Madeleine McCann General Discussion Thread #27

[Linda7NJ]

I can see how it might be easier for very young children just to use the same brush until they're older.

Easier, maybe... but it's not hygienic and I can not believe doctors would encourage it.


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[~n/t~]

Why didn't they use "cuddle cat"?

Quoting myself. Kate washed cuddle cat because it smelled of sun tan lotion. Sound familiar? :scared:

 

[Donjeta]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1269363/McCanns-beg-police-start-search-Madeleine.html

I can't really believe that these children all shared clothing and shoes either... they are not the same size... and would any parents make a child wear their sibling's dirty underwear even if they were the same size?

 

[Linda7NJ]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1269363/McCanns-beg-police-start-search-Madeleine.html

I can't really believe that these children all shared clothing and shoes either... they are not the same size... and would any parents make a child wear their sibling's dirty underwear even if they were the same size?

They wouldn't!


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[gord]

I believe feet on the ground aren't a requirement for a scent trail. Those odors & scent particulates are falling to the ground regardless if the person is walking or if the person is being carried.
I'm also saying, I can not be sure what the McCanns provided as a scent article belonged to Madeleine solely considering that they claim the children shared everything right down to a single toothbrush.


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The GNR were given something that Maddie used a blanket or piece of clothing - I read it in the witness files

sure yes the McCann's could have thrown the GNR by offering a false piece of clothing .

So I believe that the dogs did pick up a scent - who's ? - we can only speculate as we all know dogs have this tendency not to speak

I still think that even if Maddie was carried she might still leave a scent - maybe a weak one - I know Hayden believes that Maddy had to walk to leave a scent as they were tracker dogs scenting below - not so sure

But it is entirely possible that a lone abductor who had access and knowledge of the layout and knowledge of the area and also a car could be in and out in minutes and I mean minutes

 

[Pisces Cloud]

Easier, maybe, but stupid and neglectful. I'm sure they could afford a toothbrush for each of their three children. A shared toothbrush is a source of infection and if one of them has got the caries bacteria the rest of them will too. Two doctors know better.

JMO.

I was just pointing out that some parents can be lazy, particularly if they're in a rush, and it doesn't mean that they're lying just because they're doctors.

 

[gord]

It's just another of those things that make me very suspicious!


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does anyone know where these " facts " like the one toothbrush , or Gerry returning to get a DNA sample came from ?? A lot of myths have became facts over the years - not saying this is just where does it all come from

I mean if Gerry had done it he could have returned with a DNA sample of anyone just to throw even more

 

[gord]

I was just pointing out that some parents can be lazy, particularly if they're in a rush, and it doesn't mean that they're lying just because they're doctors.

yes it might seem odd - but do we know it is true - where did it come from - what does it mean anyway

 

[Donjeta]

I was just pointing out that some parents can be lazy, particularly if they're in a rush, and it doesn't mean that they're lying just because they're doctors.

Believe me, I do understand laziness but as a lazy person I don't really see how having only one toothbrush saves time and trouble anyway. It takes about as much time to brush three kids teeth using one toothbrush as it takes to brush three kids teeth using three toothbrushes. It could take even more time as you have to wait for the toothbrush to be freed again and do it one after another and two sets of teeth can't be brushed at the same time. Buying and packing three toothbrushes can be done in about the same time as one.
And it doesn't save money either, as the toothbrush that is used by three kids probably has to be replaced more often.

 

[Inana]

< respectfully snipped for relevance >

No way was evidence planted. IIRC, in July, the dogs gave several alerts in and around the apartment including but not limited to behind the sofa and in the parents' closet. In August, the cadaver dog alerted on the exterior of their rented Renault and inside the boot where the McCann's claimed rotten meat and soiled diapers had been leaking. When tested, it was found to actually be little Maddie's spinal fluid. Let that sink in a minute.

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How was it confirmed to be little Maddie's spinal fluid?

 

[gord]

How was it confirmed to be little Maddie's spinal fluid?

Complete rubbish - spinal fluid !!

The FSS statements and emails have been posted here many times

The DNA fragments were inconclusive as to who let alone what it was - there was no smoking gun !!

If the police had found spinal fluid they would doing porridge in some Lisbon nick by now

 

[Linda7NJ]

Complete rubbish - spinal fluid !!

The FSS statements and emails have been posted here many times

The DNA fragments were inconclusive as to who let alone what it was - there was no smoking gun !!

If the police had found spinal fluid they would doing porridge in some Lisbon nick by now

I have no idea where that info came from?? Been looking for the source myself


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[gord]

I have no idea where that info came from?? Been looking for the source myself


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one of the things about this case unlike many is that most of the PJ files were released to the public - not all

I have probably read most of the translations. we saw the emails from the FSS directly discussing the results of all DNA testing - It was very clear

 

[Veidt]

He may well be prejudiced against gypsies, of course, but looking at his statement he is quite specific about one incident of three gypsies attempting to steal firewood - it sounds as if he disturbed them. I'm sure it has nothing to do with Madeleine's disappearance, but I would have mentioned it if asked about suspicious people or incidents.

I was agreeing with you, the prejudice thing was just me going off on a tangent - as prejudiced as his comment was, it doesn't sound out of character at all. If he had a prejudice against gypsies then he probably thought he was being helpful by bringing up something that he with all his prejudice thought would be useful information for LE. I don't think he was necessarily trying to deflect the blame from himself.

If I was questioned by police about a crime I'd try to be as thorough as possible in remembering anything I thought could be of use. If I saw a strange van cruising around my neighborhood and then months later LE was looking for a missing kid in the area I'd bring it up even if it had no connection, for example.

IIRC that was one theory put out there by the McCanns. The abductor was hiding in the apartment.

I was just replying to someone else who suggested the abductor could have hidden with Madeleine, I wasn't necessarily agreeing or disagreeing with the idea of the abductor hiding.

I don't believe there was any abduction. Three kids to choose from; Madeleine being the farthest away from the door. No window abduction, I still am of the most humble opinion there was no abduction; but a cover up. And; not a very good one. You'd think Scotland Yard could do better. But so far, not imo.

For what it's worth, IF there was an abduction, the perp could have chosen Madeleine specifically for her age. Sometimes pedophiles have specific age preferences, not to mention kidnapping a baby like the twins would have been harder - Maddie could have woken up and described what she saw, plus a crying baby is harder to silence than a child who can understand what you're saying and who can be threatened or lied to as a result.

 

[Pisces Cloud]

does anyone know where these " facts " like the one toothbrush , or Gerry returning to get a DNA sample came from ?? A lot of myths have became facts over the years - not saying this is just where does it all come from

I mean if Gerry had done it he could have returned with a DNA sample of anyone just to throw even more

Kate mentioned this in her book with regards to the initial search. It seems that some of Madeleine's clothes were offered.

I recall one of the GNR patrol officers asking us for some of Madeleine’s
clothing or belongings to enable these dogs to identify her scent. I fetched the
pink princess blanket she took to bed with her every night, which they took,
and some of her clothes, which they didn’t.

 

[Cappuccino]

I know this is a radical notion, but maybe....just maybe, dogs are not infallible.

 

[gord]

Kate mentioned this in her book with regards to the initial search. It seems that some of Madeleine's clothes were offered.

yes I know that the GNR where given items of clothing and a blanket etc

it was the one where Gerry went back to the UK specifically to get an item for DNA comparison

 

[Hexe]

No you make good points, its just a theory like anyones, but for me if it was an abduction someone like a maintenance man will have all the access they want, and would know where to hide someone.

The dogs indicating to the apartment above is in the files. It was totally DISMISSED on most forums as there was rotten food found in the fridge so of course the highly trained dogs were smelling that.

This apartment, 5J, was not rented out by Mark Warner and the staff did not have the key to it. And it was the second door from 5H, Payne's apartment, that also got some interest from the dog. And that I find very interesting. I always thought David Payne knows more than the other members of the Tapas 7, I was also always suspicious of that visit of his in the McCanns apartment on the evening Maddie was allegedly abducted. Both him and Kate tried to downplay that. Why? Also, we have to remember that David Payne is virtually Murat's alike. It is the reason Murat was fingered by some members of the Tapas 7? Was he seen doing something weird that night?

Now, getting back to the 5J flat. I would love to know who actually owned it and who had the key.

 

[Pisces Cloud]

yes I know that the GNR where given items of clothing and a blanket etc

it was the one where Gerry went back to the UK specifically to get an item for DNA comparison

Sorry, my post mainly concerned trying to sort out fact from fiction with regards to some of the comments about sharing clothes, toothbrushes etc.

 

[~n/t~]

does anyone know where these " facts " like the one toothbrush , or Gerry returning to get a DNA sample came from ?? A lot of myths have became facts over the years - not saying this is just where does it all come from

I mean if Gerry had done it he could have returned with a DNA sample of anyone just to throw even more

The only statement I could find was from pat brown and she has GM's comment in quotes. I'm not sure where she got that info. My guess would be from Amaral.

http://steelmagnolia-steelmagnolia.blogspot.ca/2011/06/gerry-mccanns-lie-about-children.html