Madeleine McCann 3 year old missing in Portugal - Part 7

[CaliKid]

Yes, some of the other forums seem to be humming with news this morning, but these are the only things I can find:

http://www.nationalledger.com/artman/publish/article_272614750.shtml
Madeleine McCann Suspect Robert Murat: No Sympathy for Parents!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/07/16/nmaddy116.xml
Kate McCann returns home for christening

http://www.anorak.co.uk/twitterings/175228.html
It's titled, Madeleine McCann: A Lead? but it isn't really anything new except a name for the man who that Toscano guy has been calling the head of a large pedophile syndicate in France.

http://www.anorak.co.uk/twitterings/175168.html#comment-17625
More questions about leaving the children alone at the resort, titled Madeleine McCann: Is This Relevant?

 

[CaliKid]

This is the full story about the man who Paulo in PDL says is the so-called Frenchman who kidnapped Madeleine. He has been reporting on a blog called Gazeta Digital since early in the case, but I don't think the P-LE believe him.
http://gazetadigitalmadeleineandthemedia.blogspot.com/2007/07/el-mundo-july-12-2007-toscano-and.html

 

[CaliKid]

Does anyone remember the story last month about the P-LE officer who beat a woman and tortured her into a confession of murdering her daughter? This is a link that explains more about it.
http://gazetadigitalmadeleinecase.blogspot.com/2007/07/truth-about-leonor-cipriano-mother-of.html

 

[RoughlyCollie]

It's another tempest in a teapot over there, I think. I hope I rue these words, but many people over there get excited when they read the posts of anonymous people on blogs like SOSMadeleine. They immediately jump to the conclusion that something must be happening -- that M has been found.

http://sosmaddie.dhblogs.be/

Translated page: http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=fr&u=http://sosmaddie.blogspot.com/&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=1&ct=result&prev=/search%3Fq%3DSOS%2BMaddie%26hl%3Den%26rlz%3D1T4GGLR_enGB222GB224


ETA better link at which you can read translated comments. A Mr Levy's comments are the ones that everyone's attention.

http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http://sosmaddie.dhblogs.be/&langpair=fr|en&hl=en&ie=UTF8

Big news over on the Madeleine board I check out. They are all excited because someone who is posting in French is making statements that when translated, sound like Madeleine may have been found. I would be SO happy, but we have had our hopes up before. I have to leave, but wouldn't it be great when I return if we could discuss where she had been?

 

[CaliKid]

There was a press conference that was supposed to happen 7-8 hours ago and everyone thought they were going to announce that Madeleine had been found. But I guess it was postponed or non-imporant.

BTW, in answer to the Nanny question, there is a possibility that it was an elderly woman in their village who occasionally babysat the children. But not technically a nanny in the proper term.

 

[Shazza]

I got a little excited when I first saw the posts that they may have found Madelaine, again let down. Please let Madelaine be safe God.

 

[CaliKid]

Good morning, Shazza. At least it is in your part of the world.

Okay, I’ve been on the boards all day and this is what’s been going on. Several things actually:

1) Someone named Jennifer saw a little girl in a French post office with a man. She was English, and he addressed her as “Maddie”. Either her hands or the handles of her suitcase were damaged. This was back on June 19, and it seems that the news is only now coming out. Jennifer supposedly didn’t make the connection immediately, and instead of reporting it to LE, reported to a newspaper. It is being investigated, but in the meantime any CCTV pictures have been erased.

2) Someone named Levy posted a comment on the SOSMadeleine site (http://sosmaddie.dhblogs.be/archive/2007/07/15/les-mccann-de-retour-au-portugal.html#comments) announced that there was a new development with “the best news”, and everyone took it to mean she’s been located. It turned out to be nothing.

3) The newest SOL report is out, dated July 13. It is hard-copy, not online. If you wish to look at it, you can find it at Aussie Mike’s blog- http://ionglobaltrends.blogspot.com/2007/07/time-off.html. It’s near the bottom of the 39 comments and very long. But it talks about how R Murat is apparently being blamed for Madeleine's disappearance and made a scapegoat of the McCann friends.

 

[Shazza]

Good Morning CaliKid, wish there was some good news, Im so sick of the doom and gloom, no new news about Madelaine, we hear about some new person who might know something we havent heard already, but it turns up as a dead end.

 

[Reannan]

Dang it! I got all excited this morning.....because everyone else who has essentially dedicated their lives to this case were excited. I had a very long day of errands, and I was constantly looking for news sources while away from the computer. I get back to find out that nothing has changed. Oh well....I will keep praying and waiting. Thanks CaliKid for keeping us up to date. I spent a bit of time looking back over what has been said by whom, and the whole thing just doesn't make any sense. Someone is lying, and it appears to be associated with the McCann friends. Why would they lie about having seen Murat, and about their taking turns to go and check on the kids? There are so many holes in this story, it is like a piece of swiss cheese. Who is the woman that was the 9th person at dinner that night? Why do we know the names of everyone except this one single female? I have to go ponder those questions myself. They keep running around in my head, but I haven't focused in on any of the answers yet. :waitasec:

 

[CaliKid]

Reannan, whether Madeleine was kidnapped, wandered away from her room or was killed by the McCanns or their friends, the name of the game here is deflecting blame. I'm not in the position to totally discount Murat as the perp, but the more I learn, the more I think he's just a convenient patsy in the wrong place at the wrong time. For instance, in the latest SOL report I found out that the McCann friends didn't even mention someone hanging around the apartments until after RM came to the attention of the P-LE, and then they were quick to point fingers and say they saw him the night Madeleine disappeared. It's the same thing with the mysterious stranger Jane Tanner saw carrying a child. The McCanns want this to be an abduction, and by G*d, they're going to make sure it looks like one.

I have no idea the identity of the 9th person. Some are speculating that a single woman friend came over from the UK, but others think it was the woman employed by the resort who was handling the Tapas quiz.

 

[Reannan]

CaliKid, you are obviously on top of this case, so let me ask you this. From the "official" reports from the McCann party, Gerry started checking on the kids around 9:05, and then shortly thereafter, perhaps around 9:10 or so, Jane left the dinner table to check on the kids....and she encountered the mysterious stranger carrying a child. Next came Russel O'Brien???? not sure about that one, but I know it was one of the guys. The next person to check, was Kate at 10:00 when she discovered Madeleine missing. Now, are we to believe that all of a sudden, Gerry, Jane, and Russell (or whoever) decided to get up from a fun dinner party and go check on the McCann kids....only to overlook an intruder, or the already missing Madeleine? My hinky meter goes into orbit at the idea of a dinner party of 9 people sending all these people to check on kids and no one running into the abductor. So what gives? Someone, is lying.

 

[Reannan]

Now, I go back to one of the hardest questions.....WHY would they lie?

1. They are all mistaken and it isn't a lie? Thought: That many people all mistaken about a night that changed their lives forever? No....

2. They lie because they have something to hide. Thought: What are they hiding? I can't believe that many people would be successful over this length of time in covering up the wrong doings of one of the others. Unless, of course, they would all have someone been implicated - but by what? (dang! more questions!!!)

3. Only a few of them are lying, and the others are as stumped as we are. Thought: I could see Jane covering for her husband Russell, more so than any other mixture....but again....why?

 

[Shazza]

CaliKid, you are obviously on top of this case, so let me ask you this. From the "official" reports from the McCann party, Gerry started checking on the kids around 9:05, and then shortly thereafter, perhaps around 9:10 or so, Jane left the dinner table to check on the kids....and she encountered the mysterious stranger carrying a child. Next came Russel O'Brien???? not sure about that one, but I know it was one of the guys. The next person to check, was Kate at 10:00 when she discovered Madeleine missing. Now, are we to believe that all of a sudden, Gerry, Jane, and Russell (or whoever) decided to get up from a fun dinner party and go check on the McCann kids....only to overlook an intruder, or the already missing Madeleine? My hinky meter goes into orbit at the idea of a dinner party of 9 people sending all these people to check on kids and no one running into the abductor. So what gives? Someone, is lying.

I have read somewhere in this thread, that no one left the restaurant to check on on the children, employees at the restaurant, said that noone left the table as stated by the McCann party. So what gives here.

 

[Reannan]

That last posting wasn't very well stated. I am exhausted, and have to get some sleep, but in a nutshell, I don't believe the stories out of the McCann friends, but I am not totally convinced the McCann's are quilty of anything other than stupidity and terribly bad parental judgement. I can see one of their friends being involved in sordid behavior that led to Madeleine's disappearance, and the McCann's not being able to see the truth because it is their friends. Am I saying their friends harmed Madeleine? No......but perhaps they unintentionally opened doors to bad people and Madeleine was in the wrong place at the wrong time. The facts indicate that some of the McCann party were missing on the fateful night, and on a few nights prior to that horrible night.... where were they, and what were they doing? Good night everyone. Hope for a better tomorrow.

 

[CaliKid]

I think this is what has P-LE so confused. According to the SOL report:

a) At 9:05 Gerry McCann got up to check on the children. He noticed that the bedroom door to the children's bedroom was open but nothing else out of the ordinary. He also encountered Jeremy Wilkins, the man out walking with his 8 month old baby and stopped to talk.

b) Next it was Jane Tanner's turn, and this is when she supposedly saw the mysterious stranger carrying the child. But this is in direct contrast to her first statement when she claimed that she was late to dinner and left the apartments at 9:30 to go eat.

c) Mathew Oldfield checked next, and SOL says he said he actually saw the children sleeping. So it is impossible for JT to have seen someone carrying Madeleine ten minutes before.

d) At 10:00 Kate McCann goes to the apartment and finds Madeleine missing.

e) Restaurant employees claim the McCann party arrived at the Tapas around 8:30 and nobody left the table except KM.

f) Guests and employees began searching for Madeleine at 10:00. The McCann party immediately went to the apartment and searched it thoroughly, destroying any evidence of an abduction in the process. People from around the resort joined in the search. The local police were called in at 11:00 and the JP an hour later.

 

[CaliKid]

I think the McCann friends are lying because if it can be proven that Madeleine was kidnapped, they mistakenly believe it takes the weight of their neglect off their shoulders.

 

[Shazza]

I think the McCann friends are lying because if it can be proven that Madeleine was kidnapped, they mistakenly believe it takes the weight of their neglect off their shoulders.

I agree, they are trying to cover their own harse, the puzzle doesnt fit together, and I would think they are getting pretty nervous. I just hope the LE find out the truth and can see through the lies.

 

[Salem]

I think this is what has P-LE so confused. According to the SOL report:

a) At 9:05 Gerry McCann got up to check on the children. He noticed that the bedroom door to the children's bedroom was open but nothing else out of the ordinary. He also encountered Jeremy Wilkins, the man out walking with his 8 month old baby and stopped to talk. Here the article says that JWilkins saw Gerry coming out the back door - now which door is that? Is it the one that leads to the car parking area? It doesn't sound like it is the patio doors?

b) Next it was Jane Tanner's turn, and this is when she supposedly saw the mysterious stranger carrying the child. But this is in direct contrast to her first statement when she claimed that she was late to dinner and left the apartments at 9:30 to go eat. This is definitely a confusing one... which way was she coming from? The restuarant towards the apts or the apts towards the restuarant?

c) Mathew Oldfield checked next, and SOL says he said he actually saw the children sleeping. So it is impossible for JT to have seen someone carrying Madeleine ten minutes before. So again.... GM checks at 9:05; JT checks at 9:20ish; MO checks at 9:30 and then KM at 10:00? This is an awful lot of running back and forth for folks eating and drinking..... Seems JWilkins would have seen MO also.....

If you time this out - it probably takes 3 minutes to walk from the bar to the McCann's apartment (and supposedly each person was checking all the apartments, right, so that 3 apartments total)

Okay - GM leaves bar at 9:05, arrives at his apt at 9:08, opens door, listens in and moves to next apt. Arrives at 2nd apt at 9:09, opens door, listens in and moves to next apt. Arrives at 3rd apt at 9:10, opens door, listens in and moves back towards rest at 9:11, arriving at rest. at 9:14ish. Given that he took time to notice that the bedroom door was open to the McCann kids' room, maybe he spent an extra minute there? But total circuit takes approx 10 min.

So back at rest. at 9:15. Jane heads out at 9:20ish back by 9:30. Matthew heads out at 9:40ish, back by 9:50ish and Kate goes at 10:00. Is this even believable? Every time someone came back to the table, someone else left?

d) At 10:00 Kate McCann goes to the apartment and finds Madeleine missing.

e) Restaurant employees claim the McCann party arrived at the Tapas around 8:30 and nobody left the table except KM.

f) Guests and employees began searching for Madeleine at 10:00. The McCann party immediately went to the apartment and searched it thoroughly, destroying any evidence of an abduction in the process. People from around the resort joined in the search. The local police were called in at 11:00 and the JP an hour later.

If JWilkins was out walking his child, I am sure he would have seen all this activity. Also, if GM went out the back door by the parking area, where exactly did JWilkins run into him? As he was walking back around to the front of the apts on his way back to the bar? If JWilkins was in the back near the parking area, it is possibe he did not see everyone walking around in the front. But from his description, it sounds like he was in the front - so how would he know GM came out the back door?:waitasec:

Any one have JWilkins phone number? I would like to call and interview him

Okay I have to call it a night too. You guys were busy today. It takes me all evening just to catch up with everyone. I can only sneak quick peeks at the board when I am at work.... frustrating sometimes!

 

[Shazza]

If JWilkins was out walking his child, I am sure he would have seen all this activity. Also, if GM went out the back door by the parking area, where exactly did JWilkins run into him? As he was walking back around to the front of the apts on his way back to the bar? If JWilkins was in the back near the parking area, it is possibe he did not see everyone walking around in the front. But from his description, it sounds like he was in the front - so how would he know GM came out the back door?:waitasec:

Any one have JWilkins phone number? I would like to call and interview him

Okay I have to call it a night too. You guys were busy today. It takes me all evening just to catch up with everyone. I can only sneak quick peeks at the board when I am at work.... frustrating sometimes!

The time frame that the McCanns party said they checked the children is definitely out of whack, and according to the restaurant staff noone left the table, so who is lying, I know where I would put my money.

 

[CaliKid]

I've been flitting around different Madeleine boards today, and even the most die-hard McCann supporters are beginning to lose patience with this apparent pact of secrecy. It's too bad the parents and their friends are so dumb that they don't know (or don't care) that they're doing Madeleine a huge dis-service by not being straight about their movements that night. How can P-LE possibly hope to solve this case if the don't even know where the members of the McCann party really were at any given time?