I remember feeling so sorry for the parents losing their daughter.

 

[colomom]

from Expresso paper edition, Sept. 8:

http://expresso.clix.pt/

Copied from: http://helpmadeleine.proboards79.com/index.cgi?board=latest&action=display&thread=1182386581&page=24 post #346

A case filled with mysteries

At the beginning of the case, all clues pointed to the abduction thesis. But the presence of English sniffer dogs at the Ocean Club, on the 8th of August, two months after Maddie’s alleged disappearance, changed the investigation’s perspective. “The question of kidnapping started to be dismissed. Today, there are not many doubts about the homicide theory”, says Carlos Fonseca, the PJ inspector who investigated the ‘Lisbon Ripper’ case.

Although the suspicions about the parents are growing increasingly stronger, Kate and Gerry McCann will continue their “half insane” strategy of fleeing forward. “The couple will not hesitate to divert responsibility onto the Portuguese investigators”, he theorizes. To Carlos Fonseca, if it is true that Maddie’s parents are guilty, this should become a ‘case study’ to be used as an example for future investigations. A source at the Policia Judiciaria that was contacted by Expresso even compares this case with that of Vale e Azevedo. “After a first lie, it’s easy to tell another one. And so forth”. Possibly the couple never expected to be meeting Pope Benedict XVI one day.

Anyway, when the McCanns’ state of grace dissipated once and for all, last Friday, even the Vatican removed all records about Maddie’s disappearance from their official site.

Death odor in the car trunk

The scenario that was drawn by PJ increasingly points to the McCann couple’s implication in the disappearance of Madeleine, based on clues of the presence of a cadaver in the bedroom and in the trunk of a car that was rented by the two British 25 days after the child’s disappearance. This could be one of the big puzzles in this case. “I don’t believe it was the child’s body, but bloodstained clothes”, specialist Jose Manuel Anes suggests.

“There are strong clues that point to homicide”, a high-ranking official from Policia Judiciaria told Expresso, requesting anonymity. The same source revealed that Kate and Gerry McCann will be constituted arguidos, as suspects of being involved in the death, which is believed to be accidental, of Madeleine, who disappeared 128 days ago.

According to the PJ, the cadaver odour was detected on the floor of the apartment that was rented by the McCanns at Praia da Luz, and in the trunk of the car, a Renault Scenic that was rented five weeks after Madeleine disappeared, on May 3.

These clues were detected by British dogs, which are trained to smell cadavers and blood residues. The Portuguese police then crossed this information with the results of tests that were performed by two English labs, in Birmingham and Yorkshire, with advanced DNA collection technique. When questioned about the type of result that the tests on the samples provided, the same source refused any further details: “I can only say we are satisfied with the work that was done by the British labs”, he said.

According to a source close to the couple, the police even confronted Kate McCann with the presence of Madeleine’s blood in the car’s trunk, which irritated the British doctor very much, during the inquiry.

The same source said that the police sustains the theory of the child’s accidental death, in the bedroom at Praia da Luz. This will justify the arguida status that was applied to Kate McCann by the police’s initiative, on Friday, after interrogations that lasted for several hours, over two days. According to a police source, the same status will be applied to Gerry McCann, whose inquirition started yesterday afternoon and who was still being heard at the time this edition was closed.

Early in the morning, Gerry stated in his blog that Kate McCann is innocent, and guaranteed that the theory of Kate’s involvement in her daughter’s disappearance is “ridiculous”.

By the end of the afternoon, spokesperson Justine McGuiness explained to Expresso that the police had to make Kate an arguida in order to legally her ask some questions. “Kate is devastated”, McGuiness said. “The police is implicating her in her daughter’s death. But not even the authorities can explain Maddie’s whereabouts. Or if she is dead or alive”. According to the spokesperson, the police has dismissed the abduction theory for good.

If they come to be accused of homicide, without Maddie’s body being found – just like in the case of Leonor Cipriano, the mother of Joana – the fact will be very difficult to explain to the British.

 

[colomom]

from Sol paper edition on Sept 8:

http://sol.sapo.pt/PaginaInicial/Default.aspx

Copied from: http://helpmadeleine.proboards79.com/index.cgi?board=latest&action=display&thread=1182386581&page=24 post #347

Nerve war

PJ bet on a pressure strategy on the McCanns

Policia Judiciaria (PJ) has no more doubts that Madeleine is dead, and they’ve closed in on the McCanns in order to discover what happened on the night of May 3.

Kate McCann was constituted arguida yesterday, after an interrogation that lasted for approximately 14 hours. Yesterday, at the end of the afternoon, Gerry was still being heard – accompanied by his lawyer Carlos Pinto de Abreu – and the possibility that he will also become an arguido is open.

Judiciaria tries to determine whether the crime was homicide or accidental death. The investigators have been betting on a strategy that includes placing pressure on the English couple. That is why they decided to interrogate Kate exhaustively first, trying to explore any frailties.

The long interrogations focused on the results from analyses that were performed on residues that were collected in the Ocean Club apartment – which were received this week – but also on some of the inconsistencies that were revealed in the depositions of the couple and their friends, right after the child’s disappearance.

In choosing to hear Kate first, PJ also wanted to enhance the pressure on her husband, Gerry McCann. The way he reacted publicly, in some circumstances, leads the investigators into believing that Gerry ‘explodes’ when he is under pressure. In August, Maddie’s father furiously interrupted an interview to a Spanish television channel, after being questioned about the existence of blood traces in his daughter’s bedroom.

It was also with the intention to benefit from an increase in nervousness among the McCann couple and their friends, that police opted not to confirm officially whether they have received the total of results from analyses that were performed on the samples that were sent to the Birmingham lab.

The police strategy also included delaying as much as possible the constitution of Kate McCann as an arguida, because that status confers her special rights. As an arguida, she has the right to remain silent, and is not obliged to cooperate with the investigation. More: under that status, the law even allows Kate to lie, without being punished for that – contrary to what would happen if she was making a deposition as a witness. That issue was pondered by the PJ, when they advanced the possibility that Kate could become arguida on Thursday evening, without going forward with a formal constitution at that moment.

As arguidos, and because they are British citizens, the McCanns “can be subject to a coercion measure that will prevent them from leaving Portugal”, lawyer Vicky Fernandes explained to Sol. The couple’s friends, who spent their holidays with them in Portugal, may be called to Portimao again, or they may be heard in the UK.

 

[Jdee]

Missing girl's parents want to go home

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070908/ap_on_re_eu/portugal_missing_girl

"Gerry McCann, 4-year-old Madeleine's father, said he and his wife expected clarification of their legal status within 48 hours, according to the friend, Clarence Mitchell. Their lawyer said late Friday that police had declared the parents suspects in the May 3 disappearance.
"They are in broad agreement that they should get out as soon as they can," Mitchell told The Associated Press by telephone from Britain. Whether Portuguese police will allow them to leave is unclear, though their passports are not believed to have been seized up until now."...

 

[angelmom]

Apparently, the car was being rented by one of the McCanns' friends when Madeleine went missing. I don't know what the coincidence would be that the parents would end up with the same car- maybe they liked it or it's a small rental company.

Was it one of the Tapas 9?

Wouldn't that explain the Pact of Silence?