Madeleine McCann 3 year old missing in Portugal - Part 9

[BethInAK]

We've talked about Madeleine having something wrong with her before, but never even considered autism. Looking at pictures of her, I find it hard to believe. She seems like a normal little girl with a lot of enthusiasm for life and affectionate towards her family. From what I know about autism, children with it are usually withdrawn and act "different".
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If she has aspergers, or another form of "autism lite" - you wouldn't be able to tell if a child has aspergers for the most part. My mom is a special ed teacher with several autistic and aspergers kids - I honestly wouldn't be able to tell you that anything was wrong with the aspergers kids at all- very affectionate and verbally capable. Hell, even one of the autistic kids is pretty affectionate and verbally able.

 

[BethInAK]

<<"Difficult to handle" can mean many things, depending on who says it. >>

Agreed. I know several families whose children's shortcomings in behavior are directly proportional to a lack of parenting skills. My one neighbor's children only receive discipline from my 10-year-old daughter...you would think they would reject being bossed around (especially by another kid), but they seek her out as a companion.

poor things are desperate for some direction. Sad. Glad you daughter is up to being a pseudo parent at age 10!

 

[mrsmousemat]

http://news.sky.com/skynews/video/videoplayer/0,,91210-1279527,00.html

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6942705.stm

Interesting video and article.

Portugese police have confirmed that Madeleine's parents, and even their friends are not suspects.

IMO. Sarah Paynes mum has it right. Madeleines parents are victims too. And sadly being victimised still.

I know and agree they shouldn't have left their children alone.
But dear God, what a high price they are paying.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/t.....240412.ece

* The Sunday Times is a leading UK newspaper

 

[mrsmousemat]

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=YUcVncYr6xc

 

[mrsmousemat]

www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article2237613.ece

 

[mjak]

As long as Maddelines wearabouts remain unknown I do not believe any Law enforcement agency would state emphaticly that her parents are not responsible for her dissaparence. Therefore, I would think the use ( or removal) of the word suspect is more of a technical clarification than an exclusion of guilt. All people including the Mccans should be considered innocent until proven otherwise. However, this assumption of innocence dose not negate the rights of the public to scrutinize, question and hypotosize as long as this is done in a law abiding, non maligning and constructive manner.

mjak

 

[Shazza]

As long as Maddelines wearabouts remain unknown I do not believe any Law enforcement agency would state emphaticly that her parents are not responsible for her dissaparence. Therefore, I would think the use ( or removal) of the word suspect is more of a technical clarification than an exclusion of guilt. All people including the Mccans should be considered innocent until proven otherwise. However, this assumption of innocence dose not negate the rights of the public to scrutinize, question and hypotosize as long as this is done in a law abiding, non maligning and constructive manner.

mjak

I agree Mjak, I feel we still need to hear what the LE havent told us, I think they are holding back a little until they are absolutely sure, and have evidence to prove who the felon/felons are.

 

[englishleigh]

As long as Maddelines wearabouts remain unknown I do not believe any Law enforcement agency would state emphaticly that her parents are not responsible for her dissaparence. Therefore, I would think the use ( or removal) of the word suspect is more of a technical clarification than an exclusion of guilt. All people including the Mccans should be considered innocent until proven otherwise. However, this assumption of innocence dose not negate the rights of the public to scrutinize, question and hypotosize as long as this is done in a law abiding, non maligning and constructive manner.

mjak

Exactly, mjak...especially when there are so many different accounts of the time when Maddie went missing and her parents behave as weirdly as they do. "Suspect" is not a term LE uses lightly...I'd definitely say, though, that the McCanns are "persons of interest" and I'll bet Portuguese LE & the British agencies involved would, too.

 

[april4sky]

As long as Maddelines wearabouts remain unknown I do not believe any Law enforcement agency would state emphaticly that her parents are not responsible for her dissaparence. Therefore, I would think the use ( or removal) of the word suspect is more of a technical clarification than an exclusion of guilt. All people including the Mccans should be considered innocent until proven otherwise. However, this assumption of innocence dose not negate the rights of the public to scrutinize, question and hypotosize as long as this is done in a law abiding, non maligning and constructive manner.

mjak

Assumption of innocence....I wish!!!!
IMO. The above sounds like a trite phrase that is being used as an excuse for "Anything goes".......And as for non maligning!!!!

The word "Suspect".
The Portugese police had no trouble calling Robert Morrat a "Suspect".
I believe it is normal in Portugal that they name their suspects.

At the end of the day its a choice we make as to whether we believe Madeleine's parents.
My choice is to believe them unless the police say they did something to Madeleine.
I won't be influenced by rumor from malicious blogs and the likes of "Sol".

We all make choices....

 

[mjak]

Assumption of innocence....I wish!!!!
IMO. The above sounds like a trite phrase that is being used as an excuse for "Anything goes".......And as for non maligning!!!!

The word "Suspect".
The Portugese police had no trouble calling Robert Morrat a "Suspect".
I believe it is normal in Portugal that they name their suspects.

At the end of the day its a choice we make as to whether we believe Madeleine's parents.
My choice is to believe them unless the police say they did something to Madeleine.
I won't be influenced by rumor from malicious blogs and the likes of "Sol".

We all make choices....

The phrase you refer to as Trite came from my head as I typed it and I try to make it a point to keep my simple unintelligent mind from impacting my posts here so that I do not waste other posters time reading my stupid thoughtless trite utterings.

I also always make it a point to be respectful and non dissmisive of the postings of other members...

mjak

 

[mjak]

I agree Mjak, I feel we still need to hear what the LE havent told us, I think they are holding back a little until they are absolutely sure, and have evidence to prove who the felon/felons are.

Unfortunitly, the law in Portugal is such that LE can not tell us anything and this is creating havic. It is not a good law in my opinion. LE needs to be the people in charge of an official avenue of communication and they are not being alowed to do this. The end result being so much missinformation. It is not in the best intrest of a missing child for the world to be giving so much conflicting information there head is spinning,

mjak

 

[april4sky]

The phrase you refer to as Trite came from my head as I typed it and I try to make it a point to keep my simple unintelligent mind from impacting my posts here so that I do not waste other posters time reading my stupid thoughtless trite utterings.

I also always make it a point to be respectful and non dissmisive of the postings of other members...

mjak

mjak I'm sorry if you were insulted by my word "Trite" It was not said to insult you.
Nor do I think you are unintelligent.
Just trying to give my opinion regarding the McCanns.

 

[mjak]

mjak I'm sorry if you were insulted by my word "Trite" It was not said to insult you.
Nor do I think you are unintelligent.
Just trying to give my opinion regarding the McCanns.

Thank you for the apology. It is easy to missinterpet a posters intentions.

mjak

 

[april4sky]

Thank you for the apology. It is easy to missinterpet a posters intentions.

mjak

I agree mjak. Thank you for your quick response

 

[CarpeDiem]

Some info about Maddie and the Cuddle Cat, I've had questions about that since the beginning!:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=474844&in_page_id=1770

 

[mjak]

Some info about Maddie and the Cuddle Cat, I've had questions about that since the beginning!:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=474844&in_page_id=1770

I have one huge problem with the significane this article is attaching to Cuddle Cat and that is that the Mccans have had Cuddle cat in their possesion since after Maddie disspaeared. I belive if the Mccaans stated that Cuddle Cats position indicated it had come in contact with a kidnapper that cat would be considred evidence and be under lock and key in LE possesion. They would not be free to carry the cat and wash it no less. These actions in my mind dispute what this article is alledging.

mjak

 

[CarpeDiem]

I agree. I actually have more questions now, though it does answer a BIG one - where it was found. I wish we had a pic of that room.

I don't think they had ever encountered a situation such as this was is in the first day(s) in the Portugal LE, there was a big language barrier too. And, seriously, the chances were so much greater that she wondered off, with the history of the child that week and the parent's activities.

 

[Jdee]

If the perp had a 10 min window to snatch and grab and 'run' as Jane said... I have a problem with the perp taking the time out to remove Cuddle Cat and find a 'high' spot in the room to lay it as that one article stated. It makes more sense that when she was 'grabbed' that Cuddle Cat would either be left in the bed or simply fallen to the floor.
Did Madeleine carry Cuddle Cat with her ALL the time or did she just sleep with it? If she did carry it all the time then yes the Perp would know it could be a way of identifying her if they allowed her to keep it when she was grabbed. That is if that person had been watching the McCann's for days and learning their habits. But if Madeleine only slept with Cuddle Cat, unless the Perp had been in the room before with a flash light peering down on her sleeping, they would have now way of knowing Madeleine took that toy to bed with her every night and hence had the forethought to take it away from her and find a 'high' spot in the room to leave it. I do not buy that scenerio.

 

[CarpeDiem]

I don't understand the scenario either, because bottom line, the perp would want full compliance from the child in the moment, having her keep her cuddle cat or taking it also if Maddie was unconscious, would seem to be an obvious move an abductor would make. If for no other reason, to have a trophy later. It's small too. Putting it on that shelf is very odd. I would have expected it to have been dropped or left in the bed. An abductor did have some time and showed an amount of calm and planning.

There are some similarities here too to the Van Dam case and how that perp accomplished his horrible deed.

Anyone in that Tapas bar could have known the kid's were alone. And some loner that hung out at that resort could have had any number of reason's and opportunity to target the McCann's.

I hope this case will be solved, but it doesn't feel very likely.

 

[dimples37398]

It was kind of ironic, we were at a really popular park here in Belgium yesterday evening and letting the kids play....my hubby called me over and said who does that look like. It was a little girl and she did look quite a bit like Maddie.....The man and woman with this little girl seemed pretty normal though, I was taking photos of my kids playing and they must have been there for a while cause they left not long after us getting there. She had the same color hair, the same hair cut. Too make it even more ironic, the lady was calling for her to come and called her Madelana or something like that, it sounded just like madeleine but with an a at the end. I don't think it was her but it did have me wondering for a few minutes

Kel