Madeleine McCann General Discussion Thread #27

[Linda7NJ]

Thanks. At least I know someone reads my posts!

I love when other people post links!




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[Linda7NJ]

Yes, but with basically the whole town looking for it? I don't think it would be that easy to hide, unless it was pre-planned and they already had a good hiding place somewhere. So sad

If the Smiths' sighting was really Gerry, that means he hid her somewhere close at first, within walking distance. Wouldn't the LE have checked every possible place around there?

I just wanted to add.

People out searching don't necessarily search for a dead body.

Speaking for myself, when Autumn Pasquale was missing, I looked for a very much alive child.
And when I went to the command post and they were assigning grids and instructing to look in trash dumpsters, cans etc...I had my son with me and we opted out of that. Instead ... We handed out hundreds of missing flyers at a busy intersection.



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[Donjeta]

What I want to know is, what did the abductor do in the room for 45 minutes or more if he had been there to move the door when Gerry checked and then slammed the door when Kate came back.

 

[CHERIE.T]

For what it's worth, the fact that the McCann's may come across as cold, suspicious, narcissistic, whatever - does not mean that they are guilty. There seems to be spite towards them because they are wealthy. I don't know why that's even relevant.

There's no "rule book" on how to act when your child goes missing. Some parents come across as hysterical, some come across as cold and uncaring - perhaps they have shut down emotionally from the trauma. I don't judge them, because I don't know what it's like and I pray that I never will.

If the McCanns are guilty then SY have a strange way of going about the case. From the Kiesha Weippart case in Oz where the mother was guilty, the police interrogated her and kept her under surveillance. They bugged the house too. They certainly didn't waste time going on national TV with sketches and appeal for information. They did appeal for information very early in the case, until the mother became defensive in the interrogations.

Why waste resources trying to track these people down, if the real culprits are right in front of them. I doubt SY are that stupid.

And why would the McCanns put themselves through this again, when the hype had died down and they had a chance to get on with their lives. Do they enjoy this sort of attention? Do they long to be in jail?

Bringing forward for anyone who missed it. :moo:

 

[nursebeeme]

We are going to continue with one thread for awhile. It's a lot easier to manage since we don't have one assigned moderator for this area.

The snark factor has been pretty high in Madeleine's forum lately. Start treating each other with respect or you might find yourself on the outside looking in.

:tos:
:nurse:

 

[CHERIE.T]

I don't like the pedophilia aspect of this case, especially as it surrounds Payne who is extremely close to Gerry. Payne who spoke of the "pact" and had the early inconsistent/falsified visit with Kate and the children at (gulp) bathtime.

Pedophilia gives motive - someone went too far, Madeleine died.

It is yet another haunting echo of Jonbenet...except they made the mistake of not "losing" the body.

The only problem with this theory is, I don't want to believe it...which makes me no different to 99% of the population of the UK I suppose.

:sick:

We just can't believe something so horrible could be at the centre of this mystery.

Once again where and what is the proof that Maddy is dead?
Tia

 

[CHERIE.T]

What I want to know is, what did the abductor do in the room for 45 minutes or more if he had been there to move the door when Gerry checked and then slammed the door when Kate came back.

Maybe he or she sat there quietly choosing a child.
Maybe he or she heard one of the children tossing
around in bed and waited til they stopped to leave.

We have only guesses. We won't know until a perp comes forward....if then. :moo:

 

[Donjeta]

Maybe he or she sat there quietly choosing a child.
Maybe he or she heard one of the children tossing
around in bed and waited til they stopped to leave.

We have only guesses. We won't know until a perp comes forward....if then. :moo:

He/she had a lot of nerve sitting quietly through all those people going in and out.

I hope the twins were checked for signs of sexual abuse because that's about the only thing I can think of that an abductor might linger for while knowing that someone will pop through the door any minute now.

 

[CHERIE.T]

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for an intruder to enter in the door,due to the nature of the lock there would have been evidence of disruption.
regarding the window: the only fingerprints on the window were from kate, and the fingerprints indicated she was OPENING, not closing the window. this is inconsistent with her saying that the window was open when she entered the room madeleine was missing.
also it would have been impossible for an intruder to get madeleine out of the window without leaving a trace on the bed or window.

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<modsnip>the cadaver dogs, who have never been wrong in over 200 cases smelled a cadaver in the cabinet, behind the sofa, on kate's clothes and on madeleine's toy. they were forced to look at a few other apartments but smelled nothing there.
out of 7 cars the dogs were exposed to, they only smelled the cadaver scent in one of them---the mccann's rented car. explain that.AND all of this was videotaped. gerry mccann claims that the dogs smelling the cadaver scent
'doesn't mean anything!'
kate refused to answer questions at first----why would an innocent mother of a missing child refuse to answer questions unless she has something to hide?????

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NOPE. John Couey kidnapped Jessica Lunsford from HER BED ROOM and left NO EVIDENCE.
Haleigh Cummings disappeared from her home. No unfamiliar evidence...IIRC.

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[CHERIE.T]

He/she had a lot of nerve sitting quietly through all those people going in and out.

I hope the twins were checked for signs of sexual abuse because that's about the only thing I can think of that an abductor might linger for while knowing that someone will pop through the door any minute now.

I too hope all the children were examined.
Please Remember , I can only guess what the perp was doing and where he was hiding.
I can't remember if there was room underneath the beds for a perp to hide or not. The room was quite small..... Trying to figure where someone would hide isn't easy. Didn't the mom during the latest interview say she only glanced in the room the first time she checked on the children? :moo:

 

[Pisces Cloud]

Bringing forward for anyone who missed it. :moo:

When I watched Crimewatch I thought Kate, in particular, had aged more than what you would have expected for someone her age. I could see the stress of it all in her face. I also agree that if they had really done something to harm their daughter they would have dropped all this years ago. I personally think that the only thing that all those involved might collude with to cover something up is that they didn't really check on the children as often as claimed, because they knew it wouldn't look good.

 

[redheadedgal]

John Couey kidnapped Jessica Lunsford from HER BED ROOM and left NO EVIDENCE.
Haleigh Cummings disappeared from her home. No unfamiliar evidence...IIRC.

jessica's grandmother testified that the screen door was cut: http://voices.yahoo.com/jessica-lunsford-trial-opens-florida-230099.html?cat=17

we don't know that an intruder took HC, so, not a good (valid) comparison.

 

[Donjeta]

The police investigating the Haleigh Cummings disappearance have said that the babysitter/dad's gf Misty is the key. She, her brother and Haleigh's dad are in prison for unrelated drug charges now but they've told several different tales about how a cousin threw her in the river, etc. MOO and as always I could be wrong but I think the reason there is no evidence of a stranger intruder in Haleigh's case is because someone who was at home knows what happened to her.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1041660/Pictured-The-bedroom-Madeleine-McCann-met-fate.html

Photos of the McCann flat here.

 

[Pisces Cloud]

Why would there be any evidence if a stranger took less than five minutes to enter an apartment that many people have probably already been in? There wouldn't even have been fingerprints if they had used a handkerchief or something for opening doors. If they were there any longer I still don't see what some people think should have been found to prove to them that someone had abducted the child.

 

[haden]

I'm surprised that in the early days they didn't focus more carefully on the sighting of the man carrying the child towards the beach. Why on earth would you carry a sleeping child to the beach at 10pm? Shouldn't that have stood out as suspicious?

Amaral was too busy trying to fit his ONE THEORY blaming the parents to overcome his big ego and look elsewhere--

 

[haden]

Why would there be any evidence if a stranger took less than five minutes to enter an apartment that many people have probably already been in? There wouldn't even have been fingerprints if they had used a handkerchief or something for opening doors. If they were there any longer I still don't see what some people think should have been found to prove to them that someone had abducted the child.

Maybe there was evidence but it was destroyed? By cleaning the apartment, not even checking for DNA on shutter cord, bed sheets etc..
After apartment was cleaned only few hairs were left.

IMO the main problem is they checked only for finger prints and after speaking with McCanns and friends they decided on the 'parents were involved' theory.

They involved very little of modern science, like mobile phones checking, CCTV checking, DNA checking.. which has to be collected on the DAY 1 or two.. lots of time passed while they were fitting in their theories..

 

[haden]

Posted upthread^^^


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Sorry that was not good enough link, that was some blog. A personal opinion.
Not a link from valuable source.
And even the blog did not say that he was fully cleared..

 

[Donjeta]

If a crime scene is searched and the CCTV etc. investigated badly or not at all, the investigators could potentially miss both clues that point to an intruder and clues that point to family or friends.

 

[CHERIE.T]

When I watched Crimewatch I thought Kate, in particular, had aged more than what you would have expected for someone her age. I could see the stress of it all in her face. I also agree that if they had really done something to harm their daughter they would have dropped all this years ago. I personally think that the only thing that all those involved might collude with to cover something up is that they didn't really check on the children as often as claimed, because they knew it wouldn't look good.

I totally agree with you. I saw only a snip of the interview on the news
and I immediately thought Kate had aged maybe more than normal.

Btw I love your name. :seeya:

 

[Angeline]

What I want to know is, what did the abductor do in the room for 45 minutes or more if he had been there to move the door when Gerry checked and then slammed the door when Kate came back.

I was under the impression that the door slammed shut due to a gust of wind from the opened window (causing Kate to realise that the window was open.)