Madeleine McCann General Discussion Thread #27

[haden]

Of course it would be kind of annoying to have hired crooked detectives but I don't know how or why their sins would make the Smith sighting any less valuable. It was not a perfume-stealing detective reporting it, it was an Irish family. If it was my missing child and someone said they saw the abductor, I would want it investigated, no matter what.

It was not them who hired them! How would you know which PIs to hire if your own child is missing.

The PIs were hired by Brian Kennedy who paid for them himself, chose them and made them do the search.

And if Irish man claimed that was Gerry he saw and Gerry knew it wasn't him who the old man saw of course he would rubbish the statement. Would you?

 

[CHERIE.T]

Quote by Haden, snipped

No way 7 people would lie about a death of a child to cover another pair.

Correct, imo anyways. There is no way 7 people would cover up and lie about Maddie's death...not for the McCanns or each other. The Tapas group had nothing to cover up because they nor the McCanns had anything to do with the child's disappearance.


I believe there was a preplanned action to kidnap Maddie by strangers.
A kidnapping made for wicked reasons.
That being said, I'm still reading old threads and articles to learn and relearn about this case.

 

[Jmoose]

Last post of the night. I found this interesting, given what was said about this latest story about Maria and Clarence Mitchell in the last few pages.

Madeline McCann: Police hunt three 'gypsies' seen lurking near holiday apartment

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeline-mccann-police-hunt-three-2644559

Police are hunting three men said to be gypsies seen lurking near Madeleine McCann’s holiday apartment before her disappearance, the Sunday People can reveal.

Interesting- Surely they can't be responsible for all of the crimes attributed to them! I know that in Europe, it's a problem, but as an American, I am just not well informed enough to know how big the problem is. When my daughter moved to Prague for a while, she was warned about gypsie pickpockets, but not told of other types of crimes which may be committed. I had my driveway here in New York paved by a 'gypsie' company, and they did a great job-but the 'travelers' who showed up at my house wanting to inspect and clean my chiminey got told in no uncertain terms to 'get lost'. Can it really be that bad there?

 

[SapphireSteel]

7 people are "lying" or the entire PJ, the dogs, Catriona Baker, Kate's father, the Smiths and the McCanns personal investigators are lying?

Hm....

AFAIK no one else had anything invested in Madeleine's disappearance.

A bunch of professionals trying to do their jobs.

But they're all lying right? Even the dogs and PC Martin Grime?

Oh kay.

Tell me - why do YOU think the McCanns supressed the results of their own investigation?

 

[SapphireSteel]

Interesting- Surely they can't be responsible for all of the crimes attributed to them! I know that in Europe, it's a problem, but as an American, I am just not well informed enough to know how big the problem is. When my daughter moved to Prague for a while, she was warned about gypsie pickpockets, but not told of other types of crimes which may be committed. I had my driveway here in New York paved by a 'gypsie' company, and they did a great job-but the 'travelers' who showed up at my house wanting to inspect and clean my chiminey got told in no uncertain terms to 'get lost'. Can it really be that bad there?

There's no gypsies in Australia and we still have plenty of crime.

We have no McCanns though, therefore no children vanishing from hotel rooms.

 

[CHERIE.T]

The one thing about the parents I'm concerned about is them not cooperating with LE.

 

[Donjeta]

It was not them who hired them! How would you know which PIs to hire if your own child is missing.

The PIs were hired by Brian Kennedy who paid for them himself, chose them and made them do the search.

And if Irish man claimed that was Gerry he saw and Gerry knew it wasn't him who the old man saw of course he would rubbish the statement. Would you?

I don't see how who hired them matters when it comes to the Smith sighting.

The way I see it: Let's say that one of the witnesses thinks that it looked like me. I know it wasn't me because I wasn't there. But the family definitely saw someone with a child. (It seems unlikely that they would all be lying.) Since I know it wasn't me I believe it might be the abductor. There is an e-fit and it looks a bit like me but is a different person. So maybe the abductor looks a bit like me. I have a missing child. This means that it's important to get the information out there. It's not a good idea to get huffy and rubbish important witnesses who may be the last people to see my daughter.

 

[SapphireSteel]

Why didn't Gerry speak of the efits in his blog?

 

[Hexe]

When was that? I thought Oldfield lived in a completely different town?

It was not a close friends group who meet often. Fullstop.

Well, it seems good ole' Matt was trying to downplay his relationship with the McCanns. In his second statement he said:

In respect of the McCanns (Gerald and Kate), the deponent clarifies that he has known them only for about four years, since the wedding of David and Fiona Payne which took place in the summer of 2003 in Italy.

As we know from the other statements of the Tapas Group and from Oldfield's own rogatory, that he knew Gerry, Russel, David, Fiona ans Kate from the time he studied medicine. And then he was working together with G. McCann in Leicester.

Also, where he states in rogatory that he didn't have any contact with McCanns after that wedding, just kept hearing about them through Paynes and the other couple, his wife states in her rogatory, that they were seeing McCanns along with Paynes (and never without them). Interesting, I'd say.

 

[Jmoose]

Yes the daily telegraph mentioned the story and the daily star, one of the bad tabloids.

This might be good for haters who like to smear the parents.. but the police seams has passed this step and is no longer looking at the parents.. so now only the bad parenting can be used for smearing

Regarding the actual search for Madeleine there are news that SY is to travel to Portugal to interview some more witnesses

I don't hate them-I hardly know them! I just haven't seen enough alternative evidence to absolutely exclude them, since you always start at the parents first.

 

[SapphireSteel]

I love how the McCann supporters can sledge any one who questions them as "haters" yet seem fine about sledging

The PJ
Amaral
The dogs
Martin Grime

etc

But that's "different" right? When its YOU who are doing the hating towards the non-McCann?

 

[SapphireSteel]

I think someone who donated for The Fund should sue the McCann for fraud.

They accepted money, spent it, then hid what the results were.

That sounds like fraud to me.

 

[Hexe]

Interesting- Surely they can't be responsible for all of the crimes attributed to them! I know that in Europe, it's a problem, but as an American, I am just not well informed enough to know how big the problem is. When my daughter moved to Prague for a while, she was warned about gypsie pickpockets, but not told of other types of crimes which may be committed. I had my driveway here in New York paved by a 'gypsie' company, and they did a great job-but the 'travelers' who showed up at my house wanting to inspect and clean my chiminey got told in no uncertain terms to 'get lost'. Can it really be that bad there?

Well, I'm pretty sure that the Gypsies do not steal the children. I haven't seen even one documented case of that and seriously in Poland it is hard to live anywhere far from some Gypsy community. So I think that the linked article uses the stereotypes, unnecesarily heats the atmosphere and helps to grow the prejudices. Nothing more.

 

[haden]

7 people are "lying" or the entire PJ, the dogs, Catriona Baker, Kate's father, the Smiths and the McCanns personal investigators are lying?

Hm....

AFAIK no one else had anything invested in Madeleine's disappearance.

A bunch of professionals trying to do their jobs.

But they're all lying right? Even the dogs and PC Martin Grime?

Oh kay.

Tell me - why do YOU think the McCanns supressed the results of their own investigation?

Why you say entire PJ, entire PJ does not mean Amaral.
PJ has distanced themselves from Amaral now and they are if you have3n't noticed now looking for an abductor because they have strong leads pointing them in that direction.

Your story you keep repeating is an old story. History. The police investigation is fresh now and has moved away from the old theories.

Do you know why? Because they now use modern methods of policing. Not just theories but also proofs, like mobile phones, bank transactions, maybe even CCTVs outside of PDL.. New leads.

The investigation has passed that level where you are still stuck because they maybe have information that is privy to them but not available to us.

Do you realise that we don't have the full picture? We don't know why this or that had happened because we simply have no access of the all info.

I say to you.. please please give the PJ some time and SY too.. and we will see where they come to.. I am sure they are close to maybe resolving this case !

 

[SapphireSteel]

Why you say entire PJ, entire PJ does not mean Amaral.
PJ has distanced themselves from Amaral now and they are if you have3n't noticed now looking for an abductor because they have strong leads pointing them in that direction.

Your story you keep repeating is an old story. History. The police investigation is fresh now and has moved away from the old theories.

Do you know why? Because they now use modern methods of policing. Not just theories but also proofs, like mobile phones, bank transactions, maybe even CCTVs outside of PDL.. New leads.

The investigation has passed that level where you are still stuck because they maybe have information that is privy to them but not available to us.

Do you realise that we don't have the full picture? We don't know why this or that had happened because we simply have no access of the all info.

I say to you.. please please give the PJ some time and SY too.. and we will see where they come to.. I am sure they are close to maybe resolving this case !

Scuse me?

Is it you that has been posting FACTS NOT SPIN patiently on this thread for 4 years now, often as THE ONLY ONE who still thought the McCanns were involved?

Do you know how many times I have answered the endless pro McCann grilling and attacks on the PJ, Amaral, the dogs etc?

Do you know how much "hating" I have endured on this forum, simply because I trust my own instincts rather than PR?

:facepalm:

 

[haden]

I don't see how who hired them matters when it comes to the Smith sighting.

The way I see it: Let's say that one of the witnesses thinks that it looked like me. I know it wasn't me because I wasn't there. But the family definitely saw someone with a child. (It seems unlikely that they would all be lying.) Since I know it wasn't me I believe it might be the abductor. There is an e-fit and it looks a bit like me but is a different person. So maybe the abductor looks a bit like me. I have a missing child. This means that it's important to get the information out there. It's not a good idea to get huffy and rubbish important witnesses who may be the last people to see my daughter.

But they the same time had their friend who claimed to see their child being carried by a completely different person, with longer hair and it was just next to the apartments. They decided to believe the friend and look for THAT person. The Scotland Yard then found the longer hair man. and he was no longer a suspect.

 

[Donjeta]

But it is now being taken seriously after a four-year-old blonde girl was last week found living with gypsies, who had bought her for just £750 in Greece.

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http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeline-mccann-police-hunt-three-2644559

The sighting might be relevant, or no, but I don't think the girl found in Greece has any bearing to what happened to Madeleine. It was reported that her mother was a Bulgarian Roma prostitute who left an unwanted baby with a local Roma family. An unfortunate situation but nothing to do with Madeleine, completely different circumstances.

 

[haden]

Scuse me?

Is it you that has been posting FACTS NOT SPIN patiently on this thread for 4 years now, often as THE ONLY ONE who still thought the McCanns were involved?

Do you know how many times I have answered the endless pro McCann grilling and attacks on the PJ, Amaral, the dogs etc?

Do you know how much "hating" I have endured on this forum, simply because I trust my own instincts rather than PR?

:facepalm:

But now you are going against the current belief of 2 police forces.. who have lots of more info than we do.

 

[haden]

I don't believe in these 'taken by a gypsy' theories. The papers are writing these stories because no info is coming from the real investigators.

And this is how it should be. The media should leave detectives to work, leave them alone.. and wait until they have something to say..

 

[Donjeta]

But they the same time had their friend who claimed to see their child being carried by a completely different person, with longer hair and it was just next to the apartments. They decided to believe the friend and look for THAT person. The Scotland Yard then found the longer hair man. and he was no longer a suspect.

Which brings us to my original point. Everyone should be kicking themselves for overlooking an important sighting but apparently they're not, the statement from the fund says that all information was acted upon where necessary.

Which is clearly not true if they were running after the wrong dog and tossed the real sighting aside and possibly delayed finding Madeleine for five years.