Madeleine McCann General Discussion Thread #27

[goldengirl57]

DEARCHIVING from Joana Morais

http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2013/10/dearchiving.html

Note the last paragraph.

If the reopening of the investigation gives rise to the realization of all the missing steps, if it takes into account all lines of inquiry still outstanding, and answers to all questions, then we can say that the investigation was free and objective, reaching the material truth, then it will be possible to do justice to the child who mysteriously disappeared.

EXACTLY.

When Amaral was taken off the case the case was archived really..........it went no where.

It wasnt Amaral who closed the case he was still busy working on the Smith Sightings.

Maybe if he was allowed to finish he would have felt differently, but at the time he was taken off at the time he was told by a WITNESS that they were 80percent sure they saw GM carrying maddy......

Oh by the way Mr Smith has not changed his statement.......its just kept quiet...

 

[redheadedgal]

Transcript
Rogério Alves ... and the family knows as well that this new line of investigation excludes any responsibility of the parents.

this is the mccann's lawyer speaking, right?

and defense lawyers always tell the truth?? (like when joe tacopina said cadaver dogs hit on lisa irwin's dirty diapers, like when lin wood said the grand jury did not vote to indict the R's...)


this could just be semantics imo.

as in, the new investigation is looking at scenarios other than the mccanns and that's what was told to mr alves/the mccann's.

as in, it's still a possibility but right now, we're looking elsewhere.

 

[goldengirl57]

this is the mccann's lawyer speaking, right?

and defense lawyers always tell the truth?? (like when joe tacopina said cadaver dogs hit on lisa irwin's dirty diapers, like when lin wood said the grand jury did not vote to indict the R's...)


this could just be semantics imo.

as in, the new investigation is looking at scenarios other than the mccanns and that's what was told to mr alves/the mccann's.

as in, it's still a possibility but right now, we're looking elsewhere.

Yes exactly........but then it could be true lol.

 

[haden]

Joana Morais only transcribes ALL information for this case its very useful. She even transcribed this article so we could READ it......


Transcript
Rogério Alves - The reopening of the investigation means that there are new leads, new paths which weren't explored and that now the Judiciary police will undertake a new search, or, rather a new set of investigative lines in order to reach the truth. That's what matters, to reach the truth. The family was informed of this reopening of the process. the family was informed of the reason behind the reopening of the process, and the family knows as well that this new line of investigation excludes any responsibility of the parents.

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'Everyone is getting excited even me that we might find out what happened to Maddy. If the parents are innocent of harming her thats fine by me.....I still will however never forgive them for their terrible parenting but that is how i feel. I have always been on the fence....

BUT they are looking at stuff that MIGHT be of interest it could all turn into NOTHING.

The worrying thing for the McCanns really is the PJ say the investigation by the SY is not nothing to do with their investigation, so are we to assume the SY have not RULED the McCanns out.............:fence:

JM is doesn't translate but posts biased articles on her blog in all of them trying to incriminate the parents.

All I would like to say to JM and her beloved GM are three words: technology, technology and technology.

Agatha Christie times are long gone.. modern policing cases are 99% solved by use of technology. DNA, CCTV, Computer forensics, Mobile technology analysis.
In her newest article for example she implies that Madeleine case is not been solved due to parents and friends not being keen to do a live reconstruction in Portugal.
And there are hordes of same state of mind believers that this is of some importance.
Has she ever heard of computerised reconstruction? And why would the such type of reconstruction be of any importance in this case? Please anyone explain?

 

[CHERIE.T]

Test".........

 

[Donjeta]

No doubt it would be quite useless now but you never know, it might have been worth a try six years ago when everybody had fresh memory and re-enacting the events could have reminded them of some important detail that they overlooked. Perhaps someone saw the shadow of the abductor and at least the time windows when he could have entered the apartment could have been clarified somewhat. I have no idea why they wouldn't do it.

A computerized reconstruction is not the same thing imo because the computer just has the information that has been loaded in the program, it will not suddenly be reminded of anything else of importance they forgot to mention so far.

 

[~n/t~]

JM is doesn't translate but posts biased articles on her blog in all of them trying to incriminate the parents.

All I would like to say to JM and her beloved GM are three words: technology, technology and technology.

Agatha Christie times are long gone.. modern policing cases are 99% solved by use of technology. DNA, CCTV, Computer forensics, Mobile technology analysis.
In her newest article for example she implies that Madeleine case is not been solved due to parents and friends not being keen to do a live reconstruction in Portugal.
And there are hordes of same state of mind believers that this is of some importance.
Has she ever heard of computerised reconstruction? And why would the such type of reconstruction be of any importance in this case? Please anyone explain?

They did do a computerized reconstruction years ago. It was even televised. I'll see if I can find the link

 

[goldengirl57]

JM is doesn't translate but posts biased articles on her blog in all of them trying to incriminate the parents.

IF that was the case then why would she have put up the article saying the McCanns are not implicated etc......

 

[~n/t~]

This is what I found for now. I can't remember if the original aired on 48 hours or dateline.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=M132g4KAfFQ

 

[~n/t~]

JM is doesn't translate but posts biased articles on her blog in all of them trying to incriminate the parents.

All I would like to say to JM and her beloved GM are three words: technology, technology and technology.

Agatha Christie times are long gone.. modern policing cases are 99% solved by use of technology. DNA, CCTV, Computer forensics, Mobile technology analysis.
In her newest article for example she implies that Madeleine case is not been solved due to parents and friends not being keen to do a live reconstruction in Portugal.
And there are hordes of same state of mind believers that this is of some importance.
Has she ever heard of computerised reconstruction? And why would the such type of reconstruction be of any importance in this case? Please anyone explain?

The mccanns were asked to do a reconstruction in 2008 but refused

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/7422787.stm

 

[Cherwell]

As far as I know, there isn't any evidence that the parents sedated the children other than the fact that they are both doctors, vacationing with more doctors. Interesting theory because of the ruckus the previous night, but, no evidence that has been made public

Is it true that the police wanted to test the twins to see if they had been drugged (possibly by an intruder) but the parents refused to allow it? I'm sure I've read that somewhere.

 

[hoshizora]

I'm really curious about the information they have that seems to exclude the McCanns.

Yes but it didnt say excludes the McCanns and their friends did it.

ALSO sometimes these things have a happen of going back round to the beginning.

So they aren't excluded? That's good. They shouldn't be, just based on the statistics of crimes related to children (the perpetrator being a family member or a close friend) and the fact that nothing really rules them out, or at least there isn't extremely overwhelming evidence of an intruder

And I do agree with you that things go back to the beginning. Hopefully they're going through everything differently now that the Tanner sighting has been ruled out.

Let's hope there is some revelations soon. It's been way too long and assuming her parents are involved, her siblings deserve to know what happened to their sister.

 

[goldengirl57]

PJ reconstitutes abduction theory in the Maddie case

by Tânia Laranjo/ Rui Pando Gomes

The reconstitution of Madeleine McCann's disappearance, on May 3, 2007 - which was one of the steps that were never done ​​due to unavailability of the English child's parents and friends who accompanied them at the time of the disappearance - will now be able to be carried out. The family of the girl are already available to cooperate with the Portuguese police, after the authorities demonstrated their intention to follow once again the abduction theory.

Set aside, for the time being, is the hypothesis that it was a negligent homicide - as was defended by the PJ in a first stage of the investigation. The process, as CMTV first reported before yesterday, has also been reopened by the PGR [Attorney General's Office] at the request of the Judiciary Police.

These new steps are part of a far broader investigation, which the PJ has begun two years ago. At that time, the process - although archived - had been handed over to a team of Porto, who reanalyzed the case and understood there were gaps in the investigation.

A little over a month, even before the case had been reopened, the investigators were at the Ocean Club in Praia da Luz. They went back to check the distance at which the group was dining at the moment of the girl's disappearance and, insofar as possible, attempted to make a reconstruction of the events.

The participation of Maddie's parents and their friends in this endeavour is nevertheless crucial to understand exactly what happened. Kate would have been the one who alerted, when she went to the bedroom to check if the children were sleeping. At that time, the group were dining at the restaurant of the tourist resort and they would have already drunk several bottles of wine. All of them guaranteed that they weren't aware of any strange individuals in the surrounding area.

Correio da Manhã, October 25, 2013

I find this very interesting lol. Perhaps the PJ are just being very clever as they want the Tapas 9 back for a reconstruction.....

 

[hoshizora]

Is it true that the police wanted to test the twins to see if they had been drugged (possibly by an intruder) but the parents refused to allow it? I'm sure I've read that somewhere.

From what I've heard, they refused testing for sedatives initially but they did have them tested in November, which is well after the fact and nothing was found (I could be wrong but I'm guessing there won't be traces of sedatives from May when it is November)

About sedatives - In Amaral's documentary, he states that Kate's father has verified that the McCanns gave their children sedatives on occasion. However I have yet to find another source for this so maybe one of the more knowledgable people about this case can clarify if this is true or not.

 

[~n/t~]

THE 48 QUESTIONS KATE DIDN’T ANSWER

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id142.html

 

[Pisces Cloud]

From what I've heard, they refused testing for sedatives initially but they did have them tested in November, which is well after the fact and nothing was found (I could be wrong but I'm guessing there won't be traces of sedatives from May when it is November)

About sedatives - In Amaral's documentary, he states that Kate's father has verified that the McCanns gave their children sedatives on occasion. However I have yet to find another source for this so maybe one of the more knowledgable people about this case can clarify if this is true or not.

It would be interesting to see if that was mentioned in the police files or was something reported by the media.

 

[Pisces Cloud]

THE 48 QUESTIONS KATE DIDN’T ANSWER

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id142.html

Some of those questions are really loaded aren't they? I don't think I'd answer them, either. Some don't even seem to have any relevance whatsoever with regards to the case in hand.

 

[~n/t~]

It would be interesting to see if that was mentioned in the police files or was something reported by the media.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1570315/Madeleine-McCanns-mother-takes-drug-test.html

 

[~n/t~]

Some of those questions are really loaded aren't they? I don't think I'd answer them, either. Some don't even seem to have any relevance whatsoever with regards to the case in hand.

Not any different than most interrogative questions imo

 

[aa9511]

I just want to say, reading from Jane Tanner's rogatory....she says the full group arrived at almost 9:00 pm...b/c IIRC Dave and Fiona were late, and then someone (I think Matt) had gone up to check on when they were coming, etc..

So they're trying to tell us that betweet 9pm and 10pm there so many checks done on the kids? When by their own "times" of checking the kids (30 min), that would have only been 2 checks....one at 9:30 and the last at 10 when Kate found her "missing." Because Dave and Fiona and plus Matt were all there close to 9pm, they would have done the "checking" just by being there, because if there was any kid crying, they would have heard the kid since their rooms were all right there together. IIRC Dave and Fiona were upstairs, but they would have had to come downstairs and past the other rooms to get to the Tapas bar.

So it doesn't make sense that they all come back, and then someone else goes immediately to check on the kids. They would have just asked them, "was everything ok with the kids?" After all, the whole purpose of the checks was not necessarily to physically check on them, by their own admission they were "listening checks" just to make sure no kid has woken up and crying.

They did not make all those checks that night. That was just story they told police, and they had to put extra checks in there to make Jane Tanner's "sighting" at her check credible. Also to act like they were checking on the kids all the time.