Madeleine McCann 3 year old missing in Portugal - Part 9

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I have one huge problem with the significane this article is attaching to Cuddle Cat and that is that the Mccans have had Cuddle cat in their possesion since after Maddie disspaeared. I belive if the Mccaans stated that Cuddle Cats position indicated it had come in contact with a kidnapper that cat would be considred evidence and be under lock and key in LE possesion. They would not be free to carry the cat and wash it no less. These actions in my mind dispute what this article is alledging.

mjak

I'm also curious that Kate is so sure that Maddie couldn't get to that shelf, that's why I wish we had interior pics of the apartment. She was just day's away from her 4th birthday. I know when my kid's were that age, we had a couple of accidents with them climbing up on things that we didn't think they could get to, or didn't think they would think of a way to get to. And, Maddie wasn't being supervised enough in that room at bed time for them to know for sure she wouldn't try, or hear her if she tried and fell. :(
 
It was kind of ironic, we were at a really popular park here in Belgium yesterday evening and letting the kids play....my hubby called me over and said who does that look like. It was a little girl and she did look quite a bit like Maddie.....The man and woman with this little girl seemed pretty normal though, I was taking photos of my kids playing and they must have been there for a while cause they left not long after us getting there. She had the same color hair, the same hair cut. Too make it even more ironic, the lady was calling for her to come and called her Madelana or something like that, it sounded just like madeleine but with an a at the end. I don't think it was her but it did have me wondering for a few minutes

Kel

Perhaps you should report this? I wish you'd gotten a picture of the child!!!!
 
I have one huge problem with the significane this article is attaching to Cuddle Cat and that is that the Mccans have had Cuddle cat in their possesion since after Maddie disspaeared. I belive if the Mccaans stated that Cuddle Cats position indicated it had come in contact with a kidnapper that cat would be considred evidence and be under lock and key in LE possesion. They would not be free to carry the cat and wash it no less. These actions in my mind dispute what this article is alledging.

mjak

I soooooo agree!! Why wasn't the Cuddle Cat taken into evidence?? :banghead: I wonder if they told LE about Cuddle Cat being removed to a shelf in the beginning of all this? Somehow I don't think so.
 
I got a pic of her from pretty far away but I just am not sure enough it was her to report it or anything. This girl looked younger than 4 to me. This girl also didn't have dimples that I recall. I also didn't hear this girl talking at all, from the videos and stuff I believe Madeleine was talking right.

Kel
 
I soooooo agree!! Why wasn't the Cuddle Cat taken into evidence?? :banghead: I wonder if they told LE about Cuddle Cat being removed to a shelf in the beginning of all this? Somehow I don't think so.


My guess is simply the information in this article is incorrect. Had they told this to LE I firmly believe Cuddlecat would be under lock and key in an evidence bag in LE possesion.

mjak
 
I got a pic of her from pretty far away but I just am not sure enough it was her to report it or anything. This girl looked younger than 4 to me. This girl also didn't have dimples that I recall. I also didn't hear this girl talking at all, from the videos and stuff I believe Madeleine was talking right.

Kel

Please Kel....send the picture to the LE and let them deal with it. I think it is important especially because of the "100% sure sighting" in your area. Madeleine is small for her age and may indeed look younger than 4. Also, I think I have only seen 1 or 2 pictures of her where her dimples were evident. As far as talking, it makes sense that a kidnapped child might not behave "normally" and might be frighten and therefore quieter than a normal 4 year old.

Better safe than sorry!
 
I don't understand the scenario either, because bottom line, the perp would want full compliance from the child in the moment, having her keep her cuddle cat or taking it also if Maddie was unconscious, would seem to be an obvious move an abductor would make.

Good point Carpe!

I would think that putting the toy where the child could not get to it would be antagonizing, assuming she was conscious. If she was not, what's the point? Just leave it lie or bring it along to help calm her if she wakes up. As far as it being an identifier, that would only be a concern for someone who kidnapped her and planned to care for her. If they planned to care for her they would want her to have her pacifier. Or they could buy her a substitute and then, why put it up high? Trying to hide it? Why? Obviously it was not to carefully hidden or Kate would not have seen it straight away Only an idiot would think that a sniffer dog would not alert to it, no matter where it was in the apartment.

Out of everything I have read this brings up more questions than anything else. :waitasec:
 
I have refrained from adding my thoughts on this thread.

Well I am glad you decided to post now!

But I like what you have written, alot of this information seems to be coming from the parents and their friends. I think its about time the Porteguese questions them yet again. I don't know whose at fault here. By, IMHO, leaving small children unattended is a horrible error. This poor child is the victim of bad parenting, and possibly murder! I was very suspicious when she was first taken, and we started hearing famous British stars supporting the search for young Maddy. First we had JK Rowling, then Simon Cowell, then David Beckam. Quite a few A-listers! Must be alot of donated money towards this stolen child. I grow very wary of highly public, top dollar missing profiles.

These are not humble people, IMHO. The focus is the daughter, MADDY. It is not about them! Yet, all I hear is more about this couple then anything in the press. :doh:

I agree with all of your post especially the part about the PJ questioning everyone again. I had heard that they planned to question the parents separately but I do not know if that has happened yet. IMO, this is very important and a common tactic in an investigation where stories do not "fit". I am still holding out hope that the PJ know what they are doing. I have a gut feeling that they are very clever and alot of what we have been reading about lately is a game that is being played, and played well.
 
in Jornal de Noticias this morning:

http://jn.sapo.pt/2007/08/12/policia_e_tribunais/cortina_apartamento_casal_cann_tambe.html

Curtain in the McCann couple’s apartment also had blood on it

A second blood residue was discovered in the McCann couple’s apartment by the english dogs that are helping the investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine, JN could find out. This small sample joins another one that was found on a wall in Gerry and Kate’s bedroom, and comes to reinforce the possibility that the english child could have been killed on that location. The two clues, both of which were found on washed surfaces, are still being analysed in an english lab in order to clarify is they actually belong to Maddie.

The main investigation Line for PJ and the english police presumes the child’s death, as Olegario de Sousa, the PJ’s spokesman for this case, confirmed to JN. “There were some developments and clues were obtained that may indicate a possible death of the girl”.

The chief inspector explained that investigators “are awaiting laboratorial results from the residues that were collected” in the Ocean Club apartment, in Praia da Luz, Lagos, from where the child disappeared on May 3. “All possibilities are still open and being investigated, but the possibility that the child is dead is more intense”, the spokesman added. Therefore, in spite of the McCanns’ diverging statements, PJ investigates at the moment into the theories of accidental death or homicide.

(...)
 
Posting an opinion article from Francisco Moita Flores, University Teacher & former PJ Director

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This morning in Correio da Manha:

http://www.correiodamanha.pt/noticia.asp?id=253643&idselect=93&idCanal=93&p=200

The Speculation

From the first hour on, the theory of Madeleine’s kidnapping only fits for those who react to these things in an emotional way.

The british press has started a new campaign about Madeleine’s case. Now, the front line is the attack against the portuguese press. And don’t say it’s the tabloids. All, including BBC, Sky News, are distorting and manipulating news with one objective: to save their faces. They bet the whole World that Madeleine was abducted. Now, there is no way back. Their issue is very simple: all news that point to an abduction are good. As long as the abductor is not english. All news that point to other solutions are bad. They’re speculation. They seek to attack the pitiful family.

The truth, which no image assessor , no journalist can hide, is that this family has received the best that Portugal can offer in times of distress. We cried with them, we prayed, we wanted to believe the whole image operation was about their distress in the search for their daughter. Even Justice was tolerant. If portuguese parents had abandoned three children to their fate in order to have a good time with their friends, and one of the children disappeared, the press, the police, the social services would be all over them. With the McCanns, we closed our eyes to their negligence. They’re english and so on, they like to get drunk in the Algarve and so on, and of course! they’re culturally different from us. They, the owners of progress, who give their children complete freedom, we, the peasants, who don’t take our eyes off our children. But there is another truth. From the first hour on, the theory of a kidnapping only fits those who react to these things in an emotional way. The portuguese and english police who are investigating this case could not commit that mistake. Mysteries, to be solved, need the exercise of reason and not of tears. And reason, sometimes, pushes us into places of horror. The McCanns’ interviews say what the affectuous masses want to hear. They are carefully prepared by assessors, they integrate the british campaign against other possibilities to solve the mystery, they induce their listeners to believe there is no truth except the abduction. A truth they cannot explain themselves.

There is still another truth. Only those who ignore what a criminal investigation is about, can talk about new investigation lines. Because they’re all the same age. It’s just that some possibilities show they were not sustainable, and others had legs to walk. The arrival of dogs that are specialized in blood and cadaver odours is no speculation. It’s an evidence. They underline the suspicion that the child may have been killed inside that house. Was it the kidnapper? What for? Did he want to abduct a corpse? So who was it? The answer scares british press, and hence the xenophobe attacks against the portuguese journalists and police. It had to be someone who visited the house and knew it. Someone who knew it well enough to know where the cleaning products were kept, in order to clean blood stains. And, if this police research is confirmed, one cannot even talk about accidental death. Anyone who, alone or accompanied, hides clues, is trying to conceal a crime. There is no simpler deduction exercise available. The instrument of detetctives. Other paths are in faith’s territory. The priests celebrate masses, detectives discover crimes.
 
Please Kel....send the picture to the LE and let them deal with it. I think it is important especially because of the "100% sure sighting" in your area. Madeleine is small for her age and may indeed look younger than 4. Also, I think I have only seen 1 or 2 pictures of her where her dimples were evident. As far as talking, it makes sense that a kidnapped child might not behave "normally" and might be frighten and therefore quieter than a normal 4 year old.

Better safe than sorry!

Also make certain you tell them she was addressed as "Madelana..."
 
Heather...that article was amazing. Thank you so much for posting it. Wow.....

And the apartment listing...thank you!!! You DO rock.....:blowkiss:
 
What happened to the clothing that the Portuguese detective in charge of the case said had been found in his interview to explain why the emphasis of the case had changed?

Is their any indication of what this clothing might be and where it was found?
 
in Correio da Manha this morning:

http://www.correiodamanha.pt/noticia.asp?id=253693&idselect=181&idCanal=181&p=0

Madeleine: Diplomacy pressures PJ
PJ forced to investigate kidnapping lead


Alípio Ribeiro, national director of PJ, received a call from John Buck, the british ambassador in Portugal, on the night Madeleine disapeared from the Ocean Club, on May 3.

Around 11 p.m., approximately two hours after the child's disppearance had been communicated to the police, Alípio Ribeiro had to interrupt a private dinner in order to listen to the diplomat. That phone call was the first sign that the british were very keen on accompanying the PJ’s actions very closely, and in forcing the investigations to follow the abduction theory.

“The PJ lost too much time investigating the abduction”, a source connected to the investigation told CM. The pressure of the british diplomacy apparently only slowed down after the arrival in Portugal of british police agents who gave support to the redirectioning of the investigation to the possibility of murder. The biological evidence found in the apartment were decisive in the changing the inquiry's direction, or, at least, for the PJ to admit that change publicly.

The decision to further investigate the possibility of the child's death in the Ocean Club – and in consequence the re-evaluation of the depositions made by the parents and their friends – was also taken taking the opinions of the british police agents into consideration. The interview that Olegário Sousa gave yesterday to BBC and ITN was done in accordance with those agents.

The choice of these two television channels was motivated by the indignation that the british agents themselves felt regarding the accusations that have been made by the british press to the PJ. The BBC and ITN have been treating this case with more distance and impartiality, and that was the reason for which they were privileged tothe interview.

Olegário Sousa admitted for the first time in public the possibility of Madeleine being dead. A position that leaves the McCanns at the center of the investigations, a situation that is being managed "with soft gloves" by the portuguese police.

The couple has benefitted from the help of powerful friends. The first spokesperson for the McCanns, Clarence Mitchell, who organized the several trips Maddie's parents did into various countries, is now an aide of Gordon Brown.

Brown supported the Maddie cause from the begining, because Jill Renwick, a long time friend of the couple, is a neighbour of John Brown, brother of the british prime-minister.
 
Brown supported the Maddie cause from the begining, because Jill Renwick, a long time friend of the couple, is a neighbour of John Brown, brother of the british prime-minister.
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Is this something we knew before? Apparently the British ambassador was involved from the first hours...did the McCann's call Jill Renwick immediately?
McCann to Renwick to Brown's brother to Brown to the embassy within an hour or so...
I'd like to think I would have my wits about me in such a circumstance, and that my friends would spring into action like that.
 
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