Madeleine McCann 3 year old missing in Portugal - Part 2

[Jdee]

They must be keeping Information hidden. It is the only thing that explains the complete exoneration of the parents and this man being a suspect.

mjak

I agree and I HOPE they do have SOMETHING they are going on here. I would hate to think they are just grasping at empty air.

 

[Floh]

I'm wondering why these guys all keep living with their ex's?

And that, in this sad, sorry business, made me laugh out loud.

i must go to bed, but i'll be back tomorrow with my thoughts and maybe a round up.

all the coincidences yes!

i will say that the vicar hasn't, as far as i'm aware, been called in for questioning and is under no one's suspicion except mine! for now. :waitasec:

 

[MoonGoddess]

What do we know about Robert Murat? Why is he considered a suspect ? I have been unable online to really find an explanation for why the police suspect him. I found out he was working with the police as an interperter when a reporter got suspicios of him and notified police. He lives in the complex where Madeline dissapeared. What else is it that makes him a suspect?

mjak

Hi All,

Here is a link to an article written by the British Journo who put his name forward to the police and why she did it.

http://www.sundaymirror.co.uk/news/...objectid=19135270&siteid=98487-name_page.html

Mr Murat is vehemently protesting his innocence and has contacted a well known PR guy here in the UK to represent him.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/li...id=456803&in_page_id=1770&ICO=NEWS&ICL=TOPART

I personally do not think he is involved, or maybe I am just naive to think that he would be protesting his innocence so strongly if he was guilty.

 

[scandi]

Whoopsidoo, before you head off, I am now wondering if Kate's 'they' could be in the priesthood. It would certainly explain why she said such an odd thing even though she was rattled. If she had seen them lurking around.

We need to know more.
Have a good sleep, and manyana ;}

 

[philamena]

This is an excellent point. There is only conjecture that she was abducted. She was left unsupervised so therefore what happened to her could be as you described it. Her parents are paying a horrible price for their horrific judgement: however, that price is miniscule compared to the life of a child. It is Madeline who is likley paying the worst price of all.

mjak

mjak,
You've written an excellent post. As you said, Madeline is paying the worst price of all. :sick:

 

[Furious]

"they kept the kids in the resoirt's babysitting creche most of the day (parents' statements again)"

Holy crap......When I see parents doing this when I travel with my wife and 2 kids I think the parents are super lazy and just plain detached from their kids. Let me guess.....they have a nanny back home too right? Usually these sorts of parents that stick the kids in the "kids club" at resorts are the nanny type of people. SELFISH

Look here, I've taken my kids - aged 10 & 3 - all over the place. Cancun, Mayan Riviera, Manzanillo, Acapulco, Turks & caicos, Bahamas, Grand Cayman, Virign Islands etc etc......and I LOVE sharing everything with them. My wife and I know that we are travelling as a FAMILY and that our life will revolve around our kids for the weeks we are there. We go to bed early with the kids and get up early....we don't get drunk by the pool or beach while some stranger looks after our children and they're stuck in some kids club babysitting bull#*!t Why bring the kids if you're going to act like they're a burden??? I want to enjoy my wife and kids while on holidays uninterupted by the hustle & bustle of life at home in the big city here in Toronto. I love seeing my kids reactions while playing in the waves and sand or in the pool or out on excursions to swim with the dolphins or go see ancient ruins. These sorts of parents are selfish and lazy. YES it's hard work looking after a 3 year old while vacation....but that's YOUR job...not some stranger.

Back to sleuthing and NOT ranting. They should look into the people running the babysitting service/kids club. Someone there may have spotted the easy prey in these lazy parents and knew they were an easy "mark".....too bad. Once again it's the parents fault here......ditching the kids to strangers ALL DAY and leaving them alone at night, when the hell did they see the kids???? for 1/2 hour in the mornings for breakfast????.....they don't sound fit to be parents!!! IMO :furious:

 

[englishleigh]

Is it possible that the McCanns might have attended Mass at that church in Praia da Luz that weekend before Maddie was taken? She was taken on Thursday, right, and they'd been there several days already? Could they have gone to church on the Sunday and this priest saw her? Or was he already gone to England at that time?

This is huge and makes me extra-sick if it is true, since I am Catholic. I'm always defending the good priests I know from comments about the general perception of pedophile priests.....

 

[Spazkat9696]

Didn't they say they left the kids alone because they didn't want to leave them with a stranger? Do they have personal relationships with the babysitting service?

 

[mjak]

Hi All,

Here is a link to an article written by the British Journo who put his name forward to the police and why she did it.

http://www.sundaymirror.co.uk/news/...objectid=19135270&siteid=98487-name_page.html

Mr Murat is vehemently protesting his innocence and has contacted a well known PR guy here in the UK to represent him.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/li...id=456803&in_page_id=1770&ICO=NEWS&ICL=TOPART

I personally do not think he is involved, or maybe I am just naive to think that he would be protesting his innocence so strongly if he was guilty.

Thank you for posting this. I agree the guy is odd and needed to be looked into. However, I am far from comfortable saying the guy is guilty of anything. Either the police are holding back lots of information or they are doing a lousy job.

mjak

 

[scandi]

Hi Englishleigh, I'm confused on that too. He was a priest there until Easter - in April, right? He has a house in the country where his ex-wife lives - begins with an H ;} which I had the impression wasn't too far away, but I could be wrong. I'll look up those towns now.

I don't know why Floh thought this priest Wilson was back in England, but if he is, the article says he has been back to Praia de Luz since Madeleine went missing. He could have already been there, right, cause he has an apt in town. And the McCanns had been there for 2 weeks already when she went missing.

I'll do some research on it!

 

[Olivia77]

So many fantastic theories and sleuthing being done today. I'm in a new job so I'm way behind and trying to catch up. I appreciate that the talk of the parents is actually being done in a constructive manner while weaving theories. It's a refreshing change.

The priest theory is a good one, especially since the police have always sounded confident they know Madeleine will be brought home alive and well.

Sadly, with all that's come to light recently, anyone watching or stalking those kids would know that they'd have plenty of opportunity to snatch them if they were rarely with the parents.

I also wanted to add to Moon Goodess, Satanists and Wiccans are not one in the same and a Beltane (Wiccan) ritual would never involve the sacrifice of a child. At Wiccan rituals you make "sacrifices" of fruits of the season, breads, cakes, etc. Religious discussions are prohibited at Websleuths, but I wanted to dispel the likelihood of a Beltane ritual having anything to do with Madeleine's disappearance.

 

[englishleigh]

Yes, some priests ARE bad, but I have a very dear friend who is a Catholic priest who would never dream of touching a child in a bad way. He is a very holy person, very kind and not a sexual deviant. I have had him around my children many, many times. For every pedo priest, there are many, many good ones. Honestly!!

 

[RoughlyCollie]

I lived with my ex for a year when my husband (then fiance) moved to another city. I paid no rent, and he got my car in lieu of it at the end.

We were friends and it worked out fine. No hanky panky.

Hi Mjac, I think it is because he told that reporter or someone he was an investigator. Big red flag.

The dogs hit at his mothers house I think. Will have to check on that! I'm sure Floh knows all the reasons.

He knows the vicar on one hand and knows the poolman and his ex-wife on the other hand, who together with RM have been pulled in for questioning. I think on Geraldo I heard the poolman and his ex were called in as witnesses, but who knows the truth right now?

I'm wondering why these guys all keep living with their ex's?

 

[englishleigh]

Hi Englishleigh, I'm confused on that too. He was a priest there until Easter - in April, right? He has a house in the country where his ex-wife lives - begins with an H ;} which I had the impression wasn't too far away, but I could be wrong. I'll look up those towns now.

I don't know why Floh thought this priest Wilson was back in England, but if he is, the article says he has been back to Praia de Luz since Madeleine went missing. He could have already been there, right, cause he has an apt in town. And the McCanns had been there for 2 weeks already when she went missing.

I'll do some research on it!

OK, Scandi, confused now. Are we talking about the priest's ex-wife (!!!), or Murat's? If you mean the priest, then he must be Episcopalian or more likely, Anglican, as the Catholic ones can't get married, as we all know.

 

[englishleigh]

I lived with my ex for a year when my husband (then fiance) moved to another city. I paid no rent, and he got my car in lieu of it at the end.

We were friends and it worked out fine. No hanky panky.

I have a friend who just got divorced from his wife last year, and they remained together in the house for several months while the ex-wife waited to be able to move back in with her parents. They were amicable, occupied different parts of the house, and it worked out fine. He was glad when she finally left, though, LOL.

 

[scandi]

OK, Scandi, confused now. Are we talking about the priest's ex-wife (!!!), or Murat's? If you mean the priest, then he must be Episcopalian or more likely, Anglican, as the Catholic ones can't get married, as we all know.

It is Murat's ex-wife. The priest just happens to be the vicar now in the church in Hoecking, England acc to Floh. I found this article which might have been posted a few days age, but it is timely here now:

http://new.edp24.co.uk/content/news...gory=news&itemid=NOED15 May 2007 20:46:00:770

I also learned Hoecking is NE of London maybe a couple of hundred miles away. I will get a map. I also wanted to find out where the McCanns live in Scotland just for the interest of it, but so far I don't think the McCannes knew this Catholic/Anglican priest.


I'm just terrible I know, but putting 2 + 2 together, knowing he does still have an apt in Paia de Luz and was there in town to come to the defense verbally of RM, and knowing now that the McCannes had been in town for 2 weeks and went to church everyday - He could have seen Madeleine at that church.

Having just left his parish there a few weeks earlier at Easter, I could easily see him having unfinished bix at the church to attend to and their paths could have crossed.

Maybe he made a thing about how cute she was and dawdled on her so that Kate raised an eyebrow. That could be why Kate said 'They' in They have taken her when she ran into the bar to report her missing.

I would like to know more about the other priest who had financial and sexual problems and was given the boot. I wonder if that is even at the same church. Maybe he was this Father Wilson's replacement and they figured him out quickly and let him go. Maybe Kate saw these priests talking together and looking at Madeleine and both of her eyebrows went up! Aye Yi Yi Sorry for all the supposition!

How could we find out all this stuff?

It is complicated and I know my post is hard to read if you want to understand it! LOLOLOL Sorry Englishleigh.

 

[scandi]

I have a friend who just got divorced from his wife last year, and they remained together in the house for several months while the ex-wife waited to be able to move back in with her parents. They were amicable, occupied different parts of the house, and it worked out fine. He was glad when she finally left, though, LOL.

Girls, I was trying to be funny when I said that. I've done it myself I'm finding the way this case might be winding I could become a comedianne, but everything wouldn't really be funny at all because Madeleine is gone right now. Sometimes I like to lighten up a serious confusing subject with a smile at the end!

 

[RoughlyCollie]

And if RM & friends turn out to have had nothing to do with it, what then?

Although RM's situation reminds me of the many cases in which a child disappeared and was found at a pedophile-neighbor's house. RM could certainly be thought of as a neighbor.

I'm certain the abductor(s) didn't expect the massive reward, donations to the fund, and global publicity. I hope with all my being that Madeleine is still alive, but it's been so long that I would be ecstatic *and surprised* if that were the case.

Madeleine's story made the cover of People mag. That reaches a lot of people in the U.S., at least. At our grocery store, there is a row or two of the magazine at each aisle. Every doctor's or dentist's office I've been to has had People magazine in the waiting room. That is a good piece of country-wide publicity, for sure. I doubt Madeleine is in the USA, though. I'm not sure it would have been easy to get her into the country, and we certainly have plenty of little ones here -- no need to go all the way to Portugal for one.

I feel deeply sorry for Madeleine, her parents, and their family and friends.

I wish we lived in a world in which all countries got along and would band together to make sure that the world's children are treated well and live in safety and know that they are valued and loved. There are so many organizations and individual people who try mightily to make a difference in children's lives, but they reach only the tip of the iceberg.

Many of us would not have left our children alone in an allegedly unlocked apartment in a foreign country. But that does not mean our children are safe, or that Madeleine would have otherwise been safe. There are plenty of psychopaths out there who get children no matter how well their parents watch out for them.

I'm sorry if this is rambling and disjointed. My pain meds for kicked in and I'm not making my points very succinctly. If I left out a conclusion, please make it for me.

(My mind is woozy and the pain meds aren't working. If anyone knows how to make severe tendonitis pain go away, please let me know in a PM. So far, I've tried every over the counter drug, and now Percocet (not all at the same time!), and I still cannot use my right arm/hand/wrist at all.)

Thanks!

 

[scandi]

Yes, some priests ARE bad, but I have a very dear friend who is a Catholic priest who would never dream of touching a child in a bad way. He is a very holy person, very kind and not a sexual deviant. I have had him around my children many, many times. For every pedo priest, there are many, many good ones. Honestly!!

I've known a few Lutheran and Methodist ministers that were BAD too. They usually only talk about the Catholic ones. Not that that makes the BAD ones better, of course!

 

[scandi]

And if RM & friends turn out to have had nothing to do with it, what then?

Although RM's situation reminds me of the many cases in which a child disappeared and was found at a pedophile-neighbor's house. RM could certainly be thought of as a neighbor.

I'm certain the abductor(s) didn't expect the massive reward, donations to the fund, and global publicity. I hope with all my being that Madeleine is still alive, but it's been so long that I would be ecstatic *and surprised* if that were the case.

Madeleine's story made the cover of People mag. That reaches a lot of people in the U.S., at least. At our grocery store, there is a row or two of the magazine at each aisle. Every doctor's or dentist's office I've been to has had People magazine in the waiting room. That is a good piece of country-wide publicity, for sure. I doubt Madeleine is in the USA, though. I'm not sure it would have been easy to get her into the country, and we certainly have plenty of little ones here -- no need to go all the way to Portugal for one.

I feel deeply sorry for Madeleine, her parents, and their family and friends.

I wish we lived in a world in which all countries got along and would band together to make sure that the world's children are treated well and live in safety and know that they are valued and loved. There are so many organizations and individual people who try mightily to make a difference in children's lives, but they reach only the tip of the iceberg.

Many of us would not have left our children alone in an allegedly unlocked apartment in a foreign country. But that does not mean our children are safe, or that Madeleine would have otherwise been safe. There are plenty of psychopaths out there who get children no matter how well their parents watch out for them.

I'm sorry if this is rambling and disjointed. My pain meds for kicked in and I'm not making my points very succinctly. If I left out a conclusion, please make it for me.

(My mind is woozy and the pain meds aren't working. If anyone knows how to make severe tendonitis pain go away, please let me know in a PM. So far, I've tried every over the counter drug, and now Percocet (not all at the same time!), and I still cannot use my right arm/hand/wrist at all.)

Thanks!

What a wonderful post Roughly. Sorry about your tendonitis. My hubby got Cortisone shots for that I think. I'll think healing thoughts for you! :blowkiss: Scandi

ETA: I forgot! You said "And if RM & friends turn out to have had nothing to do with it, what then?" Do you mean us talking about them like this? I believe that when someone's name is in the paper, they are open for discussion. Children no, because they are helpless to protect or defend themselves.