Madeleine McCann General Discussion Thread #27

[haden]

So you believe the Cdm, but not JM who would actually simply translate that information ....

Also i mentioned yesterday the widow was suing.

This is all supposition, and not coming from PJ, they are swore to secracy....

Cm is just another Star, or mirror......

I agree.. 100%

I don't trust CdM! It is like trusting The Star.. I will amend it is a bad tabloid.

 

[~n/t~]

Today's CdM translation..

ALERT: BAD TABLOID


Correio da Manhã


1 November 2013

Profile led PJ to the abductor of Maddie

The immigrant also showed agressive traits and suspicious behaviour towards children.
The suspect's family refuses to collaborate.

Eduardo Dâmaso/Tânia Laranjo/Ana Isabel Fonseca

An aggressive and conflictual personality and suspicious behaviour towards children led the PJ investigation to the Cabo Verde immigrant, indicated in the abduction and murder of Maddie.

The PJ inspectors, who studied the case and led to it's recent reopening, elaborated a profile of the suspect - who died in 2009 at 40 - and concluded that the traits presented give more strength to the possibility that he was the author of the crime. The PJ, also, had done the same in 2007, when Robert Murat had been made "arguido". The profile had been made with the help of two British criminologists and indicated that the luso-british could be responsible for the disappearance.

As for the Cabo Verde immigrant now being investigated, he had a past marked some violent episodes. He was also involved in a labour conflict, having left in a dispute. This is what happened in the Ocean Clube resort, in Praia da Luz, in Lagos, where the suspect worked. He lost his job a short time before the girl disappeared, 3 May 2007.

The PJ has, during the last few days, attempted to reconstruct the last steps of the suspect and to try to find the places where he could have hidden Madeleine's body, who was 4 at the time of the disappearance. The suspect's family has not collaborated with the PJ, which has hindered the investigation. The wife has not offered any leads as to the last years of the life of her companion. The suspect had a record for theft. In 1996, he received a pardon from the President Jorge Sampaio and was not thrown out of the country.

The Family admits suing for defamation

The family of the man who is suspected of abducting Maddie, has already admitted suing the state, for offense against a deceased person. The wife, who refused to speak to CM, is supposed to have already contacted a lawyer in order to go ahead with a complaint for offenses to the memory of a deceased person. This complaint could come up against the fact that the PJ is only studying one line of investigation, which had already happened in the past. Robert Murat, for example, who had been made arguido, was never compensated for the damages suffered because of the investigation. It would be difficult in the Portuguese judicial system for the widow to prove this, although the closest relatives speak of an enormous "shame" felt by the widow and son.

If true I hope she does sue. What evidence besides being a disgruntled employee and aggressive personality do they have? Like Murat I think this guy is another scapegoat.

 

[~n/t~]

I don't believe in this theory either. But if this employee had some kind of a different mind set up, like mental health problem or comes from the places where there is a 'grudge must be revenged' traditional rule, like in rural Turkey where the personal honour or honour of the family is the main thing, or for example or Albania, they have this thing, Albanians call it 'besa', when someone angers them with something unfair they give 'besa' that they will put things right.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Besa_(Albanian_culture)
I am not saying that this has happened but I am saying that people are different...

But why target the McCanns if it's revenge?

 

[haden]

So you believe the Cdm, but not JM who would actually simply translate that information ....

Also i mentioned yesterday the widow was suing.

This is all supposition, and not coming from PJ, they are swore to secracy....

Cm is just another Star, or mirror......

Last Joana Morais post you posted wasn't a translation.

 

[goldengirl57]

If true I hope she does sue. What evidence besides being a disgruntled employee and aggressive personality do they have? Like Murat I think this guy is another scapegoat.

Poor guy, he has always worked until the day he died. Seems to me he had some ethics.

The media is DISGUSTING it kind of brings out a HYSTERIA, which is totally unhealthy.

Its back again thought it was lost back in 2007/2008 but its come back to haunt us.

Normal people are swollowing vile rubbish from newspapers, making up stories and linking innocent peoples facebook pages and causing more stress.

Young blonde children are being dragged out of their beds by OFFICIAL ABDUCTORS, dont see their family again for days, and perhaps NEVER see their family again.......

Its a kind of madness.

I am finding myself being dragged back into it again, and perhaps its time to quit lol, before I end up with higher blood pressure.

The media STINKS.

 

[haden]

But why target the McCanns if it's revenge?

I said I don't believe in this story. Seems nobody on any forum does, in both camps ))

But I said it is possible logically if his state of mind was either disturbed or under some 'traditional' or similar influence.

In this case the McCanns would just be 'the coincidence'

 

[Veidt]

Regarding the CdM article, I'm sorry but most of what we have so far pointing to this man comes from sources like the CdM and British tabloids. I don't find it surprising the PJ would investigate him, they've run out of leads so of course they're going to investigate everyone who could have done it in any way, if nothing else then just to rule them out.

IMO even if the article is right in claiming that beyond his criminal record for theft that he had a 'violent personality', I feel like someone who was noticeably violent would be more likely to get revenge on former employers through openly aggressive acts. Someone here has mentioned arson and I agree. Or for example, stealing or targeting the higher-ups specifically. I think that this type of crime, something that was so carefully calculated that no vestiges were left behind and nobody was caught, IMO that doesn't seem like someone who would be outwardly aggressive and more like someone who was more meticulous and passive-aggressive if it really was a disgruntled employee and not a pedophile.

I don't believe in this theory either. But if this employee had some kind of a different mind set up, like mental health problem or comes from the places where there is a 'grudge must be revenged' traditional rule, like in rural Turkey where the personal honour or honour of the family is the main thing, or for example or Albania, they have this thing, Albanians call it 'besa', when someone angers them with something unfair they give 'besa' that they will put things right.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Besa_(Albanian_culture)
I am not saying that this has happened but I am saying that people are different...

Why are you bringing up rural Turkey or Albania (?) and their practices, as far as I know the employees who could have done it were Portuguese and there's the Cape Verdian guy. As far as I'm aware, Portugal and Cape Verde are not Albania.

We also don't know the mental health status of this man or of any other employees.

Who did the McCanns befriend in PDL? Just going with your theory. Perhaps either the McCanns or one of the Tapas friends shot their mouth too much at someone they thought they they trusted and told them about leaving the kids alone at night? Perhaps the person wasn't even a local but a tourist with an obsession with little girls madeleines age. The person may have been to PDL before and knew the place well.

As others have pointed out it was well known they left the kids alone that night.

IMO if it was a non-Tapas abductor, that sounds like the most likely scenario to me: someone who had an obsession with little girls and took this chance to kidnap one. Probably someone who seemed otherwise normal or didn't raise suspicions. I can see a tourist doing it, maybe even someone who had been there for a while or goes there yearly, who could have left shortly after without raising any suspicions.

Someone like that would also not raise many eyebrows if they seemed withdrawn and changes in behavior following the abduction would be less noticeable IMO if nobody in the area knew them well enough to notice.

 

[Veidt]

But why target the McCanns if it's revenge?

For what it's worth, it could have been a way to make tourists in general feel unsafe and ruin the business.

However, as I say in my post above... I don't think that someone who was openly aggressive would get their revenge through targeting someone else. That sounds more passive-aggressive to me.

 

[~n/t~]

The daily star link mentioning the alleged suspects name

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/348425/Madeleine-McCann-suspect-was-a-known-criminal

 

[haden]

For what it's worth, it could have been a way to make tourists in general feel unsafe and ruin the business.

However, as I say in my post above... I don't think that someone who was openly aggressive would get their revenge through targeting someone else. That sounds more passive-aggressive to me.

But according to the news, this guys phone also placed him near the apartment at the 'critical' time. This is why he was looked at, in the first place.

With criminal past he would be an obvious point of investigation. In any country and in any case.

 

[goldengirl57]

But why target the McCanns if it's revenge?

ESPECIALLY after he had lost his job appparantly a YEAR before the child went missing, and had been working since then....

Its like being in a pink spinning washing machine i get vertigo as it is lol.

 

[Ellmau]

The suspect had a record for theft.

I think if this guy did it, it would fit more with the disturbed burglary theory than a kidnapping for revenge. (And he may well be a plausible suspect for the burglaries on the complex regardless of whether he was involved with the abduction.)

 

[gord]

who knows - but this is a lead and it must be followed through with phone records checked - who called who - and who called that one

There might be a connection somewhere -

I tend to think less of disgruntled employee seeking revenge to ex employee who had knowledge of access and area who just might have been inclined to either kidnap or worse

There are people out there who do take kids unfortunately what the motivation is highly complex - they take amazing risks once they get going

I read a lot about the evil Robert Black - he would literally just snatch kids at random from the road in daylight - it was how eventually got caught

I am not saying it was this guy - but you cant ignore the fact he appeared to be in the vicinity on the evening ( if phone pings records are true )

Oh and before everyone says parents kill kids too - I know . I just don't think they did in this case so you look elsewhere . The one fact that is 100% correct is that Maddie was taken out of the flat that evening

 

[haden]

The daily star link mentioning the alleged suspects name

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/348425/Madeleine-McCann-suspect-was-a-known-criminal

We know that And a lady cook plus the maintenance man who came to fix the McCanns blinds also have the same surname.

 

[nursebeeme]

attention: discuss the case and not one another and leave the snark out. Everyone is entitled to their opinion here. Also: do not link to facebook pages.

 

[~n/t~]

We know that And a lady cook plus the maintenance man who came to fix the McCanns blinds also have the same surname.

I posted the link because you only quoted the daily star without a link

 

[~n/t~]

who knows - but this is a lead and it must be followed through with phone records checked - who called who - and who called that one

There might be a connection somewhere -

I tend to think less of disgruntled employee seeking revenge to ex employee who had knowledge of access and area who just might have been inclined to either kidnap or worse

There are people out there who do take kids unfortunately what the motivation is highly complex - they take amazing risks once they get going

I read a lot about the evil Robert Black - he would literally just snatch kids at random from the road in daylight - it was how eventually got caught

I am not saying it was this guy - but you cant ignore the fact he appeared to be in the vicinity on the evening ( if phone pings records are true )

Oh and before everyone says parents kill kids too - I know . I just don't think they did in this case so you look elsewhere . The one fact that is 100% correct is that Maddie was taken out of the flat that evening

I googled Robert Black because I had no clue who he was. This guy was a pedophile. He would kidnap and rape the girls. We don't know anything about this suspect except that he allegedly had a criminal record for robbery (?)

 

[haden]

I posted the link because you only quoted the daily star without a link

Thank you!
The story is now in the Times too, quoting 'a paper'.. are they gone tabloid too?
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/article3909265.ece

When there are no news, any news is the news..

I think the CdM needs a stricter regulations on what they publish.. in this case so far they published such rubbish as 'news' probably getting their info from very unreliable sources..

 

[~n/t~]

Thank you!
The story is now in the Times too, quoting 'a paper'.. are they gone tabloid too?
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/article3909265.ece

When there are no news, any news is the news..

I think the CdM needs a stricter regulations on what they publish.. in this case so far they published such rubbish as 'news' probably getting their info from very unreliable sources..

I've seen the story everywhere including the National Post and other news media

http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/1...ing-suspect-after-scouring-telephone-records/

 

[goldengirl57]

But why target the McCanns if it's revenge?

We know that And a lady cook plus the maintenance man who came to fix the McCanns blinds also have the same surname.

Funny enough so does the new PJ cop lol...her name is Helena Monteiro I wonder if she is a distant relative....

Its such a common name.

Like Smith in the UK.