Madeleine McCann General Discussion Thread #27

[~n/t~]

Did they release other efits? This is the first time I see these on this link.

http://www.todayonline.com/world/europe/madeleine-mccann-new-appeal-gets-overwhelming-response

 

[Donjeta]

I just want to say, reading from Jane Tanner's rogatory....she says the full group arrived at almost 9:00 pm...b/c IIRC Dave and Fiona were late, and then someone (I think Matt) had gone up to check on when they were coming, etc..

Didn't any of them use cell phones? I don't think I would go and check on adults who are a little late for a dinner date. Unless I was standing out there in the dark all by myself I would probably just shrug and enjoy the company that I've already got, figuring that the rest of them are adults and can take care of themselves, perhaps something came up with the kids and they will come when they have the time, no worries. Let's say they're having trouble putting their children to bed I'm just going to make it worse if I go knocking on their door and disturb the family, "aren't you coming yet? aren't you coming yet?"

 

[~n/t~]

Didn't any of them use cell phones? I don't think I would go and check on adults who are a little late for a dinner date. Unless I was standing out there in the dark all by myself I would probably just shrug and enjoy the company that I've already got, figuring that the rest of them are adults and can take care of themselves, perhaps something came up with the kids and they will come when they have the time, no worries. Let's say they're having trouble putting their children to bed I'm just going to make it worse if I go knocking on their door and disturb the family, "aren't you coming yet? aren't you coming yet?"

So true about the cellphones. Seriously, they're checking phone records belonging to the people in the village but yet were any checked of the tapas group?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-24386130

 

[goldengirl57]

Not any different than most interrogative questions imo

IF you have nothing to fear then why not answer them.

 

[goldengirl57]

Crimewatch discrepanices. An interesting read. It starts on the second lot so you need to scroll down to the first part.

http://textusa.blogspot.com.es/

 

[goldengirl57]

So Marias mother was found in bulgaria confirmed by DNA. She gave her to a couple because she couldnt keep her or take her back to bulgaria.

So the Roma couple told the truth all along.

Where does that leave them now then?

Maria: Bulgarian Couple Are Roma Girl's Parents

DNA tests have confirmed that a Bulgarian couple are the biological parents of Maria, the girl found in a Greek Roma camp.

"DNA samples showed that Sasha Ruseva is the biological mother and Atanas Rusev is the biological father of the child called Maria," Bulgaria's interior ministry chief of staff Svetlozar Lazarov told reporters.

Ms Ruseva has said she gave birth to a baby girl four years ago in Greece while working as an olive picker.

She said she gave the child away because she was too poor to care for her. Ms Ruseva insisted she did not get paid for giving up the girl.

However, she had reportedly told one of her neighbours that she had sold the child for the equivalent of around £213,.

She had recognised Maria, when her discovery made headlines around the world.

According to reports Mrs Ruseva, who is married and lives in the central Bulgarian town of Nikolaevo, has between eight and 10 children.

Five of those children are blonde, and even closely resemble the girl found in central Greece last week.

Maria's case came to light when Greek police noticed the lack of resemblance between the blonde girl and the adults she was staying with in Athens.

Today's DNA confirmation comes after police arrested a childless couple in Greece on suspicion of buying a baby Roma girl and trying to register her as their own.

The couple were arrested in Athens after they allegedly paid a Roma woman 4,000 euros (£3,400) for the baby, a Greek police statement said.

Authorities are looking for the baby's birth parents.

The suspects, aged 53 and 48, were expected to be charged with child abduction. Under Greek law this includes cases where a minor is voluntarily given away by its parents outside the legal adoption process.

More follows...

http://news.sky.com/story/1159714/maria-bulgarian-couple-are-roma-girls-parents

 

[Cherwell]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1570315/Madeleine-McCanns-mother-takes-drug-test.html

Please could you give the gist of this article.

The Telegraph is now behind a paywall online to non-subscribers.

We are allowed a few free views per month, but once those have been used up we cannot read any more. As it's near the end of the month, many of us will have used up our free views.

 

[Pisces Cloud]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1570315/Madeleine-McCanns-mother-takes-drug-test.html

It seems that there was a 8 month window for the testing and they were within that. Also, I didn't see anything about Kate's father verifying that the McCanns gave their children sedatives. I find that very hard to believe, to be honest, so I'm going to think he didn't, unless I find it written in the police files somewhere.

Not any different than most interrogative questions imo

Possibly, but if I was innocent, in a foreign country and I thought an incompetent police force was trying to put the blame on me I'd keep my mouth shut too. I'd be surprised, anyway, if she wasn't advised to do that by a solicitor.

 

[Morag]

When British LE was deposing Carole Tranmer, niece of Mrs. Fenn (upstairs lady who heard crying), and the Detective Constable learned that Carole had worked at Windsor Castle for twenty years, he couldn't contain himself. What a Royal fanboy! Part of the transcript:

DC1485'You told me that you worked at Windsor Castle'

CT'Windsor Castle.

DC1485'Did you know the Queen'

CT'Yes. I knew her.

DC1485'Personally or'

CT'All, all, yes. The entire family, the whole royal family, yes.

DC1485'How did that happen'

CT'I worked in the Royal Collection and hummm... I was a personal assistant in the royal library and bookstore. I frequently encountered the royal family in private visits. There was also the Easter Court where the entire Buckingham Palace would usually come. Everyone had a very restricted calendar regarding their duties , thus if anything happened to the royal family, if they brought friends of visitors to Windsor, I had the opportunity to meet them and to show them around.

Dc1485'And did you speak to the Queen or Philip'

CT'Mmm, yes, yes.

DC1485'And Diana, did you know Diana'

CT'No, I never knew Diana. She was not there at the time.

DC1485'That must have been lamentable for you.

CT'Pardon'

DC1485'Of not having the opportunity to meet her' Not having the opportunity to meet her is a shame given what happened to her also.

CT'Yes, yes.

CT'Yes, a tragedy, but it was a good experience working there.

DC1485'Great! It is good that you liked it.

CT'Yes, I liked it.

 

[jigzy]

............. Also, I didn't see anything about Kate's father verifying that the McCanns gave their children sedatives. I find that very hard to believe, to be honest, so I'm going to think he didn't, unless I find it written in the police files somewhere.


.............

I saw him on TV telling about the parents' use of Calpol, that's all. Not getting into the Calpol-as-sedative thing, but just saying.

 

[Meteor]

Interesting developments to say the least.
Little bird whispered in my ear, well in fact two little birds whispered in my ear actually about technique. Can't say too much but indications are that some spinning is going on and we have a 50% fact, 50% fiction scenario aimed at entrapment.
They are looking for responses to the 50% fact and discounting responses to the 50% fiction. I'm told its a way of filtering out the chaff from the wheat.
I see it this way, it's either a whitewash and this bazaar McCann parade will continue or they are going for the whole nine yards.
With both forces active in this case, I suspect the latter. Lets get this over and done with.

 

[Hexe]

Crimewatch discrepanices. An interesting read. It starts on the second lot so you need to scroll down to the first part.

http://textusa.blogspot.com.es/

After seeing again the picture of the children bedroom I'm pretty sure no abduction through the window took place. Just image the abductor, walking with Maddie in his arms, through this tight space between cots, which were, as can you see on the pic, standing very uneven. Yet Mr. Abductor managed to squeeze himself in between of them, then to reach the window, without bumping into the second bed, or the chair, that are blocking the way, open the windw noiselessly, and all of that in the darkness, without waking up any of the three light sleeping children. Houdini, no more, no less.

Another thing. Kate saw the curtains whooshing. Yet on the pic you can see that one curtain is held tightly against the wall by the bed, and another is blocked by the chair. So what was whooshing here, actually?

And the third thing: the door. It's held by the brown cot in the open position, so how could it have been closed, or partially closed, when the McCanns and Oldfield were making the checkups?

 

[Pisces Cloud]

I saw him on TV telling about the parents' use of Calpol, that's all. Not getting into the Calpol-as-sedative thing, but just saying.

Ah, OK, thanks. I thought people were talking about stronger drugs, sedatives meant for adults and such like.

 

[jigzy]

Again, I too sway between outcomes of whitewash versus gotcha!

If the parents 'dunnit', think what help they received from those in high positions; were those people complicit? If that were the case, how could the parents be found guilty without bringing the whole house crashing down, IYKWIM, for I fail to see how they would keep schtum if they knew they were going down; they would want to drag others down too, methinks.

jmo

 

[jigzy]

Ah, OK, thanks. I thought people were talking about stronger drugs, sedatives meant for adults and such like.

Yes, there was a lot of talk about sedatives, and even a syringe (ridiculously placed on the bedside table!), but I've seen nothing reliable.

 

[Hexe]

Yes, there was a lot of talk about sedatives, and even a syringe (ridiculously placed on the bedside table!), but I've seen nothing reliable.

Actually syringe, without needle, is an item that could lay on the bedside table, in a bedroom, used by three toddlers, and there would be nothing ridiculous or evil in it. It's just easier to administer any fluid medication (such as Calpol, for instance) to a toddler, using a syringe, instead of a spoon. At least, when the little patient starts to wave his hands around, you don't end up with the medication on your hair, face and clothes

 

[Meteor]

Again, I too sway between outcomes of whitewash versus gotcha!

If the parents 'dunnit', think what help they received from those in high positions; were those people complicit? If that were the case, how could the parents be found guilty without bringing the whole house crashing down, IYKWIM, for I fail to see how they would keep schtum if they knew they were going down; they would want to drag others down too, methinks.

jmo

It depends how deep the corruption is. I don't think there is corruption but rather just a case of the McCann's defending themselves to the hilt with a fabulous legal team and having the power to cripple anyone who points the finger.
Politically I think it will be put down to a simple 'backed the wrong horse' at the time type of scenario after new evidence is brought into the light.
It will also be turned into a political campaign by the Conservatives to boast that the case was solved under their guidance and you can bet your last dollar the bulk of the action or tasty stuff will appear just before the general election.
I smell something massive coming everyone's way, I really do. I can taste it :fence:

 

[jigzy]

Actually syringe, without needle, is an item that could lay on the bedside table, in a bedroom, used by three toddlers, and there would be nothing ridiculous or evil in it. It's just easier to administer any fluid medication (such as Calpol, for instance) to a toddler, using a syringe, instead of a spoon. At least, when the little patient starts to wave his hands around, you don't end up with the medication on your hair, face and clothes

I am a parent of a sick child with a long term illness and I too use syringes to administer medication, however I cannot say that, after administering it to a child under the age of three, I would leave it on the bedside table, empty or not. If, as we are told, Madeleine slept in her own bed whilst the twins had a cot each, then she would have been able to hop out of bed hand the syringe to one of the twins to suck on, or choke on - in theory.......but then we are dealing with an extraordinary set of Doctors here.

On the subject of the bed: no Madeleine DNA was apparently found in the bed that she supposedly slept in, though I don't have a link to support this. Could it be that Madeleine, during her short stay in PDL, actually slept in one of the COTS and not in the single bed at all? In the airport bus footage she didn't look a great deal bigger than the twins so would fit in there OK. I'm wondering if a stressed out parent did this to secure a hyperactive, crying, upset child who didn't want to be left every night. Just a thought.

jmo

 

[Hexe]

On the subject of the bed: no Madeleine DNA was apparently found in the bed that she supposedly slept in, though I don't have a link to support this. Could it be that Madeleine, during her short stay in PDL, actually slept in one of the COTS and not in the single bed at all? In the airport bus footage she didn't look a great deal bigger than the twins so would fit in there OK. I'm wondering if a stressed out parent did this to secure a hyperactive, crying, upset child who didn't want to be left every night. Just a thought.

jmo

But Maddie was not hyperactive. I read all the statements of the nannies and creche staff from Ocean Club and from England, who had contact with Maddie and not even single person described her as hyperactive. In contrary, she was consistently described as a calm child. In fact the only People that say Maddie was a wild child are her parents.

 

[Donjeta]

It was reported that they didn't take the bedding, just some samples.
Depending on how it was sampled I suppose it's possible for the bed to have contained her DNA even if the samples missed it.

Detectives investigating the case of the missing four-year-old faced renewed criticism after it emerged that they did not collect the bedding from the room where Madeleine was sleeping.

Blankets, sheets and pillows from Madeleine's bed were not examined for evidence that could have shed light on what happened on the night of May 3.

Portugal's National Institute of Legal Medicine said they had received samples taken from the bedding but not the items themselves.

"We were only sent samples for DNA testing.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1569487/Madeleine-McCann-Police-blunders-revealed.html