Madeleine McCann 3 year old missing in Portugal - Part 2

[petra]

Gerry McCann to make another statement in 15min - 15:30GMT

Audio or video live stream feed on skynews-


http://news.sky.com/skynews/livenewsevents

 

[MoonGoddess]

You beat me to it petra

Rumour has it that it was pressure from Gordon Brown (our future Prime Minister) on the request of the McCanns that forced the Portugese Police to release the information.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6694999.stm

The McCanns believe this 'sighting' could be significant...........or throw the Police off the scent some may think.

 

[Jeana (DP)]

People wanted to beat me to a pulp just because I couldn't forgive the parents for leaving the children alone and now they're be called possible suspects?

 

[Ang50]

Cops, who had a detailed description two days after the kidnap in the Algarve resort of Praia da Luz, finally confirmed the information yesterday.
A woman saw the suspect at 9.30pm. She said she knew the bundle being carried was a sleeping child because tiny feet were sticking out from a blanket.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2007240311,00.html

This makes me sick to my stomach. Really sick. She may have been sleeping - a child in a deep sleep can be picked up and carried easily. My kids pop right up - this particular thing wouldn't happen with them.

OR - the poor little girl wasn't sleeping, but unconcious.

Here's the thing that really makes me mad after seeing that map - there is NO WAY the parents could have seen or heard those kids. If one of the twins had woken up when M was taken and cried out, the parents still wouldn't have heard them.

 

[Ang50]

People wanted to beat me to a pulp just because I couldn't forgive the parents for leaving the children alone and now they're be called possible suspects?

Where are they suspects? I haven't read that.

 

[Morag]

The term "pedophile ring" is used from time to time, and it always seems a bit nebulous....But while there are many pedophiles, there are relatively few kidnap/murders, considering the huge number of children in the world. So most pedophiles molest and move on to their next victim. I would imagine that this is the first missing child from that particular resort.

Bear with me, please, I do have a point!

Does anyone reading this remember the David Westerfield case in San Diego? Although Danielle seemed to be his first murder victim, she was not his first victim. Westerfield's niece described having been molested by "Uncle David" when she was sleeping at a family party.

What if there are two or more pedophiles working at the resort? They would be in an excellent position to know which children are routinely left alone--I think that the "it's so safe you can leave the kids alone" belief of the parents might have been a common one at that resort.

Maybe there have been nighttime molestations of other children left alone there.

Maybe Madeleine fought back, maybe she wasn't soundly asleep, maybe she died. And if such a thing as a ring of pedos were working at the resort, or lived near there, then removing a little girl and hiding her permanently would have been easy.

 

[mjak]

The term "pedophile ring" is used from time to time, and it always seems a bit nebulous....But while there are many pedophiles, there are relatively few kidnap/murders, considering the huge number of children in the world. So most pedophiles molest and move on to their next victim. I would imagine that this is the first missing child from that particular resort.

Bear with me, please, I do have a point!

Does anyone reading this remember the David Westerfield case in San Diego? Although Danielle seemed to be his first murder victim, she was not his first victim. Westerfield's niece described having been molested by "Uncle David" when she was sleeping at a family party.

What if there are two or more pedophiles working at the resort? They would be in an excellent position to know which children are routinely left alone--I think that the "it's so safe you can leave the kids alone" belief of the parents might have been a common one at that resort.

Maybe there have been nighttime molestations of other children left alone there.

Maybe Madeleine fought back, maybe she wasn't soundly asleep, maybe she died. And if such a thing as a ring of pedos were working at the resort, or lived near there, then removing a little girl and hiding her permanently would have been easy.

Well anything is possible but I prefer to elimated the likley before going on to the unlikley. In this case the first likely and unfortunite sceniro is that the parents are involved with Maddie's dissapearance. I am not saying they are involved only in my opiion this is the first line of thinking that needs to be explored. It has not been explored at all. I have read every account in the media I could and not one sentance about clearing the parents as suspects. Unless portugal does not recognize the sickening reality of parental involvment in missing children I am clueless as to why these parents have been given an absolute assumption of innocent. Unless scrutiny of the parents is happening behind the scenes; however, I think the media would be reporting this.

mjak

 

[Ang50]

Morag - I don't know about a ring of pedos, but I think in general parents/people think of resorts/hotels/cruises as safe and they are NOT. They're certainly not safer than home, and I wouldn't have left my children asleep in my home while I went across the street to the corner bar.

Of course we know about people who disappear on cruises, and I know of some who have vanished on resorts - foul play suspected. The people that work there are not always screened, and aren't subject to specific background checks, etc. Even if they were - you're still in another country and don't know their standards.

My point is simply that it wouldn't require a ring. It could just be one sicko.

 

[Ang50]

Unless scrutiny of the parents is happening behind the scenes; however, I think the media would be reporting this.

mjak

I would guess there's probably scrutiny. However, if LE is wrong and there really was a kidnapping, they will look awful. So if LE isn't sure yet about the parents, they wouldn't give anything about that to the media, IMHO.

 

[mjak]

I would guess there's probably scrutiny. However, if LE is wrong and there really was a kidnapping, they will look awful. So if LE isn't sure yet about the parents, they wouldn't give anything about that to the media, IMHO.

I do not see how LE would look awful if they verbalized they they are looking into the parents as well as the possibility of a kidnapping. Too me LE looks incompetant right now because they act as if the parents account is automaticly accepted and keep pointing to different suspects.

mjak

 

[MoonGoddess]

Well anything is possible but I prefer to elimated the likley before going on to the unlikley. In this case the first likely and unfortunite sceniro is that the parents are involved with Maddie's dissapearance. I am not saying they are involved only in my opiion this is the first line of thinking that needs to be explored. It has not been explored at all. I have read every account in the media I could and not one sentance about clearing the parents as suspects. Unless portugal does not recognize the sickening reality of parental involvment in missing children I am clueless as to why these parents have been given an absolute assumption of innocent. Unless scrutiny of the parents is happening behind the scenes; however, I think the media would be reporting this.

mjak

http://news.independent.co.uk/europe/article2530766.ece

At a press conference last night, Chief Inspector Olegarion Sousa said that " all the places that have been checked, the results are zero" across a 200 sq km area centred on Praia da Luz ­ and that the inquiry would now change tack.
Mr Sousa also stressed that Madeleine's parents, Gerry and Kate McCann, were not under suspicion, although they spent all afternoon in the police station at Portimao, 10 miles from Praia, where Madeleine disappeared eight days ago. They had been re-interviewed for information which would assist the process of the inquiry. "There are no suspicions on them," he said.


Bare in mind though this was early on in the enquiry 11 May 2007

 

[Morag]

Morag - I don't know about a ring of pedos...

My point is simply that it wouldn't require a ring. It could just be one sicko.

I don't know about a ring of pedos, either. But I do imagine that there could be molesters among the regulars at the resort and its surroundings. Many crimes of pedophilia are crimes of opportunity, a sleeping child separated from his/her parents...

At any rate, this was a new idea which had not really been discussed. We are concentrating on the idea that a random perv was watching for his chance and found it. I'm proposing that other children at that resort may have been molested, unbeknownst to them or to their parents.

This particular time, something different happened... And this could connect people living near the resort and those working there. Not too many innocent folks would help a sicko dispose of or conceal a child. But some who share the prediliction of the perp would help him..

Every pervert who turns into a kidnapper/murderer has previous victims--sometimes very many of them. Chances are, when this fiend is apprehended, he will not turn out to be a first offender! Like "Uncle Dave" Westerfield, he has been doing this to children for a long time.

Regarding the parents--- it seems verrrry unlikely that they are the perps, IMO. They are no doubt mortified at the realisation that they were so (optimistically) careless with their babies, and I would bet that the parents are blaming one another, making them appear ill at ease when together.

 

[MoonGoddess]

I'd be very interested in anyone's opinion on the body language in the photograph but moreso the video on this link - it was 5 days after Madeleine went missing.

http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,91210-1264418,00.html

The mother looks angry to me and the way the father leans on her at the end.............well just odd IMHO

 

[kazzbar]

People wanted to beat me to a pulp just because I couldn't forgive the parents for leaving the children alone and now they're be called possible suspects?

not me Jeana. I respect your opinion and your actions in regard to this case.

 

[kazzbar]

In jan here a little girl was raped whilst sleeping in an annexe of a caravan whilst in a caravan park.Her older brothers were with her but asleep.The parents left the zip up door open and the perv got in during the night. Why would people assume that a caravan park or hotel is safe .these places have transient population at all tiimes....
If a ring is involved then they have probably been watching this place for a while... waiting for the 'right' child and the perfect oppertunity... I cannot believe someone else has not seen suspicious behaviour at some time.
Oh, yeah, just to add that the little girls abuser was caught because he had attemtpted to grab another child days before..he was a local in the area but not staying at the van park.

 

[philamena]

I understand lawyers have a lot of influence and contacts in high places. But one would only call a lawyer if they forsaw trouble which is my thinking here. Lawyers were called before searching parties etc, why.

Most people who lawyer up do so for a reason. Again, the Ramsey's did the same thing. If they have nothing to hide, why hire lawyers?

I'm still on the fence however where the parents are concerned. I definately think they're guilty of neglect for leaving their children alone for hours at night. But after rewatching the news interview, they seem sincerely distraught.

 

[Shazza]

Most people who lawyer up do so for a reason. Again, the Ramsey's did the same thing. If they have nothing to hide, why hire lawyers?

I'm still on the fence however where the parents are concerned. I definately think they're guilty of neglect for leaving their children alone for hours at night. But after rewatching the news interview, they seem sincerely distraught.

Our lawyer friend on earlier posts said that people go to lawyers for other advice not of a legal matter, wouldnt you go to the police, investigators, doctor if you are distraught over the loss of your child, a lawyer wouldnt even come into my thinking if one of my children went missing.

 

[kazzbar]

Our lawyer friend on earlier posts said that people go to lawyers for other advice not of a legal matter, wouldnt you go to the police, investigators, doctor if you are distraught over the loss of your child, a lawyer wouldnt even come into my thinking if one of my children went missing.

I tthink some people just have a lawyer up type of thinking... it is probably because in their profession they have to protect themselves from legal action and it just becomes second nature. I do not think lawyering up is that strange really given the circumstances. I think employing PR is really strange. If that has been done..although maybe if it was done it was to get more publicity for maddy's plight.
Just think out loud really,guys........this case is very baffling and I do not really have any concrete view about what has happened to Maddy.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

I have no doubt that the PR Firm was hired to protect their reputation or repair it as the case may be since it came to light about them being irresponsible parents. With the chance they will face charges of neglect, putting a spin on things will help their case. Also, the lawyering up might be very well because they could face charges later and run the risk of losing the other two babies. Whatever they say in the media could be used against them later so it isn't out of the question that they are being 'groomed' for appearances and interviews.

 

[Shazza]

I have no doubt that the PR Firm was hired to protect their reputation or repair it as the case may be since it came to light about them being irresponsible parents. With the chance they will face charges of neglect, putting a spin on things will help their case. Also, the lawyering up might be very well because they could face charges later and run the risk of losing the other two babies. Whatever they say in the media could be used against them later so it isn't out of the question that they are being 'groomed' for appearances and interviews.

That is so wrong, parents being advised by lawyers to save face, if you do the crime you pay the time. They have committed a crime, child neglect. The PR firm is a farce, it they were hired to protect their reputation, the parents are not getting their monies worth.

Prayers for Madelaine.