Madeleine McCann 3 year old missing in Portugal - Part 4

[colomom]

The McCanns simply refuse to believe the obvious...that she was in the hands of a sexual predator and is likely dead.

Proof of death in this case would be a blessing (as opposed to her being passed from perv to perv).

They seem to be clinging to the idea that she is with a new family, but that is the least likely scenario. Madeleine would have been the least desirable target of an adoption ring being the oldest of the group and the most likely to remember her birth family.

I completely agree with each statement.

The statistics in this country on abducted children are:
74% were dead within the first 4 hours
91% were dead within the first 24 hour

I don't think it would be much different in other countries.

Pretty strong argument for a LoJack for kids. How do you all feel about GPS implants (for children and at risk adults)?

 

[colomom]

I think that a person can be declared "missing" before the seven-year mark, according to law enforcement. They can actually be declared "dead" after seven years. The truth of the matter is, however, that adults are allowed to disappear if they want to. If a court can be convinced, after seven years, that the person hasn't been seen, the court can have them declared legally dead.

Yes, that 7 year reference was confusing to me too. I was shocked by the statistic: "Over a million people are reported missing each year' and that is in America alone. The worldwide number must be huge!

 

[SieSie]

From: http://missingchildprevention.wordpress.com/

Missing Children Statistics

“…A child goes missing every 40 seconds in the U.S, over 2,100 per day

In excess of 800,000 children are reported missing each year

Another 500,000 go missing without ever being reported…”

Hi colomom, thanks for the information and links! What a staggering number, it's just shocking to me that that many people can just "disappear". Scary and very sad.

 

[Thrs0806]

I'm curious if we know for sure that after Kate saw that Maddie was missing from the bed, she just ran back to the restaurant without taking the twins with her? To me, that's even more unnerving than wording that "they took her". How could you leave your two other children alone RIGHT AFTER "they" took your other child?! Couple that with the wording and it definitely makes the hinky meter go off!!

Thanks for the welcome...I'm new to Websleuths but not to crime sleuthing...I've had this crime sleuthing "bug" since Jon Benet. I've lurked around here for some time but this case has brought me out of the woodwork .

I think that is a big clue also...After she found Maddie missing did she take the twins with her??? I don't think anyone would do that in that situation, How did she know "they" weren't still around?? I don't buy that she thought the Hotel staff took Maddie either...they would have took all 3 children in that case. If she did leave the twins to go back to the bar, she knew that there was no danger to them because she knew what had happened to Madeleine.

I've tried to give these parents the benefit of the doubt but everyday it just getting stranger and stranger. At this point in every missing person case the police activity dies down without new leads coming in. But we all have seen time and time again that the family step in and hires PI's, search teams, and anything they can think of to find their child. Not many families, at least that I've seen, plan photo ops with the rest of the children showing them all having fun at a park, like nothing ever happened!!!

 

[MoonGoddess]

Thanks for the welcome...I'm new to Websleuths but not to crime sleuthing...I've had this crime sleuthing "bug" since Jon Benet. I've lurked around here for some time but this case has brought me out of the woodwork .

I think that is a big clue also...After she found Maddie missing did she take the twins with her??? I don't think anyone would do that in that situation, How did she know "they" weren't still around?? I don't buy that she thought the Hotel staff took Maddie either...they would have took all 3 children in that case. If she did leave the twins to go back to the bar, she knew that there was no danger to them because she knew what had happened to Madeleine.

I've tried to give these parents the benefit of the doubt but everyday it just getting stranger and stranger. At this point in every missing person case the police activity dies down without new leads coming in. But we all have seen time and time again that the family step in and hires PI's, search teams, and anything they can think of to find their child. Not many families, at least that I've seen, plan photo ops with the rest of the children showing them all having fun at a park, like nothing ever happened!!!

I think thats a big clue also.......I know we all act differenly in a crisis, but yes why did she leave the twins possibly exposed? I would have thrown one of the twins under each arm and ran....if not, seeing as in their account they were within eye sight of the Tapas, why not stand at the balcony and scream..."Gerrrryyyyy............"

I really would dearly like to know exactly what time someone saw Maddie alive apart from the parents, isn't it usual on vacation say for all the families to have gone back to their own apartments say around 5 or 6 to get the kids bathed and ready for bed, then get themselves ready.....before all adults meeting up again later...?

I do hope the Police are looking into their timeline of events. I feel as someone else has stated, maybe the police do know more than we and thats why they're not following up leads that they may know will take them nowhere....

Welcome Thrs0806.

 

[englishleigh]

There's nothing that the parents can do now. Their little girl needed them BEFORE. When she was alone in a strange hotel room. Moreover, their remarks that they had no idea of the "scale" of the "problem" to do with missing children absolutely astonishes me. How could ANYONE who owns a television and a radio NOT KNOW that children are disappearing at alarming rates????? How could ANYONE not know that its the parents' responsibility to make sure that children are supervised? It doesn't take a brain surgeon to know that you don't leave little children unattended. At this point in time, I would think that parenting classes, lectures about the missing children problems and a hell of a lot of prayer are just about all these "parents" can do at this point.

:clap::clap::clap:

 

[SeriouslySearching]

My first thought would be to protect the other two children. My second thought would be to call the police either 911 (which I guess Portugal doesn't have) or dial the hotel operator to call the police. The next thing I would do is to CALL my husband. (I KNOW one of their group had a working cell phone!!) I would NOT have left my room until my husband or someone else arrived to allow me to leave my twins. Period!

Yes...that is very odd behavior on the mother's part!

 

[CaliKid]

I might be wrong, but I could've sworn that early in May we were told that all of the children of the group were left sleeping in the same room while their parents ate. This was so the person checking on the kids only had to go into one apartment instead of four. Does anyone remember this?

 

[JanetElaine]

My first thought would be to protect the other two children. My second thought would be to call the police either 911 (which I guess Portugal doesn't have) or dial the hotel operator to call the police. The next thing I would do is to CALL my husband. (I KNOW one of their group had a working cell phone!!) I would NOT have left my room until my husband or someone else arrived to allow me to leave my twins. Period!

Yes...that is very odd behavior on the mother's part!

The entire European Union (of which Portugal is a member) has the same emergency phone number, 112. This also includes the UK, so it's not like the McCann's didn't know this.

See also http://ec.europa.eu/environment/civil/prote/112/112_en.htm

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Then see how this behavior doesn't make any sense?! Particularly knowing they are Doctors and would have full knowledge of calling 211!! You guys are right...it is not adding up.

 

[colomom]

Have you all seen this psychic's website?

http://www.🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬.com/dd/5441.htm

Thoughts?

 

[MoonGoddess]

Have you all seen this psychic's website?

http://www.🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬.com/dd/5441.htm

Thoughts?

I have seen it and seen different opinions on him on various forums, some are speculating that he amends the date of the 'visions' after gleening information released in the press.

Madeleines' Aunty Phil isn't too impressed:-


http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/ne...cle2607184.ece

Philomena McCann said the rough sketches, which were drawn by a former American soldier who claims he is able to draw predictions from his dreams, had been investigated by the authorities.

"Those drawings have been checked out," she said. "It's nonsense, there's nothing in it. We must have had hundreds of things like that sent to us. We have been contacted by thousands of mediums from all over the world who claim to know something. There's nothing in it."

Charming!! when all these people are doing is trying to help them in their plight.

P.S.......on above link:-

But there is one message from a Phil McCann which says: "Dear Brian, many (sic) people have been referring me to your website. It does seem interesting. phil mccann (sic)."

When asked if she was the writer, Ms McCann only said the website had been checked out and there was "nothing in it".


seems that 'contradiction' runs in the family!

 

[colomom]

http://madeleinemccann.blogspot.com/2007/06/kate-mccann-may-quit-as-gp-to-fight.html

The mother of Madeleine McCann may give up her job as a doctor to campaign against child trafficking and raise awareness about missing children.

I don't know what to say....

 

[Shazza]

http://madeleinemccann.blogspot.com/2007/06/kate-mccann-may-quit-as-gp-to-fight.html

The mother of Madeleine McCann may give up her job as a doctor to campaign against child trafficking and raise awareness about missing children.

I don't know what to say....

There is nothing to say colomom, I have never heard anything so ridiculous.
This case is a total mystery.

 

[Laurajean]

to quit her job as a doctor so she can be jailed for child neglect and endangerment.

I still believe that Madeleine wandered out of the apartment looking for her parents and ended up in the ocean. If she were taken by someone, I believe she would have been taken from somewhere out of/not in the apartment....Again, I think she wandered out first, and then was taken or drowned in the ocean.

It makes absolutely no sense IMO that someone would have come in there and just kidnapped Madeleine, and that the twins would have slept through all of this.

I think these children were left alone every night, the kids cried for their parents, and that while the babies finally fell asleep. Madeleine left and went out to look for her parents...

As I have said before, if these people were in a different socioeconomic group, they would be in jail right now, and the twins would be in foster care.

 

[Shazza]

to quit her job as a doctor so she can be jailed for child neglect and endangerment.

I still believe that Madeleine wandered out of the apartment looking for her parents and ended up in the ocean. If she were taken by someone, I believe she would have been taken from somewhere out of/not in the apartment....Again, I think she wandered out first, and then was taken or drowned in the ocean.

It makes absolutely no sense IMO that someone would have come in there and just kidnapped Madeleine, and that the twins would have slept through all of this.

I think these children were left alone every night, the kids cried for their parents, and that while the babies finally fell asleep. Madeleine left and went out to look for her parents...

As I have said before, if these people were in a different socioeconomic group, they would be in jail right now, and the twins would be in foster care.

That is what would have happened here in Australia too, the parents charged with child endangerment, and docs would have put the twins in foster care. I dont think this will happen to the McCanns.

 

[CaliKid]

There is nothing to say colomom, I have never heard anything so ridiculous.
This case is a total mystery.

:clap: :clap: :clap:

to quit her job as a doctor so she can be jailed for child neglect and endangerment.

This sounds like another suggestion by the PR team to rehabilitate the McCanns' image.

 

[Salem]

http://madeleinemccann.blogspot.com/2007/06/kate-mccann-may-quit-as-gp-to-fight.html

The mother of Madeleine McCann may give up her job as a doctor to campaign against child trafficking and raise awareness about missing children.

I don't know what to say....

First - colomom, I love your little smiley guy

Okay - now I do want to say....... if it is proven that the only bad thing the McCanns did was to leave their children alone (which is really, really bad) then I would support Ms. McCann's campaign. Here's why...... I believe that something good should come from all bad, and yes, I know how impossible that sounds sometimes. But, if Ms. McCann can bring about some awareness, get the attention of some of our political leaders, and spend all that money that has been contributed to influence how missing children cases are handled, across Europe, then Maddie's disappearance would not be in vain.

I believe that, with all the guilt she will need to hide from, she could turn out to be a tireless and very vocal leader in such a campaign. And she has already shown that she can get the attention of the Pope, along with several political leaders across Europe.

Personally, I would rather they find Maddie, but I am not holding out much hope. And if Maddie is not to be found, I can't think of a better way for the McCanns to spend the rest of their days, then by bringing attention to the plight of missing and abducted childen. Maybe getting a few laws changed, making the world understand that we are tired of seeing our children abducted, used and abused.

It is time for an International shakeup in the pedophile circles, in LE circles and in political circles.

Salem

 

[Salem]

Have you all seen this psychic's website?

http://www.🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬.com/dd/5441.htm

Thoughts?

I just spent sometime reading through his website regarding Madeleine. I find it very interesting that apparently the family "asked" him to stop working on the case:silenced:

Given that the family never asked him to start working on the case, I'm not sure where they get the nerve to ask him to stop.

In addition, I agree with him that they will find Maddie very close to where she was taken. He also says the Portugese police know what happened to Maddie and are not to be trusted. I agree with this 100%. The PP's actions in this case have left a lot to be desired. Their refusal to search the site last week until they received a bunch of negative press was very telling.

And the parent's refusal to hire a private investigator is also very telling in my opinion.

There was another psychic quoted that said he believes Kate McCann was withholding information. In my opinion, all you have to do is watch the interviews over the last month and you can tell that she is withholding some type of information. Her body language gives her away and when ever she thinks she might say the wrong thing she turns to her husband so he will take over. Very interesting.

In the early interviews, KM does most of the talking. Then they have the British interview where it looked like there was an argument between KM and GM before they started taping. GM takes the lead in that interview and continues to take the lead for the next several appearances. Now, however, it appears that KM is beginning to do the majority of the talking, but when she stumbles, she turns to GM to take over.

Curiouser and curiouser........

Salem

 

[Shazza]

First - colomom, I love your little smiley guy

Okay - now I do want to say....... if it is proven that the only bad thing the McCanns did was to leave their children alone (which is really, really bad) then I would support Ms. McCann's campaign. Here's why...... I believe that something good should come from all bad, and yes, I know how impossible that sounds sometimes. But, if Ms. McCann can bring about some awareness, get the attention of some of our political leaders, and spend all that money that has been contributed to influence how missing children cases are handled, across Europe, then Maddie's disappearance would not be in vain.

I believe that, with all the guilt she will need to hide from, she could turn out to be a tireless and very vocal leader in such a campaign. And she has already shown that she can get the attention of the Pope, along with several political leaders across Europe.

Personally, I would rather they find Maddie, but I am not holding out much hope. And if Maddie is not to be found, I can't think of a better way for the McCanns to spend the rest of their days, then by bringing attention to the plight of missing and abducted childen. Maybe getting a few laws changed, making the world understand that we are tired of seeing our children abducted, used and abused.

It is time for an International shakeup in the pedophile circles, in LE circles and in political circles.

Salem

I dont think she would get very far if she became a campaigner for missing children, everyone knows that she left her children unattended and her curious behaviour as if she is hiding or not telling the truth. I would call her a hypocrit, as she is campaigning for the safety of children but did not keep her own children safe, the parents should be punished for what they did but instead they are getting plenty of media attention to detract us from the truth.