Madeleine McCann 3 year old missing in Portugal - Part 4

[englishleigh]

I think losing a child and stating your 'faith will be tested'.. is a pretty normal reaction. For me it's the same thing as saying your mad at God... They need to blame somebody here and much easier to blame a divine entity than themselves.

True, but it's not God's fault. He didn't leave Maddie alone. If Maddie is alive, He has His hand on her. If not, she's in His arms. He wants to comfort her parents.

Sometimes God lets free will and events play out according to His plan. Sometimes, He intervenes. I still pray He will intervene in this case. I also pray that Maddie's parents will turn to Him if Maddie never comes back, instead of away. If they are truly strong Catholics, this will occur.

 

[Jdee]

The somebody they need to blame is themselves, they left their children not God.

I agree with you... but for them it's easier to look to lay blame somewhere else.

 

[twinkiesmom]

The McCanns simply refuse to believe the obvious...that she was in the hands of a sexual predator and is likely dead.

Proof of death in this case would be a blessing (as opposed to her being passed from perv to perv).

They seem to be clinging to the idea that she is with a new family, but that is the least likely scenario. Madeleine would have been the least desirable target of an adoption ring being the oldest of the group and the most likely to remember her birth family.

 

[englishleigh]

The McCanns simply refuse to believe the obvious...that she was in the hands of a sexual predator and is likely dead.

Proof of death in this case would be a blessing (as opposed to her being passed from perv to perv).

They seem to be clinging to the idea that she is with a new family, but that is the least likely scenario. Madeleine would have been the least desirable target of an adoption ring being the oldest of the group and the most likely to remember her birth family.

Deep down they can't allow themselves to think that Maddie is probably gone from this earth b/c it would mean that they indirectly caused that death by leaving her unattended, and in their perfect physician lives, they can't accept that. So they have to blame God and keep hope alive.

Yes, it's possible (though not probable) that Madeleine is still alive but even if she is, I doubt she'll ever be returned to them. Yes, miracles happen...and I pray for one here...but reality is still reality.

They need counseling, and they need it big-time. I wonder if they are getting any offered to them or have sought any?

 

[SeriouslySearching]

I think losing a child and stating your 'faith will be tested'.. is a pretty normal reaction. For me it's the same thing as saying your mad at God... They need to blame somebody here and much easier to blame a divine entity than themselves.

Yes, I think this is a normal reaction. Even Kelsey's Father made a similar statement. It doesn't mean they don't have any faith, but it does mean they are angry, hurt, and don't know why they have to suffer so.

I have always felt it isn't ours' to wonder why we are asked to suffer, but to know that we can handle whatever it is we are asked to cope with no matter the outcome.

 

[MoonGoddess]

Deep down they can't allow themselves to think that Maddie is probably gone from this earth b/c it would mean that they indirectly caused that death by leaving her unattended, and in their perfect physician lives, they can't accept that. So they have to blame God and keep hope alive.

Yes, it's possible (though not probable) that Madeleine is still alive but even if she is, I doubt she'll ever be returned to them. Yes, miracles happen...and I pray for one here...but reality is still reality.

They need counseling, and they need it big-time. I wonder if they are getting any offered to them or have sought any?

Hi everyone....its good to be able to chat to all you guys/gal's about all of this....

I do not hold deeply religious beliefs but I do believe in a 'higher power' so to speak...

I feel God granted them this child after years of trying to conceive naturally, you'd have thought they would have guarded that 'special gift' (their family and freinds have referred to Maddie as their 'miracle child') but instead they leave her exposed to the dangers of this world ( if indeed that is they didn't have more of a hand in it)....I think their faith at this time should be asking forgiveness of God, not looking to possibly question him if Maddie isn't returned safely to them.....

These two really seem adept at passing the buck, from expecting God to babysit their precious child whilst they go out and party to the public fund/goodwill gestures financing them in their jaunt in finding her-I haven't seen any evidence of them dipping into their pockets once....

Throughout this I have truly questioned my mind and negative feelings towards them because I feel strongly that these two have something big to hide, I do my best not to create any bad Karma in my life, but my sub-concious is telling me something just isn't right here.

 

[englishleigh]

<<These two really seem adept at passing the buck, from expecting God to babysit their precious child whilst they go out and party to the public fund/goodwill gestures financing them in their jaunt in finding her-I haven't seen any evidence of them dipping into their pockets once....>>

What exactly did they do on their jaunt across Europe to find Maddie? Are they back in Portugal now with their remaining children (who, if I were them, wouldn't have been let out of my sight if a stranger had taken one of my kids and knew what the other two looked like)? I know they saw the Pope in Rome; I know they went to Spain. What did they do in Spain...any "turning over of stones"? Sorry to be sarcastic, but these people really do bother me. Are they paying for their extended resort stay in Portugal or are they using donations?

 

[CarpeDiem]

Moongoddess, great post and thoughts, you echo how I have come to feel. On the one hand, they are at a war with God, do this or I'll never believe in you. I don't know what that says. And after meeting the Pope. You'd think they would never have a doubt again. It is a normal reaction though I guess.

I keep hoping the Portugeese police are accumulating a very strong case and there will be a major breakthrough. Maybe they didn't go out to that site from the letter with big force this week because they know so much more than us. I kind of doubt it though. It seems Maddie's case couldn't have happened at a worst time, the police force is in upheavel and another missing child and parents to deal with is the last thing they wanted or needed.

 

[SieSie]

This is the one thing that has bothered me as well. If I discovered my child missing, I'd for sure wouldn't say "They've taken her", I'd be yelling
"She's gone, I can't find her, she's disappeared"

That's a big one to get around, isn't it? You'd think most people would say "Someone took her" or "She's gone", but definitely not "They took her". She had to have somebody in mind when saying "They", don't you think??? :waitasec:

I'm curious if we know for sure that after Kate saw that Maddie was missing from the bed, she just ran back to the restaurant without taking the twins with her? To me, that's even more unnerving than wording that "they took her". How could you leave your two other children alone RIGHT AFTER "they" took your other child?! Couple that with the wording and it definitely makes the hinky meter go off!!

 

[englishleigh]

I'm curious if we know for sure that after Kate saw that Maddie was missing from the bed, she just ran back to the restaurant without taking the twins with her? To me, that's even more unnerving than wording that "they took her". How could you leave your two other children alone RIGHT AFTER "they" took your other child?! Couple that with the wording and it definitely makes the hinky meter go off!!

Mine, too. And also, how could you leave your remaining children in PORTUGAL at the resort where the first child was snatched, even with well-meaning and loving relatives, while you fly off on a multi-country "search"? Those twins would have been with me at all times and I also think that by now, I would be thinking of getting back some normality into Amelie and Sean's lives, and would be planning a return to England and home. Their being in Portugal isn't doing any good b/c I don't see them being very aggressive with the authorities there about the search for Maddie.

 

[MoonGoddess]

<<These two really seem adept at passing the buck, from expecting God to babysit their precious child whilst they go out and party to the public fund/goodwill gestures financing them in their jaunt in finding her-I haven't seen any evidence of them dipping into their pockets once....>>

What exactly did they do on their jaunt across Europe to find Maddie? Are they back in Portugal now with their remaining children (who, if I were them, wouldn't have been let out of my sight if a stranger had taken one of my kids and knew what the other two looked like)? I know they saw the Pope in Rome; I know they went to Spain. What did they do in Spain...any "turning over of stones"? Sorry to be sarcastic, but these people really do bother me. Are they paying for their extended resort stay in Portugal or are they using donations?

The 'fund' was set up amongst other things 'to keep the family in Portugal whilst they continue their search....' it was all posted on the official website-what the fund was for, but interestingly it has been removed....the fund and how it was set up caused a lot of 'debate' on all the forums, I do beleive their PR machine is keeping a close eye on public opinion. Phillip Green-owner of Topshop (thinking you are in the UK also?) has given them free use of his private jet...the same Phillip Green who uses Kate Moss to promote his outlet - now theres a shining example of a responsible mother....scuse my sarcasm also.

Honestly from what I've seen they haven't openly taken any responsibilty in any area in all of this, interestingly, in the article posted earlier re 'the religious discussion' it states the mother is an only child and he is the youngest of five - perhaps they're just spoilt and used to getting their own way? who knows.....

 

[englishleigh]

The 'fund' was set up amongst other things 'to keep the family in Portugal whilst they continue their search....' it was all posted on the official website-what the fund was for, but interestingly it has been removed....the fund and how it was set up caused a lot of 'debate' on all the forums, I do beleive their PR machine is keeping a close eye on public opinion. Phillip Green-owner of Topshop (thinking you are in the UK also?) has given them free use of his private jet...the same Phillip Green who uses Kate Moss to promote his outlet - now theres a shining example of a responsible mother....scuse my sarcasm also.

Honestly from what I've seen they haven't openly taken any responsibilty in any area in all of this, interestingly, in the article posted earlier re 'the religious discussion' it states the mother is an only child and he is the youngest of five - perhaps they're just spoilt and used to getting their own way? who knows.....

I am not in the UK, just a lover of all things English.

I think it's possible you are right...they are both in a familial position to be "spoiled"....as well as both being doctors, they are likely used to privilege and the "easy life" and this is one huge bump in the smooth fabric of their existences...they likely are also a little narcissistic and believed that nothing bad was ever to happen to them, even while leaving their kids all alone while they partied, and now that it did, everything should have been "fixed" by now.

And that comment about not being aware of the scope of how many missing kids there are in the world?? Hello?? Do they ever stop focusing on themselves for one minute and watch the news or pay attention to anything else in life?

 

[MoonGoddess]

Moongoddess, great post and thoughts, you echo how I have come to feel. On the one hand, they are at a war with God, do this or I'll never believe in you. I don't know what that says. And after meeting the Pope. You'd think they would never have a doubt again. It is a normal reaction though I guess.

I keep hoping the Portugeese police are accumulating a very strong case and there will be a major breakthrough. Maybe they didn't go out to that site from the letter with big force this week because they know so much more than us. I kind of doubt it though. It seems Maddie's case couldn't have happened at a worst time, the police force is in upheavel and another missing child and parents to deal with is the last thing they wanted or needed.

"the Holy Spirit moves in mysterious ways"...........

interstingly:-


http://www.behindthename.com/php/vie...name=madeleine

MADELEINE
Gender: Feminine
Usage: French, English
Pronounced: ma-de-LEN (French), MAD-e-lin (English), MAD-lin (English), MAD-e-lien (English), MAD-lien (English) [key]

French form of MAGDALENE, commonly used in the English-speaking world.

 

[CarpeDiem]

<<These two really seem adept at passing the buck, from expecting God to babysit their precious child whilst they go out and party to the public fund/goodwill gestures financing them in their jaunt in finding her-I haven't seen any evidence of them dipping into their pockets once....>>

What exactly did they do on their jaunt across Europe to find Maddie? Are they back in Portugal now with their remaining children (who, if I were them, wouldn't have been let out of my sight if a stranger had taken one of my kids and knew what the other two looked like)? I know they saw the Pope in Rome; I know they went to Spain. What did they do in Spain...any "turning over of stones"? Sorry to be sarcastic, but these people really do bother me. Are they paying for their extended resort stay in Portugal or are they using donations?

I would hope someone such as John Walsh or Marc Klass or Tim Miller would offer or send the McCanns thoughts on what they should be doing that will work.

 

[SieSie]

And that comment about not being aware of the scope of how many missing kids there are in the world?? Hello?? Do they ever stop focusing on themselves for one minute and watch the news or pay attention to anything else in life?

Unfortunately, I don't think a lot of people are aware of just how many missing people there are. Because we belong to this website, we are aware of the horrendous things that people can do to other people, but a lot of these cases don't make it to local news if it's not "local" for that area, so it doesn't seem like as big a deal to others, I think. JMO.

I know I'm WAY more aware of how many sick and evil people there are in our world since joining WS. Sometimes I think it was better when I kept my "head in the sand" about these things. I still can't read a lot of the articles in the Crimes in the News forum because too much of the violent & disgusting things that are done is just too much for me to handle and I can only take small doses of that kind of reality in our world.

Actually, I was wondering the other day if there's an estimated number of how many people go missing EACH DAY in America, or worldwide - does anyone know?

 

[SieSie]

I just paid for a 3 month subscription to LHJ.com's virtual makeover and decided to do some more examples of what Maddie could look like with a different hairstyle and color, etc...

 

[colomom]

Actually, I was wondering the other day if there's an estimated number of how many people go missing EACH DAY in America, or worldwide - does anyone know?

Hi SieSie:

I found this info:

From: http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Missing-people

"Over 100,000 people dissappear per year in the U.S.. A person must be missing seven years or more to be classified as a Missing Person. Over a million people are reported missing each year, but roughly 90&#37; of them are found. The remaining are labelled 'missing'. President George W. Bush has called for increased law enforcement in the area of missing people."

And also:

From: http://missingchildprevention.wordpress.com/

Missing Children Statistics

&#8220;&#8230;A child goes missing every 40 seconds in the U.S, over 2,100 per day

In excess of 800,000 children are reported missing each year

Another 500,000 go missing without ever being reported&#8230;&#8221;
The National Center for Missing and Exploited Children (NCMEC)

Ugh, depressing....

 

[Jeana (DP)]

I would hope someone such as John Walsh or Marc Klass or Tim Miller would offer or send the McCanns thoughts on what they should be doing that will work.

There's nothing that the parents can do now. Their little girl needed them BEFORE. When she was alone in a strange hotel room. Moreover, their remarks that they had no idea of the "scale" of the "problem" to do with missing children absolutely astonishes me. How could ANYONE who owns a television and a radio NOT KNOW that children are disappearing at alarming rates????? How could ANYONE not know that its the parents' responsibility to make sure that children are supervised? It doesn't take a brain surgeon to know that you don't leave little children unattended. At this point in time, I would think that parenting classes, lectures about the missing children problems and a hell of a lot of prayer are just about all these "parents" can do at this point.

 

[Jeana (DP)]

Hi SieSie:

I found this info:

From: http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Missing-people

"Over 100,000 people dissappear per year in the U.S.. A person must be missing seven years or more to be classified as a Missing Person. Over a million people are reported missing each year, but roughly 90% of them are found. The remaining are labelled 'missing'. President George W. Bush has called for increased law enforcement in the area of missing people."

Ugh, depressing....

I think that a person can be declared "missing" before the seven-year mark, according to law enforcement. They can actually be declared "dead" after seven years. The truth of the matter is, however, that adults are allowed to disappear if they want to. If a court can be convinced, after seven years, that the person hasn't been seen, the court can have them declared legally dead.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

That's a big one to get around, isn't it? You'd think most people would say "Someone took her" or "She's gone", but definitely not "They took her". She had to have somebody in mind when saying "They", don't you think??? :waitasec:

I'm curious if we know for sure that after Kate saw that Maddie was missing from the bed, she just ran back to the restaurant without taking the twins with her? To me, that's even more unnerving than wording that "they took her". How could you leave your two other children alone RIGHT AFTER "they" took your other child?! Couple that with the wording and it definitely makes the hinky meter go off!!

Hmmmmm...I never thought about that. Did she leave the twins alone to go back to the restaurant to tell hubby?! Interesting point!