Madeleine McCann 3 year old missing in Portugal - Part 2

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Girls, I was trying to be funny when I said that. I've done it myself :p I'm finding the way this case might be winding I could become a comedianne, but everything wouldn't really be funny at all because Madeleine is gone right now. Sometimes I like to lighten up a serious confusing subject with a smile at the end! ;)

LOL...I know you were. I just always have to add my personal .02, if I have it on whatever the subject is at hand..... :p
 
I've known a few Lutheran and Methodist ministers that were BAD too. They usually only talk about the Catholic ones. Not that that makes the BAD ones better, of course!
The worst are the "Evangelicals, the ones who are "called personally by God"
I'm not sure I am completely comfortable with organized religion. Its strange the parents took the children to church, but couldn't take them to eat? or is there something I'm missing.:waitasec: :waitasec:
 
Ha! I didn't even notice the smile. This is obviously not going to be my most observant, coherant evening. :doh:

Girls, I was trying to be funny when I said that. I've done it myself :p I'm finding the way this case might be winding I could become a comedianne, but everything wouldn't really be funny at all because Madeleine is gone right now. Sometimes I like to lighten up a serious confusing subject with a smile at the end! ;)
 
Cortisone shots hurt like the dickens. I'd rather suffer without one! This just happened, but if it drags on past a few weeks, I'll reconsider. Thanks for the info, and thanks for the healing thoughts.

No, no, no. I don't mean talking about them like this. I mean what will the police do then? Sorry I wasn't clear.



What a wonderful post Roughly. Sorry about your tendonitis. My hubby got Cortisone shots for that I think. I'll think healing thoughts for you! :blowkiss: Scandi

ETA: I forgot! You said "And if RM & friends turn out to have had nothing to do with it, what then?" Do you mean us talking about them like this? I believe that when someone's name is in the paper, they are open for discussion. Children no, because they are helpless to protect or defend themselves.
 
The worst are the "Evangelicals, the ones who are "called personally by God"
I'm not sure I am completely comfortable with organized religion. Its strange the parents took the children to church, but couldn't take them to eat? or is there something I'm missing.:waitasec: :waitasec:

:D :D :D Too funny Schmerty! Hilarious ;}
 
Hey, I just found an interesting post at the Mirror site, although it isn't linked, I'm sure if we had to we could join the site to PM him! LOLOLOL It's from Mirror:

http://forums.mirror.co.uk/viewtopic.php?t=399&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=1245
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" . . . Dogs didn't get Maddys track just outside the bedroom door. But got it some meters later heading to a close appartement. And from there heading to Murat's house.For PJ the girl never got out herself. She was carried.
As a far as i remember never wore a case that PJ considered someone as a suspect that weren't the case.
Some 2 or 3 years ago a little child was also missing. 4/5 days after PJ considered her mother as suspect. Everybody was screaming against PJ that a mother couldnt do anything like that. Well 3/4 months later they prove it and the maother confessed."
By Puerto


I also just read a post there, will try to find it, where a serious poster said he had never known someone to be questioned and looked at like they have Murat and not seen them not arrested eventually. Oh! It was in this link. Now I'm going daffy and haven't even had a cocktail! ;}

Scandi
 
took her stuffed animal with her when she was kidnapped? I don't think the animal being left behind is necessarily a sign that she was kidnapped. If she woke up and felt she had to get to her parents, she could have also just walked right out the door, without taking anything.

I do think that what the mother allegedly said, and the fact that they waited sooo long to call the authorities may point to another scenario, which is what if she met with an accident in the apartment, or right near it, and the parents walked in on the aftermath...

- should be "Jessica Lunsford" sorry for the typo -

Here's a thought...maybe Madie is a sleep walker.

My youngest one was a sleepwalker and did so till he was about 7. One time we were on vacation and he was sound asleep and I was asleep as well. My husband was in the bathroom and I heard my son banging on the bathroom door and crying that he wanted to get in. My husband said he would be out in a minute and I tried to console him by telling him it would be just a minute. When he was in that "state" you knew he wasn't really awake because you couldn't console him. He quieted down for a minute and I started to drift off again knowing my husband would be out in a minute. The next thing I heard was the click of the hotel room door closing. I sprang out of bed and IMMEDIATELY went out in the hallway and he was no where to be found. The hotel had different wings and led to the outside. you did not need to take an elevator you could walk down the stairs which led either to the beach, the pool or the lobby. Both my husband and I were frantic looking for him. All I could think of was that he went down to the beach and I'd never find him because it was pitch black except for the moon. I also kept thinking that he wandered down one of the hallways and someone grabbed him. It was the scariest 5 minutes of my life. My husband went one way and I went another and we were frantically calling his name. Since it was the middle of the night there really weren't any workers or guests around to help locate him. We eventually found him walking down one of the hallways walking back to our room. By the time we got to him he was no longer in his sleep walking state.

It happened in an instant and we were in the room! He's 10 now and till this day I still put furniture up against the hotel room door so that I would hear him trying to leave. He hasn't sleep walked in several years, but after that episode I'm still paranoid.

I know this is a stretch, but it might be a possibility with Maddie. The only thing I keep coming back to is in one of the first news reports it said that the authorities were sure it was an abduction. They must have had a reason to have made that statement.

When the mom came running out and said "they've taken her"...that's odd to me. There had to have been something more than her leaving her stuffed animal behind for her to have said that.

And lastly the fact that no one is enticed by the $5,000,000 reward money makes me think the outcome is not good.
 
Possible, i suppose. but then where is she?

i sleepwalk. not often. often enough to put furniture in front of a hotel bedroom door just in case, though. to try to halt an impending disaster of toppling down strange stairs, for example.

it's a bit of a burden. it takes a person/people a little time to realise when they are speaking to me in that altered state while i'm inevitably crashing around a room (whose layout is clearly unfamiliar) i'm not really all there at all. and i do converse with them, after a fashion. nonsense, much of the time. disjointedly.

sometimes i remember snatches of conversations and what i did, sometimes not.

i wake and realise what's happening. often i cannot understand where i am.

"He hasn't sleep walked in several years, but after that episode I'm still paranoid."

i'm sorry to add to your paranoia, but you are right to be.

for me, i'd say it happens maybe once every 5 or so years. significant other has only seen it happening once in 8 years.

ETA: one can travel quite a distance, when there are no barriers, in a sleepwalking state. although i'd estimate i've only ever made it about 50 yards. as far as i am aware! :eek:
 
5 million reward???? sheesh....how many other kids have gone missing around the world in the last 2 weeks???? and they're not getting this media attention....sad,very sad.

This could have and should have all been prevented right off the bat.
 
5 million reward???? sheesh....how many other kids have gone missing around the world in the last 2 weeks???? and they're not getting this media attention....sad,very sad.

This could have and should have all been prevented right off the bat.

"Prevention is the best medicine", quite apt for doctors dont you think.
 
I think that since she has not been found at this point (ruling out construction sites, etc.), I think she unfortunately ended up in the ocean.
 
I think that since she has not been found at this point (ruling out construction sites, etc.), I think she unfortunately ended up in the ocean.

That could be one conclusion, but there are so many unanswered questions that could also lead to other options. As time passes so does the chance that Madelaine will be found alive. Things dont look good, but havent given up praying for a miracle and she is found alive and well. What really alarms me is that if Madelaine is alive, how very frightened she must be, god be with you Madelaine.
 
5 million reward???? sheesh....how many other kids have gone missing around the world in the last 2 weeks???? and they're not getting this media attention....sad,very sad.

Atleast people are showing they care about someone besides themself. Atleast this case is opening eyes and teaching lessons. Atleast, I hope, this child can be saved and many others.

Whomever is responsible needs to be found and put away, before they do this again. And, they were SO successful with Maddie's abduction, you know her's is not their first. I hope the reward fund can blow open the door.
 
- or met with harm in the apartment (meaning an accident, not an abduction) then it is her parents who would need to be "put away", unfortunately...
 
- or met with harm in the apartment (meaning an accident, not an abduction) then it is her parents who would need to be "put away", unfortunately...

I'm not sure if it has been looked into as to whether Madeleine was in bed asleep in the first place?
 
I haven't read in the news today that they have yet released that second "wittness". Seems odd they would hold this guy overnight. That seems really suspicious to me. Why couldn't he answer all their questions to their satisfaction in a few hours? Overnight??? Red flags are going up!
 
I am posting here in the hope that I can be guided as to a possible? theory/reasoning behind the disappearance of this child………….and if I should act on it.

I have an interest in Psychic studies.

I was ‘pondering’ on the disappearance of this child which led me to discover that she went missing during a time in which Wiccan?/Satanic? ritual is celebrated (don’t know if that is an appropriate ‘term’ to use but not having a lot of knowledge on these ‘activities’ was frankly stumped as to the correct terminology to use.

I found these links – excerpts from which follow:-

http://www.trosch.org/help.html


Excerpts from a Satanic Ritual Calendar found later in this document.....
.......

Apr 21 - May 1
Abduction


I am not copying/pasting the whole thing as quite frankly I found it deeply disturbing.

also

http://www.witchvox.com/va/dt_article.html?a=cabc&id=8514
  • "DATE: Apr. 21-26, CELEBRATION: Preparation for the sacrifice. DATE: Apr. 26-May 1, CELEBRATION: Grand Climax, TYPE: Da Muer, USAGE: Corpus De Baahl, AGE: 1-25 (female)".[21] …………………
Another Christian name for Beltaine is Roodmas, Rudemas or Rood Day, which has been moved to May 3.

.....

May 3 was the day Madeleine went missing. There was also a Full Moon the day before.

TBH this has totally freaked me out but needed to share it incase it holds any relevance. Would a police investigation even contemplate such co-incidences?...or even be prepared to expose - if any such activity was prevelant in an area in which tourists frequent?

Here is a link to a forum in the UK which is heavily debating aspects of this case, but mainly contains in house fighting amongst forum members whom have diversely opposing views as to the culpability of the parents, the huge amount of media coverage etc. But maybe some useful links as to the information we are receiving in the UK.

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=575814

Hi MG, welcome to WS! Disturbing doesn't quite describe some of the info contained in these links. I think the link w/ "Baby Sue", A Parent's Guide to Satanic Cult Ritual Abuse should be removed. Maybe someone wrote these rituals as a joke, but I certainly didn't see the humor in it. I find defecating on paper plates w/ your family & eating feces, or nailing the dog's feet and skinning him alive totally irrelevant to this case. I'm sorry I filled my mind w/ such filth!

While anything is possible, I would hate to think of Madeline being part of a satanic ritual abduction/sacrifice and wonder if this has been investigated. I think Madeline has been abducted and possibly sold to a child 🤬🤬🤬🤬 ring. She is very unique looking and possibly caught someone's eye who saw her as a money maker. I hope I'm wrong, but why did someone take her and not the twins? I think the twins are cute, but I think someone was looking for a certain look. Madeline is a beautiful child and I think someone visualized how even more beautiful she would look w/ make up and had to have her for kiddie 🤬🤬🤬🤬. This is obviously jmo and I sincerely hope I'm wrong.
 
I am posting here in the hope that I can be guided as to a possible? theory/reasoning behind the disappearance of this child………….and if I should act on it.

I have an interest in Psychic studies.

I was ‘pondering’ on the disappearance of this child which led me to discover that she went missing during a time in which Wiccan?/Satanic? ritual is celebrated (don’t know if that is an appropriate ‘term’ to use but not having a lot of knowledge on these ‘activities’ was frankly stumped as to the correct terminology to use.

I found these links – excerpts from which follow:-

http://www.trosch.org/help.html


Excerpts from a Satanic Ritual Calendar found later in this document.....
.......

Apr 21 - May 1
Abduction


I am not copying/pasting the whole thing as quite frankly I found it deeply disturbing.

also

http://www.witchvox.com/va/dt_article.html?a=cabc&id=8514
  • "DATE: Apr. 21-26, CELEBRATION: Preparation for the sacrifice. DATE: Apr. 26-May 1, CELEBRATION: Grand Climax, TYPE: Da Muer, USAGE: Corpus De Baahl, AGE: 1-25 (female)".[21] …………………
Another Christian name for Beltaine is Roodmas, Rudemas or Rood Day, which has been moved to May 3.

.....

May 3 was the day Madeleine went missing. There was also a Full Moon the day before.

TBH this has totally freaked me out but needed to share it incase it holds any relevance.



Oh, please do not associate Wiccans with Satanists. The difference between the two is night & day. Wiccans don't believe in Satan. The existence of "Satan" is a Christian belief and has no place in Wiccan beliefs. True Wiccans wouldn't harm a fly, literally. The Wiccan "motto" is "Harm None". I am Wiccan and therefore do not eat even meat and would never be associated with anyone/anything that would harm children. Children are precious to us because they are the furture keepers of the Earth and we realize that how they are taught by us decides the fate of Mother Earth.

Beltane is the Wiccan holiday for May day. It's a celebration of Spring...fertility...you show your thanks by providing foods of the season & displaying flowers. We usually have a bonfire...as Beltane means "shining fire". There are no "sacrifices".

AND Chrisitians can't move our holidays. It is not May 3rd. It is and will always be the eve of and the day of May 1st.

Just wanted to clear that up.

Maddie was taken by somebody dark & sinister, no doubt in my mind.
That is not what Wicca is about. Goth kids ignorant of Wiccan ways are giving us a bad name. They are not Wiccan, they are goth.

BTW, welcome to Websleuths!
When I first saw your user name, I thought you might be Wiccan. It's all about the Gods & Goddesses and the Earth/nature in Wicca.
The moon is a big factor as well.
Hope you like it here :)
 
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