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  • #521
Going back to Jigzys comment about the timeline drawn up on Madeleines colouring book, the more I think about it the more incredible it is that they would make a timeline.

Jigzy is right, the only important person in the timeline would be the last person to have checked the apartment, therefore it would be Gerry McCann, he supposedly saw the children in their beds so "the abductor" would have had to have taken Madeleine after Gerry McCanns last check around 9.10pm so what is the point of making a timeline detailing other checks?
There is none, all other checks are irrelevant because Gerry McCann claims to have seen the children.

Why then the timeline or more accurately the two timelines that were drawn up? the only answer is that they were made in order to get some kind of story straight, otherwise the last confirmed sighting is the only important one.
The rest don't matter at all and were certainly nowhere near as important as actually getting out in the locality to see if they could find Madeleine instead of sitting around and making up timelines and correcting/improving them
 
  • #522
Going back to Jigzys comment about the timeline drawn up on Madeleines colouring book, the more I think about it the more incredible it is that they would make a timeline.

Jigzy is right, the only important person in the timeline would be the last person to have checked the apartment, therefore it would be Gerry McCann, he supposedly saw the children in their beds so "the abductor" would have had to have taken Madeleine after Gerry McCanns last check around 9.10pm so what is the point of making a timeline detailing other checks?
There is none, all other checks are irrelevant because Gerry McCann claims to have seen the children.

Why then the timeline or more accurately the two timelines that were drawn up? the only answer is that they were made in order to get some kind of story straight, otherwise the last confirmed sighting is the only important one.
The rest don't matter at all and were certainly nowhere near as important as actually getting out in the locality to see if they could find Madeleine instead of sitting around and making up timelines and correcting/improving them

I am really not sure why you think that making a time line or writing thungs down is so strange ? They ahd spent some time running around searching shouting the situation was increasingly chaotic and of course highly distressing - a little girls was missing - These people were all potential witnesses - with the desperation of trying to do something , anythung to try and help to try and think what happened writing down things to establish times seems not only sensible byt exactky what teh police where going to do anyway - they would wnat to get an accurate event of what happened that night as soon as possible, Why must everythuing have some sinister overrtones ?

Also I dont see where this thing about two seperate timelines being written ? - can youi give me some idea what you are basing that on ?
 
  • #523
I am really not sure why you think that making a time line or writing thungs down is so strange ? They ahd spent some time running around searching shouting the situation was increasingly chaotic and of course highly distressing - a little girls was missing - These people were all potential witnesses - with the desperation of trying to do something , anythung to try and help to try and think what happened writing down things to establish times seems not only sensible byt exactky what teh police where going to do anyway - they would wnat to get an accurate event of what happened that night as soon as possible, Why must everythuing have some sinister overrtones ?

Also I dont see where this thing about two seperate timelines being written ? - can youi give me some idea what you are basing that on ?


Why must everything have sinister overtones?
Possibly because Madeleine has been missing over 5 years with no sight or sound of her, maybe?

Two timelines are here
http://www.mccannfiles.com/id30.html

I'm not basing it on anything but fact
 
  • #524
Why must everything have sinister overtones?
Possibly because Madeleine has been missing over 5 years with no sight or sound of her, maybe?

Two timelines are here
http://www.mccannfiles.com/id30.html

I'm not basing it on anything but fact

from what I can see these timelines were all written after the police arrived - whilst Gerry was in the room and when Jane came in to let the PJ know that she had seen the starnge man -

The way it is being described is that these two timlines wrer written at completetly different times which doesnt tally with anyones statemements. O brien states that they started writing down after they came back from searching around the millenium restaurant ?

Suppose people will always read inti thngs what they want to

I see it as an understandable thing to do in a chaotic situation - something that the PJ wanted

I know that some people like to think that this was a preprepared document that was written before the police arrived - but I dont see that atall
 
  • #525
from what I can see these timelines were all written after the police arrived - whilst Gerry was in the room and when Jane came in to let the PJ know that she had seen the starnge man -

The way it is being described is that these two timlines wrer written at completetly different times which doesnt tally with anyones statemements. O brien states that they started writing down after they came back from searching around the millenium restaurant ?

Suppose people will always read inti thngs what they want to

I see it as an understandable thing to do in a chaotic situation - something that the PJ wanted

I know that some people like to think that this was a preprepared document that was written before the police arrived - but I dont see that atall

Quoting gord in the quote box above,
I didnt mention them being written at completely different times or that they do not tally,
I simply quoted them as follows
Why then the timeline or more accurately the two timelines that were drawn up? the only answer is that they were made in order to get some kind of story straight

If you can see what you claim anywhere in that post please enlighten me, otherwise please don't attempt to put words in my mouth, I am more than capable of making my own statements.
As stated earlier, I find it pointless for them to make a timeline if one of them really did see Madeleine alive and well in the apartment, that sighting would be the only important one and the basis to work from.

It would be interesting to see just where you came to the conclusion that the timelines were written whilst the PJ were in the room, is that just an opinion or is there a link to that?
 
  • #526
Quoting gord in the quote box above,
I didnt mention them being written at completely different times or that they do not tally,
I simply quoted them as follows


If you can see what you claim anywhere in that post please enlighten me, otherwise please don't attempt to put words in my mouth, I am more than capable of making my own statements.
As stated earlier, I find it pointless for them to make a timeline if one of them really did see Madeleine alive and well in the apartment, that sighting would be the only important one and the basis to work from.

It would be interesting to see just where you came to the conclusion that the timelines were written whilst the PJ were in the room, is that just an opinion or is there a link to that?

you migght think it pointless they did a timeline - in hindsight now - but at the time they obviously thought it was somethung worth whike they did.

I based my thioughts that the PJ were there on O briens rogatory interview

http://madeleinemythsexposed.pbworks.com/w/page/39077595/Rebuttal of "Fact" 8

The, the next real recollection, I mean, I don't know how much time we spent in our own flats and talking outside, but the next recollection really is, being in the, in the flat, this was sort the first time I remember being in the flat with, with, with, with Gerry, around this point there, there were a lot more, I think, I think the PJ had arrived and certainly there were actually other, other members of the GNR around as well because there was, a fair number of people milling around in the, in the passageway going in through the, the, the locked door, not, so not on the patio side, but there were a lot of people including Police around, around the exit there near the shutters and stuff. And at some stage sort of quietened off and the, the PJ sat down with, came in and sat down with Gerry, the recollections of what happened there are relatively dim now, but the only ones I can really recall was, although it was prompted by what you showed me on Tuesday, was that we were writing on the back of a piece of card, I thought it was a cereal box but obviously it was a children's book, a very kind of, very, very, draft idea of what happened in the hour and, and what state the windows and the shutters had been in and I think I, that was, that was written with me sat at the table in Kate and Gerry's room. Gerry by this point had certainly calmed down but was, his head was just on the table, like that, he was just staring at the, at the table, very, very quiet and very, very low. Dave PAYNE was in there at least at one point early on.

And I think possibly Sylvia this Housekeeper, I think she came in, I think she was offering to translate at some point. But anyway Dave PAYNE said to, there were two members of the PJ had arrived, there was a guy I remember being almost shaved bald head, quite dark complexion, and a second one who we kind of nicknamed 'baby face' who did our fingerprinting about a week later, and those two were there and Dave was, was saying, 'Shouldn't we', 'Why are we sitting here, shouldn't you be on the radio, shouldn't there be more people here, shouldn't there be', 'this should be on the radio, it should be on the television' and, I recall 'baby face' or his colleague saying 'No media', and, and that was full-stop and then turning round to me writing the timeline and saying 'That's what we want', fair enough. And that's really it. At some point Jane came in, I think because Jane was in with our kids at this point, I didn't hang around too, too long and I went out, but Jane came in I think to give a brief statement to the, the, the PJ on the night, and this is where she's concerned that, she didn't really want to believe what she had seen and she was worried that she had played it down to those staff on the, on the night, such that, that she was never taken seriously again by the PJ, that was, that, I mean, that was, her concern about how she, how she pitched it at the time, but she desperately didn't want to believe that what she saw was, was true and be the last person, in the group to sort of see Madeleine.
 
  • #527
Not all the doors entered onto the car park or path, some were accessed via a side passageway next to the flat.

There is nothing suspicious about doing a timeline, it is exactly what the police try to do. Get together a time line and look for windows when something could have happened. Knowing where people were and when is vital. There needed to be some sort of calm and order in a situation like that, and having someone sit down and get everyone to say what they were doing and when is a good idea and better to get it down as quickly as posisble rather than bit by bit over the next few days as the police take statements. How do you find out who was the last person to see or hear madeleine if you do nto make a timeline, should they just have assumed matt heard or saw her, should they have assumed one of the others did not hear the child as they walked past the flat, shoudl ti have been assumed that the others did nto notice if the window was open or closed etc?

I have never heard of any missing child organisation tell parents that they should not try to work out where and when they were and therefore when the child could have been taken.
 
  • #528
Not all the doors entered onto the car park or path, some were accessed via a side passageway next to the flat.

There is nothing suspicious about doing a timeline, it is exactly what the police try to do. Get together a time line and look for windows when something could have happened. Knowing where people were and when is vital. There needed to be some sort of calm and order in a situation like that, and having someone sit down and get everyone to say what they were doing and when is a good idea and better to get it down as quickly as posisble rather than bit by bit over the next few days as the police take statements. How do you find out who was the last person to see or hear madeleine if you do nto make a timeline, should they just have assumed matt heard or saw her, should they have assumed one of the others did not hear the child as they walked past the flat, shoudl ti have been assumed that the others did nto notice if the window was open or closed etc?


So

I have never heard of any missing child organisation tell parents that they should not try to work out where and when they were and therefore when the child could have been taken.

Lol! could you point me to a link that shows the side passageway please?

The whole point is that the last person to have seen Madeleine alive in the apartment is the starting point for any search not who was supposedly there earlier or walked past the shutters, its the last sighting of the child and then the Police (not a missing children organisation) can work out a timeframe for where the child could be as in if she had been taken in a car if she was likely still in the locality and so forth.

Its interesting that Russell o Brien was the one supposedly making the timeline yet he was only at the Tapas bar for 40 minutes that evening due to late arrival and early exit to look after his child
(arrived at 20.45 left at 21.25 according to his PJ interviews)

Oh O'Brien also states in his PJ interview the following
Because he is asked, states that he cannot describe the state of the children's room after the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, because he never entered there. When they were alerted to the situation, they immediately left the table, and the deponent immediately began searching the immediate areas, heading towards the village and the beach zone.
it sounds like he is saying he never entered the apartment because he was searching the area, if that is true, how did he write the timeline while Gerry was at the table with him?
 
  • #529
Lol! could you point me to a link that shows the side passageway please?

The whole point is that the last person to have seen Madeleine alive in the apartment is the starting point for any search not who was supposedly there earlier or walked past the shutters, its the last sighting of the child and then the Police (not a missing children organisation) can work out a timeframe for where the child could be as in if she had been taken in a car if she was likely still in the locality and so forth.

Its interesting that Russell o Brien was the one supposedly making the timeline yet he was only at the Tapas bar for 40 minutes that evening due to late arrival and early exit to look after his child
(arrived at 20.45 left at 21.25 according to his PJ interviews)


Oh O'Brien also states in his PJ interview the following

it sounds like he is saying he never entered the apartment because he was searching the area, if that is true, how did he write the timeline while Gerry was at the table with him?


BBM

Actually I think this makes perfect sense. He wasn't there so was trying to work the timeline out (with Gerry's help) not only for the police but to make sense of what happened for his own reasons. So that he fully understood the situation. It is also possible he has a leadership personality.

He says he didn't enter the children's bedroom. That doesn't mean he wasn't in the apartment. In his statement he clearly says he went in the apartment after he had searched. Spoke to police and did the timeline with Gerry. If he was not in the apartment when he said he was, and seeing as the police were there too, I think he'd have been pulled up on that.
 
  • #530
Wow what a mess. There are signs of deception all the way through this interview.

When you hesitate in speech, it means that you are not speaking from memory, but from imagination. Memory flows off the tongue, but if hesitation is a sign he is unsure of what he is saying, or outright fabricating. Forensic linguists would have a field day with this one.

Here are my thoughts based on this interview.

you migght think it pointless they did a timeline - in hindsight now - but at the time they obviously thought it was somethung worth whike they did.

On the contrary, I'm thrilled they did one! SS :ok:

I based my thioughts that the PJ were there on O briens rogatory interview

http://madeleinemythsexposed.pbworks.com/w/page/39077595/Rebuttal of "Fact" 8

The, the hesitation - deception
next real recollection, as opposed to the "unreal" ones?
I mean, I don't know how much time we spent in our own flats and talking outside, extra information - indicates deception
but the next recollection really another unreal memory?
is, being in the, in the flat, hesitation - deception
this was sort (of) the first time I remember "sort of" softens certainty, flag for deception
being in the flat with, with, with, with Gerry, hesitation - deception
around this point there, softens, deceptive
there were a lot more,I think, I think hesitation - deceptive
the PJ had arrived and certainly there were certainly - softens conviction = possible deception
actually other, other hesitation - deceptive
members of the GNR around as well because there was, a fair number of people milling around in the, in the passageway
going in through the, the, the locked door, hesitation - deceptive
Note he also has people milling through locked doors
:dunno:
not, so not hesitation - deceptive
on the patio side, but there were a lot of people including Police around, around the exit there near the shutters and stuff. stuff?
And at some stage sort of "sort of" softens conviction
quietened off and the, the hesitation
PJ sat down with, came in and sat down with Gerry,
the recollections of what happened there are relatively dim now, more foggy memory
but the only ones I can really recall there's that "real" memory again
was, although it was prompted by what you showed me on Tuesday, if I'm proven wrong I can blame YOU
was that we were writing on the back of a piece of card, already creating the timeline
I thought it was a cereal box but obviously it was a children's book,a very kind of, very, very, draft idea of what happened idea???
in the hour and, and what state the windows and the shutters had been in why on earth would the timing of the window shutters opening be noted at all, by hysterical, grieving parents who were allegedly convinced the "abductor" opened them at the time of abduction? :banghead:
and I think I, that was, that was written hesitationwith me sat at the table in Kate and Gerry's room. With Kate and Gerry? The sighting of Tanners "abductor" appears on the timeline, yet Tanner had not yet told anyone about it!
Gerry by this point had certainly calmed down but was, his head was just on the table,
like that, he was just staring at the, at the table, very, very quiet and very, very low. Dave PAYNE was in there at least at one point early on.
And I think possibly Sylvia this Housekeeper, I think she came in, I think she was offering to translate at some point.
But anyway Dave PAYNE said to, said to what? What was hidden here? A missing instruction from David Payne, clearly!
there were two members of the PJ had arrived, NOTE - they were already constructing the timeline at this point, clearly the PJ DID NOT REQUEST IT, nor did the GNR officers...the McCann was already writing it when they arrived, unrequested :pullhair:
there was a guy I remember being almost shaved bald head, quite dark complexion, and a second one who we kind of nicknamed 'baby face' who did our fingerprinting about a week later, and those two were there and
Dave was, was saying, 'Shouldn't we', shouldnt we what? edited, shows deception
'Why are we sitting here, shouldn't you be on the radio,
shouldn't there be more people here, why would they be with the McCann when the child was the one who was missing?
shouldn't there be', be what?
'this should be on the radio, it should be on the television' More orders from Payne, directed at LE this time
and, I recall 'baby face' or his colleague saying 'No media', and, and that was full-stop and then
turning round to me writing the timeline already writing the timeline
and saying 'That's what we want', fair enough. the timeline was already in existence when the PJ requested it.
And that's really it. Really?
At some point Jane came in, I think because Jane was in with our kids at this point,
I didn't hang around too, too long and I went out,
but Jane came in I think to give a brief statement
to the, the, the PJ on the night,
and this is where she's concerned that, this is where she first reported the "abductor"...after the timeline had already been written out.
she didn't really want to believe what she had seen and she was worried that she had played it down to those staff played it down to LE, you mean? I really don't know what I saw? Take a look at her later media interviews when she dwells on his individually long hairs, his baby poo coloured ugly baggy scruffy trousers, his increasing layers of clothing, his mullet, even his likely nationality. :maddening:
on the, on the night, such that, that hesitation
she was never taken seriously again by the PJ, I wonder why not....!
that was, that, I mean, that was, hesitation - deceptive
her concern about how she, how she
pitched , PITCHED? SPUN? :what:
it at the time at the time...did her "pitch" change? If so, why?
but she desperately didn't want to believe that what she saw was, was true Gerry lugging away a dead Madeleine, you mean?
and be the last person, in the group
to sort of see Madeleine. Did she see her, or did she "sort of" see her?

Jane put Jane's personal comfort first, apparently, over telling immediately what she had seen as the alleged only eye witness. Extraordinarily selfish behaviour when a little girl is lost and every second counts.


One day I pray there will be complete justice and transparency in this case.

One day....

:furious:

Of course, all opinion only.

:cow:
 
  • #531
http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/Bal.png

the above photo shows that whilst the mccann patio doors were easily accessible on a path that was quite open, the other two ground floor flats had patio doors that were more secluded, and as the patio doors could not be locked or unlocked from the outside locking them meant having to use the other door. The upstairs flat ha dpatio doors that led onto a private balcony. However, why is it odd that a child was abducted from the one flat that was left unlocked. If an abductor was prepared to take any child why would they spend ages trying to pick a lock, when the nearest flat was unlocked. If two cars were next to each other which would be more likely to be stolen, the unlocked on or the locked one? So ti is hardly an odd coincidence that an intruder chose to go into an unlocked flat rather than a locked one.

And no-where doe sit say o'brian wa snot in the flat. Given the police witnesses I agree with gem, that I think the PJ may have been able to point that one out. He says he did not go into the children's bedroom, but as it was a multi-room flat rather than studio style this does not contradict his statement about being in the flat itself.

And to work out when the child was last seen and heard everyone needs to put in what they did to ensure that in actual fact they were not the last ones to hear or see the child. For instance matt had checked the children at nine thirtyish, now it woudl be easy for someone else to assume he had heard or seen madeleine and say she was last seen at nine thoirty, but by making a timeline and getting people to say what happened when, they coudl easily dismiss this since it turne dout matt had not actually gone into the room. the same with everyone else, it needed to be known if they had heard madeleine as they went past. Plus it is useful to know if they were close by and if they saw anything. For instance, jane stated later she saw a man carrying a child. Now if it had turne dout one of the others had actually spoken to him and he was just a father with his own child that woudl have been cleared up straight away. But importantly a timeline idenetifies who last saw or heard madeleine. And again I have never heard a missing children's charity advise not to do this.

hesitation a year after an event when describing it is hardly a sign of deception. I suspect those that want to implicate the mccanns would say it was deceptive if she rolled out a hesitation free speech with no prompting errs, or erms etc, and claim it was prepared.
 
  • #532
http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/Bal.png

the above photo shows that whilst the mccann patio doors were easily accessible on a path that was quite open, the other two ground floor flats had patio doors that were more secluded, and as the patio doors could not be locked or unlocked from the outside locking them meant having to use the other door. The upstairs flat ha dpatio doors that led onto a private balcony. However, why is it odd that a child was abducted from the one flat that was left unlocked. If an abductor was prepared to take any child why would they spend ages trying to pick a lock, when the nearest flat was unlocked. If two cars were next to each other which would be more likely to be stolen, the unlocked on or the locked one? So ti is hardly an odd coincidence that an intruder chose to go into an unlocked flat rather than a locked one.

And no-where doe sit say o'brian wa snot in the flat. Given the police witnesses I agree with gem, that I think the PJ may have been able to point that one out. He says he did not go into the children's bedroom, but as it was a multi-room flat rather than studio style this does not contradict his statement about being in the flat itself.

And to work out when the child was last seen and heard everyone needs to put in what they did to ensure that in actual fact they were not the last ones to hear or see the child. For instance matt had checked the children at nine thirtyish, now it woudl be easy for someone else to assume he had heard or seen madeleine and say she was last seen at nine thoirty, but by making a timeline and getting people to say what happened when, they coudl easily dismiss this since it turne dout matt had not actually gone into the room. the same with everyone else, it needed to be known if they had heard madeleine as they went past. Plus it is useful to know if they were close by and if they saw anything. For instance, jane stated later she saw a man carrying a child. Now if it had turne dout one of the others had actually spoken to him and he was just a father with his own child that woudl have been cleared up straight away. But importantly a timeline idenetifies who last saw or heard madeleine. And again I have never heard a missing children's charity advise not to do this.

hesitation a year after an event when describing it is hardly a sign of deception. I suspect those that want to implicate the mccanns would say it was deceptive if she rolled out a hesitation free speech with no prompting errs, or erms etc, and claim it was prepared.


So the picture shows the rear patio entrances, where then are the supposed according to your posts dark alleyways?
As for the comment about the patios being more secluded, I dont see it they are all pretty much the same and it is a total waste of time to mention the patio doors because everyone elses were locked, therefore the only entrance would be the front door (you know, the ones down dark secluded alleyways or whatever)
Odd though that the McCanns apartment was the nearest one to the road and they chose to leave the patio door open, even though it was so close to the main road

So the abductor (or car thief) just knows that the doors of the apartment (or the car) are unlocked does he?
Or does he have to try all the doors and finds the one that is unlocked, because from what I understand about car thieves, it takes seconds to open one, so why would it matter if it was locked or unlocked?

For the supposed abductor that we have no evidence at all of, to have known the patio door was unlocked he would either have had to had inside knowledge or would have been watching the apartment and also known that the door could not be locked from the outside, but then, had the time to leave by the front door which again may have been locked, why not go throught the already used patio door?
why mess about trying to find a different exit?

Are we to believe that the abductor entered by the patio door just after Gerry McCann left but then managed to almost fly to the end of the street in time to have Jane Tanner see him (but not Gerrry McCann or jeremy Wilkins) and before that in the seconds he was picking up Madeleine who miraculously managed to stay asleep, opened the windows, busted the shutters and then managed to get out the locked or unlocked front door?
totally unbelievable in my opinion.

Your opinion on the RoB statement is merely that - an opinion, it really doesnt matter what you think, RoB states what I posted from his statement, I merely reproduced his words and your angle on what he said doesnt have any effect on those words at all to be honest, unless you have inside knowledge, you are reading from the same hymn sheet as the rest of us.

Back to your timeline comments, they do not make any difference, whoever was the last confirmed sighting of Madeleine in that apartment is the only relevant sighting, it doesnt matter at all in the early search if Matt Oldfield walkked past the window and heard nothing, it means absolutely nothing in terms of if Madeleine was there or not, what matters is the last confirmed sighting, then the Police have a timeframe for how long the child has been gone and how far she could feasibly be.
Everything else, can wait for the interviews the next day, someone walking past the apartment and not hearing anything doesnt narrow any window of opportunity at all

As for the repeated reference to missing people charities, what does that matter? isnt it the Police force that does the investigation and actual searching? Rather pointless to keep mentioning missing persons charities, I hardly think that if your child is taken from you apartment, that your first point of call would be to get n the internet and see what the missing persons chairty says, its not exactly rocket science and it certainly doesnt take a scientist to work that out lol!
 
  • #533
Another question I have regarding the "checks" -

If they were so carefully planned, why were two of the group checking at once?

Meaning Tanner and Gerry.

Tanner must have known Gerry was checking so why was she doing it too?

:banghead:

ETA - missing childrens charities usually advise that you LOOK for the child first. The McCann did not. They sat on their bed and let everyone else look for them.
 
  • #534
Tanner was checking her own children, not Gerry's so why would she not check her children.

As the patio doors were the ones that do not lock from the outside (and this is common with most sliding patio doors) then any person who saw someone entering and exiting via the patio doors would know they were unlocked. If they saw someone entering from the other door they would have no idea if the door was locked or not. Therefore if an abductor wanted to get into a flat it makes sense they would choose the one they knew to be unlocked, rather than walking past that flat and trying all the others on the off chance. If soemone watched the flat they would also have seen that gerry walked in and out of the flat without using a key.

As for the timeline, not one police force or missing persons chairty (who have experience of this situation and are in fact experts) advise against having a timeline of who was where and when. In fact the police will always try to collect this information via statements, and it is vital to find out exactly when the missing person was last seen or heard. Information is valuable and it is odd that people think it is suspicious that the last sighting of madeleine was not just assumed to be on matts check, bt that people double checked and ensured everything was collected in as calm a manner as was possible.

As for the repeated claims that the mccanns never looked, I have not seen anything in the files to indicate this is true. If anyone has evidence that the mccanns did not look thta night at all, coudl they please link to it for others to see. Thanks
 
  • #535
has anyone here any idea WHY others were checking on the mccanns children ie

Payne
Oldfield
Obrien

And the mccanns were not checking on others kids?

And anyone have any idea why two of them went INSIDE the mccanns apartment to check on the kids when they never did so for their own or others

Lets not forget another discrepancy in the mates story, russell obrien checked on the mccanns apartment and went inside through the unlocked patio doors on sunday night when gerry states in his police statements they were locked that night!!

he also apparently checked on matt oldfields kids on the sunday, but matt oldfield was at home that evening so wouldnt need his kids checking!
 
  • #536
On this forum - we DO NOT CALL NAMES! That includes calling those with different opinions "supporters" or "anti-McCanns.

Keep the discussion civil and understand that there there differing viewpoints. That's okay. If you disagree and can't be civil - then DON'T POST. Just don't do it.

And if there is another poster that you disagree with 100% of the time, put them on your ignore list and move on. Do NOT engage in back and forth bickering that is beginning to derail every thread here.

Salem
 
  • #537
Quote Brit1981
As for the timeline, not one police force or missing persons chairty (who have experience of this situation and are in fact experts) advise against having a timeline of who was where and when.

Kate McCann is an ambassador for a missing persons charity, personally I wouldn't take her advice as an "expert"
I would rather take the advice of the police on the ground actively involved in the search, As a UK resident, I don't think I would have much time available for searching the internet to see what US agencies or any other agency were advising me to do and I wouldnt be thinking about having Elton John perform at some big event in the future, I would be desperately trying to co operate with the Police to try and find my child, but, as we know, not everyone is the same.
 
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Ambassador for missing people? Thats just great. This ambassador says its responsible to leave your babies out of ear and eye shot and go out and if one goes missing they will feel guilty for not being there AT THE MOMENT she was taken

people should realise what they did is against all guidelines about leaving babies and toddlers alone so who appointed her an ambassador needs to have a word with themselves


funny old world funny old people, yawn
 
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The fact she was made a spokes person for missing people, a charity that relies on donations shoudl rather indicate the level of support she has from the general public away from a few internet sites.

I would not have taken the advice of the PJ at that time, the man in charge was an arguido at the time in a case relating to a missing child he failed to find. Would not exactly fill me with confidence. And considering extracts from his book have him claiming he ignored leads to do with an abduction, I think I would be right. Compare the search for madeleine in the intial hours to the searches for missing children int he UK. Here helicopeters are out quickly the police are combing the area, drones are even used etc. Madeleine had veyr little from the police in those first few precious hours, one cannot blame her parents for being upset at the lack of reaction intially (and yes they did physically search themselves).
 
  • #540
The fact she was made a spokes person for missing people, a charity that relies on donations shoudl rather indicate the level of support she has from the general public away from a few internet sites.

I would not have taken the advice of the PJ at that time, the man in charge was an arguido at the time in a case relating to a missing child he failed to find. Would not exactly fill me with confidence. And considering extracts from his book have him claiming he ignored leads to do with an abduction, I think I would be right. Compare the search for madeleine in the intial hours to the searches for missing children int he UK. Here helicopeters are out quickly the police are combing the area, drones are even used etc. Madeleine had veyr little from the police in those first few precious hours, one cannot blame her parents for being upset at the lack of reaction intially (and yes they did physically search themselves).

They shouldnt have waited for 45 minutes then before calling police if they knew INSTANTLY at 10 pm she was abducted and then complain the golden first hour was missed by police whenit was them also that compromised the golden hour and also destroyed the crime scene by letting all and sundry waltz in and out there, not forgetting them tamoering with evidence ie putting all their paws all over the shutters alledgedly trying to digure out id they coukd be opened from outside before police got there, sigh, the brass neck of them hey?
 
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