This is the only article I can find on this subject. I found headlines for another article from Fox News in Tennessee, US but the story does not come up. In the headlines, it sounds like Madeleine's brother and sister went with Kate -- not Kate's brother and sister. I should have cut it - I'll go find it again.
Madeleine McCann 3 year old missing in Portugal - Part 7
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This is the only article I can find on this subject. I found headlines for another article from Fox News in Tennessee, US but the story does not come up. In the headlines, it sounds like Madeleine's brother and sister went with Kate -- not Kate's brother and sister. I should have cut it - I'll go find it again.
Where are their other two children, who are they with.
It was Kates brother and sister not her children, thats how I read it Salem.
Okay - I think I have a couple of links here. One is the story that won't come up. It is actually Fox in Washington DC:
http://www.myfoxdc.com/myfox/pages/...n=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.4.1
I hope the link works - the headline says:
MyFox Washington DC, DC - 16 hours ago
Madeleine McCann's mother Kate and her brother and sister have left Portugal and returned to the UK for a brief visit. They are joining Madeleine's father ...
Which makes me think it was the twins -- Madeleine's brother & sister?
And then a new article on the Murat questioning:
http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/13425/Maddy:-Suspect's-alibi-is-in-doubt
There was also an interesting article, kind of a timeline. What was more interesting was the bickering going on in the "post your comments."
ETA - Does everyone usually use the post link button?
http://www.myfoxdc.com/myfox/pages/...n=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.4.1
I hope the link works - the headline says:
MyFox Washington DC, DC - 16 hours ago
Madeleine McCann's mother Kate and her brother and sister have left Portugal and returned to the UK for a brief visit. They are joining Madeleine's father ...
Which makes me think it was the twins -- Madeleine's brother & sister?
And then a new article on the Murat questioning:
http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/13425/Maddy:-Suspect's-alibi-is-in-doubt
There was also an interesting article, kind of a timeline. What was more interesting was the bickering going on in the "post your comments."
ETA - Does everyone usually use the post link button?
Shazza - I agree, but then the other article headline could be read either way. I'm really surprised that they would both go to the UK and leave the twins alone in Portugal.
Which I could find something that says for sure one way or the other.....
Which I could find something that says for sure one way or the other.....
Reading your other post it does sound like the twins, it wouldnt surprise me if they left their children in Portugal, but I dont think they are that stupid are they? They would be flamed by everyone for leaving their children in a country where there other child was kidnapped. l sure hope the twins went with their mother.
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Why not? Didn't they leave them in Portugal before, when they went to Rome to see the Pope, and to Spain? :doh: :banghead: And that was a lot sooner after Madeleine was taken.
I believe family members came over from the UK when the McCanns went to the Netherlands, Spain and to see the Pope and watched Sean and Amelie. I also think family has been visiting them recently, so I'd imagine family is babysitting again.
I know englishleigh and I was amazed by that, however I can rationalize it by saying it was the first few weeks of Madeleine's being gone. Now however, almost 3 months later and KM is going "home." I would just think she would have taken the children with her if she could have. However, these parents don't do much of anything the way I would do it, so I guess I shouldn't be surprised by it.
So my question now is --- why? Why did she go back to the UK? Does she just want to be in the spotlight again? Did Gerry say he needed her there so that they continue to show a "united" front? Is something happening and they need to be in the UK before things go down....for what? protection? their lawyers? what? It can't be because LE figured out who the perp is and they are going to bust him in the UK!
And isn't it odder still that they both are in the UK when P-LE is leaking information that arrests are imminent?:doh:
One of the things that has always struck me as odd is the number of times GM said "we don't blame each other, we are in this together" or words to that effect. How many parents of missing children, say on TV, in an interview "we don't blame each other"?
Man I wish I spoke Portugese and was a fly on the wall of LE headquarters
ETA: Where do I find those SOL articles?
I wonder if the McCanns went back to the UK because of what the LE found out with their latest investigations, that they were somehow involved. So going back to UK the Portugese LE would have to extradite them. Sounds like a long shot, but you never know.I know englishleigh and I was amazed by that, however I can rationalize it by saying it was the first few weeks of Madeleine's being gone. Now however, almost 3 months later and KM is going "home." I would just think she would have taken the children with her if she could have. However, these parents don't do much of anything the way I would do it, so I guess I shouldn't be surprised by it.
So my question now is --- why? Why did she go back to the UK? Does she just want to be in the spotlight again? Did Gerry say he needed her there so that they continue to show a "united" front? Is something happening and they need to be in the UK before things go down....for what? protection? their lawyers? what? It can't be because LE figured out who the perp is and they are going to bust him in the UK!
And isn't it odder still that they both are in the UK when P-LE is leaking information that arrests are imminent?:doh:
One of the things that has always struck me as odd is the number of times GM said "we don't blame each other, we are in this together" or words to that effect. How many parents of missing children, say on TV, in an interview "we don't blame each other"?
Man I wish I spoke Portugese and was a fly on the wall of LE headquarters
ETA: Where do I find those SOL articles?
Shazza - I think that is entirely possible, but I'm wondering about the twins. If they are still in Portugal, would the McCanns fight extradition? I mean it seems pointless to me, unless it is just a delaying tactic. The McCanns know it is coming so they have gone back to get their affairs (and the fund) in order? (this is a question, not a statement)
Maybe KM just wanted a break and wanted to go home. But if that is the case, then why not take the twins? The twins would probably like to go home too.
I wish I could find a link that better describes exactly who went to the UK with KM...... also would like to see something that says McCanns are not allowed to take the twins with them. That actually seems pretty far-fetched to me. Unless you remove children from the home for neglect/unfitness, I'm not sure it would be legal to deny a parent the right to take their children with them. Now.... this is Portugal, so the laws would be different from the US. And it could be that P-LE requested they not take the children and the UK lawyers advised the McCanns not to argue about it at this point in time.......
I don't know, I'm feeling a tad frustrated about the whole thing at the moment.
Maybe KM just wanted a break and wanted to go home. But if that is the case, then why not take the twins? The twins would probably like to go home too.
I wish I could find a link that better describes exactly who went to the UK with KM...... also would like to see something that says McCanns are not allowed to take the twins with them. That actually seems pretty far-fetched to me. Unless you remove children from the home for neglect/unfitness, I'm not sure it would be legal to deny a parent the right to take their children with them. Now.... this is Portugal, so the laws would be different from the US. And it could be that P-LE requested they not take the children and the UK lawyers advised the McCanns not to argue about it at this point in time.......
I don't know, I'm feeling a tad frustrated about the whole thing at the moment.
Hi Salem:
SOL Report #1
http://www.thisisleicestershire.co.u...entPK=17781869
You are looking for the reader comments underneath, not the main article. Read the 5th from the bottom and 2nd from the top. To my knowledge, this was the first big news article in the UK to question the McCanns and what happened to Madeleine. (The newspaper type is difficult to read, but if you cut and paste into Word, it's much easier.)
SOL Report #2
http://sol.sapo.pt/PaginaInicial/Soc...ntent_id=44677
It's in Portuguese, so here is a rough translation:
From the SOL website- Policia Judiciaria is going to confront the three elements of the group that was spending holidays with Madeleine’s parents in Praia da Luz, with the statement of the person who is until now the only arguido in the process of the disappearance of the english child.
The four persons who are being inquired are going to be submitted to a confrontation, in order to clarify the truth about what happened on the night of the kidnapping, given the fact that the statements are contradictory.
Among the english that were spending their vacation with Madeleine’s parents at the Ocean Club and are going to be heard today, are the couple Russell O’Brien and Jane Tanner.
We are reminded that a SOL investigation concluded that Russell was the group’s element who was absent for the greatest amount of time, during the dinner that was held on the night Madeleine McCann disappeared.
The testimony of a resort employee confirms that a few days earlier, it was also Russell O’Brien who had been absent during the group’s dinner.
Jane Tanner is one of the key witnesses of the process, given the fact that she claims to have seen a man carrying a child, during one of her trips to the apartments to check on the children.
The english woman states she saw a man aged 35-40, with dark hair, wearing beige trousers, a dark jacket and classic black shoes, carrying a girl, who was wearing a pyjama and was barefoot.
Yet, this portrait does not fully coincide with Murat, given the fact that he never wore his hair long at the neck, which is how Jane describes the man she saw.
Although Jane describes the individual with good detail, Jeremy Wilkins – another witness who was on the street at the exact moment when Jane says she saw the suspect – guaranteed to SOL that he saw neither Jane nor any suspect, adding that if this had happened, it would have been ‘practically impossible’ not noticing the ocurrence.
Another aspect that the police will want to clarify is whether Robert Murat was at the Ocean Club on the night Maddie vanished.
The McCann’s friends confirm they saw the arguido at the resort in Praia da Luz, but staff and GNR elements deny this version.
And then there is also the Expresso/Unica article which is here:
http://ionglobaltrends.blogspot.com/2007/07/team-mccann.html
It talks about how the McCanns and their family and friends got the whole FindMadeleine ball rolling. Rather impressive.
SOL Report #1
http://www.thisisleicestershire.co.u...entPK=17781869
You are looking for the reader comments underneath, not the main article. Read the 5th from the bottom and 2nd from the top. To my knowledge, this was the first big news article in the UK to question the McCanns and what happened to Madeleine. (The newspaper type is difficult to read, but if you cut and paste into Word, it's much easier.)
SOL Report #2
http://sol.sapo.pt/PaginaInicial/Soc...ntent_id=44677
It's in Portuguese, so here is a rough translation:
From the SOL website- Policia Judiciaria is going to confront the three elements of the group that was spending holidays with Madeleine’s parents in Praia da Luz, with the statement of the person who is until now the only arguido in the process of the disappearance of the english child.
The four persons who are being inquired are going to be submitted to a confrontation, in order to clarify the truth about what happened on the night of the kidnapping, given the fact that the statements are contradictory.
Among the english that were spending their vacation with Madeleine’s parents at the Ocean Club and are going to be heard today, are the couple Russell O’Brien and Jane Tanner.
We are reminded that a SOL investigation concluded that Russell was the group’s element who was absent for the greatest amount of time, during the dinner that was held on the night Madeleine McCann disappeared.
The testimony of a resort employee confirms that a few days earlier, it was also Russell O’Brien who had been absent during the group’s dinner.
Jane Tanner is one of the key witnesses of the process, given the fact that she claims to have seen a man carrying a child, during one of her trips to the apartments to check on the children.
The english woman states she saw a man aged 35-40, with dark hair, wearing beige trousers, a dark jacket and classic black shoes, carrying a girl, who was wearing a pyjama and was barefoot.
Yet, this portrait does not fully coincide with Murat, given the fact that he never wore his hair long at the neck, which is how Jane describes the man she saw.
Although Jane describes the individual with good detail, Jeremy Wilkins – another witness who was on the street at the exact moment when Jane says she saw the suspect – guaranteed to SOL that he saw neither Jane nor any suspect, adding that if this had happened, it would have been ‘practically impossible’ not noticing the ocurrence.
Another aspect that the police will want to clarify is whether Robert Murat was at the Ocean Club on the night Maddie vanished.
The McCann’s friends confirm they saw the arguido at the resort in Praia da Luz, but staff and GNR elements deny this version.
And then there is also the Expresso/Unica article which is here:
http://ionglobaltrends.blogspot.com/2007/07/team-mccann.html
It talks about how the McCanns and their family and friends got the whole FindMadeleine ball rolling. Rather impressive.
You got that right Salem, it is so frustrating, knowing if the children went back to the UK or not is driving me nuts, as if I couldnt take my kids I wouldnt go either, but this case as been anything but normal. Lets hope we hear more about this soon.
Thanks for the welcome Calikid
Very confused here about "The Nanny" thats for sure Salem.I hope BadKat can help me become unconfused .....please
Sorry for not getting back sooner - busy weekend with my daughter, loads of fund stuff to do. Today is rainy and coolish so we're having a 'lazy day' at home.
Went back through the time capsule of news and can only find Nanny reference as everyone else is noting. It was Gerry's mother who noted there was a nanny in the McCann home whom the McCann's trusted. I take this to mean that she was not referring to a grandparent or other family member.
Here's the link:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/li...tml?in_article_id=453801&in_page_id=1770&ct=5
Kat
Russell O'Brien look like?
Anyone know or have photo links to him?
I remember reading *somewhere* that the twins went with KM but son of a monkey I can't find that anywhere now.
I am having great difficulty getting into the official website today. Anyone else? Gerry's blog was eerily silent yesterday, last I checked.
Kat
Anyone know or have photo links to him?
I remember reading *somewhere* that the twins went with KM but son of a monkey I can't find that anywhere now.
I am having great difficulty getting into the official website today. Anyone else? Gerry's blog was eerily silent yesterday, last I checked.
Kat
Thanks Calikid! I deleted some stuff just for the sake of space, but see my bolding. Isn't the statement about Jane's trip to check on the kids contridictory to what we were previously told - she was LATE for dinner? Had nothing to do with checking on the kids. If she WAS checking on the kids - don't you think she would have gone into the bedroom where Maddie was sleeping after just seeing some man walk off with a child that looked like Maddie? Even if you didn't think much about it, (however she must have thought something, because apparently she looked at him closely) wouldn't you just, almost subconsiously, open the bedroom door to look at all the children? Or is that just my paranoid mind
And what was Russell wearing? Were Russell and Jane gone from the dinner at the same time? Was he also late to dinner or did he just disappear for a period of time? Was he "checking" on the kids?
And then, in my mind, the SOL reports are more trustworthy than the British media at this point. SOL apparently actually talks to people, such as the Jeremy Wilkins guy, where the British media just talk about the "campaign."
To Badkat - thanks for your input on the nanny issue. I didn't remember seeing anything else either, but I haven't reviewed articles in quite some time.
So - we still don't know if there is a nanny, we don't know for certain whose brother and sister went to the UK (although I am beginning to believe it was Kate's and not Madeleine's), we don't know if Jane was late to dinner or checking on kids........
Boy - we really don't know much here.
In English:
McCann couple says that speculations make it difficult inquiry the parents of Madeleine McCann had admitted today that much speculation around the case has existed, fact that does not help the inquiries.
In one short interview given to the journalists today, in the day where it makes two months that Madeleine disappeared of the aldeamento Ocean Club, the parents of the girl, Gerry and Kate McCann, declares that they go to try to keep asset the campaign to find the son, through some initiatives that they had not specified. The McCann couple came back to thank the support that has to them fond of the whole world, detaching the Portuguese community of the Beach of the Light, that in last the two months has helped them to exceed a period that say to be "one of the worse ones" of its lives.
The parents of Madeleine, although to affirm that he has had much speculation around the case, enalteceram the paper of the social communication in the aid that has given to keep asset the campaign to find the son of four years. The couple admits to be with the family in the Beach of the Light until the o appearance of Madeleine, because it says that it is where if feels "more close to the inquiry", being therefore "important" to remain itself in the place. "We think to be in Portugal because here we make more to keep the alive campaign", it said the couple of doctors, admitting that the case made them to move of life, nominated in professional terms. On the inquiry, Kate and Gerry McCann they had commented that the policy has kept them informed on the developments, and had added that they have all the confidence in the Portuguese police authorities and of the countries that have collaborated. "I know that the policies are to make its better in this difficult inquiry to find Madeleine", Gerry McCann said.
The father of Madeleine made of new one appeals to the possible abductors of the son, saying "leaving to come back". "Please, they return it", said Gerry McCann. Madeleine McCann disappeared in day 3 of May while it slept in an apartment of the "Ocean Club" with the gémeos brothers, Sean and Amélie, and the parents had supper in a next restaurant. The police inquiry, that included the inquiry of one hundred witnesses and the analysis of innumerable tracks, so far did not lead the consistent information on the paradeiro of the girl, having until the o arguido moment an only one, Robert Murat. In the passed week, the Spanish policy withheld in Cadiz (Andalusia, South of Spain) a Italian and a Portuguese - Danilo Chemello and Aurora Vaz -, initially suspected to be involved in the disappearance of the child. However, as it notified the international press, the couple only wanted to try to assume itself of the four million promise euros to who of these information on the paradeiro of Madeleine McCann.
Last the great known diligence of the PJ to try to find the girl was based on a letter anónima directed to a dutch periodical that indicated the place where the body would be embedded, but the track was abandoned, after three days of inquiry, due to tests. The some sets of ten of Portuguese, British, Spanish, French, Norwegian journalists, among others, that they had followed the case in the Algarve had helped the one that the disappearance of Madeleine if transformed into the greater mediático case of that it has memory in the history of the disappearance of children. Lusa/SOL
So - nothing new out of Portugal at this time. Is anyone else having trouble accessing the official find Madeleine website today?
McCann couple says that speculations make it difficult inquiry the parents of Madeleine McCann had admitted today that much speculation around the case has existed, fact that does not help the inquiries.
In one short interview given to the journalists today, in the day where it makes two months that Madeleine disappeared of the aldeamento Ocean Club, the parents of the girl, Gerry and Kate McCann, declares that they go to try to keep asset the campaign to find the son, through some initiatives that they had not specified. The McCann couple came back to thank the support that has to them fond of the whole world, detaching the Portuguese community of the Beach of the Light, that in last the two months has helped them to exceed a period that say to be "one of the worse ones" of its lives.
The parents of Madeleine, although to affirm that he has had much speculation around the case, enalteceram the paper of the social communication in the aid that has given to keep asset the campaign to find the son of four years. The couple admits to be with the family in the Beach of the Light until the o appearance of Madeleine, because it says that it is where if feels "more close to the inquiry", being therefore "important" to remain itself in the place. "We think to be in Portugal because here we make more to keep the alive campaign", it said the couple of doctors, admitting that the case made them to move of life, nominated in professional terms. On the inquiry, Kate and Gerry McCann they had commented that the policy has kept them informed on the developments, and had added that they have all the confidence in the Portuguese police authorities and of the countries that have collaborated. "I know that the policies are to make its better in this difficult inquiry to find Madeleine", Gerry McCann said.
The father of Madeleine made of new one appeals to the possible abductors of the son, saying "leaving to come back". "Please, they return it", said Gerry McCann. Madeleine McCann disappeared in day 3 of May while it slept in an apartment of the "Ocean Club" with the gémeos brothers, Sean and Amélie, and the parents had supper in a next restaurant. The police inquiry, that included the inquiry of one hundred witnesses and the analysis of innumerable tracks, so far did not lead the consistent information on the paradeiro of the girl, having until the o arguido moment an only one, Robert Murat. In the passed week, the Spanish policy withheld in Cadiz (Andalusia, South of Spain) a Italian and a Portuguese - Danilo Chemello and Aurora Vaz -, initially suspected to be involved in the disappearance of the child. However, as it notified the international press, the couple only wanted to try to assume itself of the four million promise euros to who of these information on the paradeiro of Madeleine McCann.
Last the great known diligence of the PJ to try to find the girl was based on a letter anónima directed to a dutch periodical that indicated the place where the body would be embedded, but the track was abandoned, after three days of inquiry, due to tests. The some sets of ten of Portuguese, British, Spanish, French, Norwegian journalists, among others, that they had followed the case in the Algarve had helped the one that the disappearance of Madeleine if transformed into the greater mediático case of that it has memory in the history of the disappearance of children. Lusa/SOL
So - nothing new out of Portugal at this time. Is anyone else having trouble accessing the official find Madeleine website today?
the twins.
Latest Update - Gerry's Blog/Diary
Day 72 - 14/07/2007
Kate, the twins and myself attended a family baptism today in Yorkshire where we stood as Godparents. At the end of the short service, which was lovely, prayers were said for Madeleine. It is the first time Kate has been to the UK since Madeleine disappeared but we wanted to support our family the same way they have supported us over the last ten weeks and it was great to see so many family members together. We have also taken a huge amount of strength from our faith and of course the messages of support and prayers for Madeleine from people of all faiths around the world.
Uh, huh. Well, I haven't been here long but I'm sure what I am presently thinking would come as no surprise to anyone here.
Latest Update - Gerry's Blog/Diary
Day 72 - 14/07/2007
Kate, the twins and myself attended a family baptism today in Yorkshire where we stood as Godparents. At the end of the short service, which was lovely, prayers were said for Madeleine. It is the first time Kate has been to the UK since Madeleine disappeared but we wanted to support our family the same way they have supported us over the last ten weeks and it was great to see so many family members together. We have also taken a huge amount of strength from our faith and of course the messages of support and prayers for Madeleine from people of all faiths around the world.
Uh, huh. Well, I haven't been here long but I'm sure what I am presently thinking would come as no surprise to anyone here.
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