Madeleine McCann found?

[Gem2626]

With ya, Gem. If I found my child gone and the window open, my prints would be all over that window, in a panic, trying to find her, to see if she could have gone out, or even opened it. That is not evidence. So she left fingerprints on the window.

And the Smith siting has been discredited by the Portuguese AND English, because Gerry was with the GNR and PJ and about 100 witnesses at the Ocean Club at that exact time.

But at any time before on the holiday. The apartment was cleaned the day before but no mention of cleaning the windows.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/5A_CLEANER.htm

In my experience of staying in many similar resorts all over the world and having once worked in a hotel. Windows are cleaned between guests not on a daily basis. Her fingerprints could have been left there the first day.

With regards to the Smith sighting. Taking into account walking distance to and from where Martin Smith thought he might have seen him, and the sightings from staff which placed him at the hotel before and after the Smith sighting he would have had I think it was roughly 10 mins to dispose of Madeleine's body in the town somewhere so that it wasn't found. I just don't think that is possible.

I will search for the post I did before, which includes links to statements about who was where at what times tomorrow. Too tired right now

ETA: In regards to the fingerprints. I wonder if Amarals book mentions that there was a fingerprint belonging to an unidentified person on the window or that there were some fingerprints that were inconclusive. I would bet that it doesn't.

 

[Inana]

But at any time before on the holiday. The apartment was cleaned the day before but no mention of cleaning the windows.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/5A_CLEANER.htm

In my experience of staying in many similar resorts all over the world and having once worked in a hotel. Windows are cleaned between guests not on a daily basis. Her fingerprints could have been left there the first day.

With regards to the Smith sighting. Taking into account walking distance to and from where Martin Smith thought he might have seen him, and the sightings from staff which placed him at the hotel before and after the Smith sighting he would have had I think it was roughly 10 mins to dispose of Madeleine's body in the town somewhere so that it wasn't found. I just don't think that is possible.

I will search for the post I did before, which includes links to statements about who was where at what times tomorrow. Too tired right now

ETA: In regards to the fingerprints. I wonder if Amarals book mentions that there was a fingerprint belonging to an unidentified person on the window or that there were some fingerprints that were inconclusive. I would bet that it doesn't.

there is no need to dig up the links just on my account, I actually spend much more time reading the files on mccanfiles.com and mccanpjfiles.com than posting. That's why it's hard to keep my fingers from flying when I read the same old anti-McCann conspiracy theories. Those are the posts I'd like links for, because most of it is conjecture and hyperbole.

 

[Gem2626]

there is no need to dig up the links just on my account, I actually spend much more time reading the files on mccanfiles.com and mccanpjfiles.com than posting. That's why it's hard to keep my fingers from flying when I read the same old anti-McCann conspiracy theories. Those are the posts I'd like links for, because most of it is conjecture and hyperbole.

I always post a link unless it's someone i'm going over things with for the 10th millionth time. It means that when people come here and read through at any point they can actually see for themselves and not just take my word for it.

I will post it for others to see tomorrow. I'm also going to find out if Amaral did mention the other fingerprints.

Yeah it's funny how often links aren't provided when a conspiracy theory is concerned or how many posts that state fact are totally ignored

 

[Inana]

http://goncaloamaraltruthofthelie.blogspot.com/
this is the link for Amaral's book online.

Amongst things I did find in there:
As soon as the English police arrived, he put a 24 hour tail on them. But he usually says he welcomed them with open arms. Appreciated it. There are a few other items that, to me, were very telling, but I can't think of each one now.

Right now I'm upset that the Crimewatch show on Monday in England is inaccessible to me. I hope they put it on the net.

 

[goldengirl57]

But at any time before on the holiday. The apartment was cleaned the day before but no mention of cleaning the windows.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/5A_CLEANER.htm

With regards to the Smith sighting. Taking into account walking distance to and from where Martin Smith thought he might have seen him, and the sightings from staff which placed him at the hotel before and after the Smith sighting he would have had I think it was roughly 10 mins to dispose of Madeleine's body in the town somewhere so that it wasn't found. I just don't think that is possible.

This has always bothered me why would a family LIE about seeing a man carrying a child towards the beach.....

Yet we are to believe Jane tanners story of the same scenario.....

The only difference is after they saw Gerry McCann getting out of the airplane carrying one of his children Martin Smith, thought it reminded him of the person carrying the blonde girl.....and assumed it was or could be Gerry McCann.

Now if you see a young blonde girl being carried through the street the same night one went missing, and then you have a memory triggered i.e. seeing McCann carrying his child out of airplane asleep you could easily put two and two together and say it was him....

Now for me its a natural way to carry a sleeping child nothing odd in that.

SO why dismiss this sighting in its entirety?

I actually think this could have been the abductor taking the child towards the beach and a waiting boat. Why not?

Why dismiss it?

I was so intrigued by it, I did some research. I found a link long ago about a pedophile from Scotland who was supposed to be in the area of Portugal at the time. I actually found a photo of him and was quite surprised to see how much like Gerry McCann he looked.

I cant find links now it was six years ago and i have had 2 newer laptops since.

IF the child was taken then she must have been taken through the streets either carried or sadly in a bag or similar....so it isnt impossible that the Smiths saw someone...their mistake was assuming it was Gerry McCann.

 

[blefuscu]

I don't believe a thing that amaral has to say.

He is not unbiased. And he was taken off the case.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk. Auto correct has a mind of its own.

I don't believe anything the McCann's say. They have been caught lying on more than one occasion, without even suggesting bias.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

I don't believe anything the McCann's say. They have been caught lying on more than one occasion, without even suggesting bias.

Proof of the lies please. A link, Thank you.

 

[Gem2626]

This has always bothered me why would a family LIE about seeing a man carrying a child towards the beach.....

Yet we are to believe Jane tanners story of the same scenario.....

The only difference is after they saw Gerry McCann getting out of the airplane carrying one of his children Martin Smith, thought it reminded him of the person carrying the blonde girl.....and assumed it was or could be Gerry McCann.

Now if you see a young blonde girl being carried through the street the same night one went missing, and then you have a memory triggered i.e. seeing McCann carrying his child out of airplane asleep you could easily put two and two together and say it was him....

Now for me its a natural way to carry a sleeping child nothing odd in that.

SO why dismiss this sighting in its entirety?

I actually think this could have been the abductor taking the child towards the beach and a waiting boat. Why not?

Why dismiss it?

I was so intrigued by it, I did some research. I found a link long ago about a pedophile from Scotland who was supposed to be in the area of Portugal at the time. I actually found a photo of him and was quite surprised to see how much like Gerry McCann he looked.

I cant find links now it was six years ago and i have had 2 newer laptops since.

IF the child was taken then she must have been taken through the streets either carried or sadly in a bag or similar....so it isnt impossible that the Smiths saw someone...their mistake was assuming it was Gerry McCann.

I've always thought it was very possible that both Tanner and the Smiths saw the abductor. Both descriptions are very similar. I don't think it was Gerry. Martin Smith himself was only 60-80% sure it was Gerry based on the way he was carrying one of the twins and not from seeing his face. 2 of the Smith party who had seen the man did not think it was Gerry.

They could easily have been walking to a waiting boat.

 

[blefuscu]

Proof of the lies please. A link, Thank you.

Already gave you those; days ago. You probably didn't bother reading them as they aren't Pro-McCann!

 

[SapphireSteel]

Anyone who knows anything at all about this case knows that the McCanns were caught lying.

Or misrepresenting, if that's how you would rather describe it.

It is a fact.

The window was opened by Kate. The doors were not locked. The shutters were not jemmied.

These are all exactly opposite to what they claimed that night.

:cow:

 

[Gem2626]

Anyone who knows anything at all about this case knows that the McCanns were caught lying.

Or misrepresenting, if that's how you would rather describe it.

It is a fact.

The window was opened by Kate. The doors were not locked. The shutters were not jemmied.

These are all exactly opposite to what they claimed that night.

:cow:

I posted the links to the Mccann's statements just yesterday and right from day one they have said the window was opened and the door was not locked. The said the shutters had been raised, the word 'jemmied' is not in their statements at all but reported in the media and apparently a word that Gerry's sister used. The window being open that night and the shutter raised was also confirmed by an employee.

Their statements have been consistent about this but clearly you haven't ever read them or you would know this.

Kate's statement
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/KATE-MCCANN.htm

Gerry's statement
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GERRY-MCCANN.htm

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GERRY-MCCANN-ARGUIDO.htm#p10p2567

Amy Tierney. Employee statement
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/AMY-ELLEN-TIERNEY.htm

 

[blefuscu]

I posted the links to the Mccann's statements just yesterday and right from day one they have said the window was opened and the door was not locked. The said the shutters had been raised, the word 'jemmied' is not in their statements at all but reported in the media and apparently a word that Gerry's sister used. The window being open that night and the shutter raised was also confirmed by an employee.

Their statements have been consistent about this but clearly you haven't ever read them or you would know this.

Kate's statement
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/KATE-MCCANN.htm

Gerry's statement
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GERRY-MCCANN.htm

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GERRY-MCCANN-ARGUIDO.htm#p10p2567

Amy Tierney. Employee statement
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/AMY-ELLEN-TIERNEY.htm

Gerry tells his sister window was jemmyed:

"Trish said: "When Kate checked, she came out screaming. Maddy had gone. The door was open and the window in the bedroom and shutters were jemmied open. Nothing had been touched and no valuables taken."

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/maddy-3-goes-missing-472340

Next quote:

"Close family friend Gill Renwick, of Liverpool, who also spoke to GP Kate yesterday, said: "Poor Kate and Gerry don't know where to turn.

"Madeleine has obviously been taken. She couldn't have gone out on her own and the shutters were forced."

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/maddy-3-goes-missing-472340

Next quote:

"But Brian Healy, Madeleine's maternal grandfather, told the Guardian his son-in-law had phoned him shortly after returning to the apartment from a nearby restaurant to find Madeleine had disappeared.

"Gerry told me when they went back the shutters to the room were broken, they were jemmied up and she was gone," said Mr Healy. "She'd been taken from the chalet. The door was open."


http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2007/may/05/world.topstories31


And then:

"Until now, it was believed that shutters at the front of the apartment had been jemmied open by the little girl's abductors.

But Chief Inspector Olegario Sousa, spokesman for the investigation, has confided in British former Chief Inspector Albert Kirby that neither the windows nor their shutters had been tampered with."

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...nn-perfect-mum-closest-friends-speak-out.html

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Gerry tells his sister window was jemmyed:

"Trish said: "When Kate checked, she came out screaming. Maddy had gone. The door was open and the window in the bedroom and shutters were jemmied open. Nothing had been touched and no valuables taken."

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/maddy-3-goes-missing-472340

Next quote:

"Close family friend Gill Renwick, of Liverpool, who also spoke to GP Kate yesterday, said: "Poor Kate and Gerry don't know where to turn.

"Madeleine has obviously been taken. She couldn't have gone out on her own and the shutters were forced."

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/maddy-3-goes-missing-472340

Next quote:

"But Brian Healy, Madeleine's maternal grandfather, told the Guardian his son-in-law had phoned him shortly after returning to the apartment from a nearby restaurant to find Madeleine had disappeared.

"Gerry told me when they went back the shutters to the room were broken, they were jemmied up and she was gone," said Mr Healy. "She'd been taken from the chalet. The door was open."


http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2007/may/05/world.topstories31


And then:

"Until now, it was believed that shutters at the front of the apartment had been jemmied open by the little girl's abductors.

But Chief Inspector Olegario Sousa, spokesman for the investigation, has confided in British former Chief Inspector Albert Kirby that neither the windows nor their shutters had been tampered with."

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...nn-perfect-mum-closest-friends-speak-out.html

That was their perception of what they thought happened. Not a lie. Not a story.. She just must have thought that is what happened.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Already gave you those; days ago. You probably didn't bother reading them as they aren't Pro-McCann!

I don't want links that are pro or con the McCanns I want accurate accountings and not biased reports..

 

[blefuscu]

That was their perception of what they thought happened. Not a lie. Not a story.. She just must have thought that is what happened.

Oh so I give you evidence and it's not proof! She who? Several different people said the McCanns said the window was jemmied.

As for lies look at what they said about Madeleine's supposed Coloboma!

 

[blefuscu]

I don't want links that are pro or con the McCanns I want accurate accountings and not biased reports..

I just gave you proof of them lying and you denounced it, even though it's not a small detail to get wrong. It could be vital to the case. But my proof from a variety of sources isn't proof apparently. Meanwhile I'm still waiting for you to give a single piece of evidence that an intruder took Madeleine, please provide that and it's source!

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

I just gave you proof of them lying and you denounced it, even though it's not a small detail to get wrong. It could be vital to the case. But my proof from a variety of sources isn't proof apparently. Meanwhile I'm still waiting for you to give a single piece of evidence that an intruder took Madeleine, please provide that and it's source!

The best is that someone was seen carrying her away.

 

[blefuscu]

The best is that someone was seen carrying her away.

No they weren't. Someone (who wasn't an independent witness) "thought" she saw a stranger carrying a child. This couldn't be corroborated and there is no proof it was Madeleine. If there is proof please provide the source.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

No they weren't. Someone (who wasn't an independent witness) "thought" she saw a stranger carrying a child. This couldn't be corroborated and there is no proof it was Madeleine. If there is proof please provide the source.

She said she saw someone carrying madeleine. She did not realize it at the time. Who would think that? I wouldn't either. It would not occur to you.. But once she knew that Maddie was gone. She knew what she saw.

It does not have to be corroborated for someone to have seen something.

 

[SapphireSteel]

Short of a photo or video of us sleuthers holding a torch up for Gerry to see his way clearly, there is no "proof" that is of a high enough quality for the IDI's.

However, the standard of "proof" required to absolve the McCanns and incriminate Grime and two police forces, is no where near as high.

In fact, it doesn't exist.



I still keep asking...let's stop pulling apart what has already been argued and reargued. Let's have some positive input, some ideas, instead of constantly deconstructing and justifying what evidence we do have.

Thanks.