Madeleine McCann General Discussion Thread No. 20

[colomom]

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article3327947.ece

Very interesting article on Metodo 3

 

[ThoughtFox]

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article3327947.ece

Very interesting article on Metodo 3

Thanks, colomom - that's a good read. They certainly are slippery with the facts, and none of their claims are confirmed. Even the story that they tracked down a notorious criminal ends with the fact that he was never caught although they "tracked" him to Paris. But where's the proof of that?

My favorite quotes:

"It is not clear whether this is where the hotlines for any information about Madeleine are answered. Opposite the boardroom is an open-plan area of around half a dozen cubicles, equipped with banks of phones and computers. Most are empty when I arrive; admittedly it is lunch time. But I cannot ask about this. "

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". . . after talking to Marco for half an hour, I conclude that what motivates him – as much as, if not more than, his professed desire to present Madeleine with the doll he boasts he carries around in his briefcase to hand to her when he finds her – is a sense of self-regard, self-publicity and money."

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". . . when I ask him to elaborate on the 23 missing children his mother is reported to have said the agency has located in the past, Marco eases himself away from the table for the first time, tilting far back in his chair. He cannot talk about that on the grounds of confidentiality, he says. Shortly after this, his cousin Jose Luis, who has sat mostly silent until now, calls time on the interview with a chopping motion of his hand."

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"None (of the other Barcelona detectives) believe M-3’s claims that it has 40 people working on the hunt for Madeleine, since the maximum number M-3 employs in its Barcelona office, they believe, is a dozen, with another few in its Madrid branch.

But again, I point out, it could have any number of operatives working for it in other countries, namely Portugal and Morocco. My comment draws a weary smile. Metodo 3 company records for the six years up to 2005 appear to show a decline in the number of permanent employees listed – from 26 in 1999to just 12 in 2005."

 

[april4sky]

Madeleine's Face In Thousands Of Stamps

http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30100-1304957,00.html

A retired art teacher is trying to help the search for Madeleine McCann by creating a picture of the missing four-year-old using postage stamps.

 

[Shazza]

Madeleine's Face In Thousands Of Stamps

http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30100-1304957,00.html

A retired art teacher is trying to help the search for Madeleine McCann by creating a picture of the missing four-year-old using postage stamps.

A great idea to keep Madelaines face out there and all over the world.

 

[april4sky]

A great idea to keep Madelaines face out there and all over the world.

Hi Shazza

It's very clever. And anything that keeps Madeleines face out there can only help.

 

[april4sky]

Madeleine Cops Set To 'Shut The Case'

http://news.sky.com/skynews/madeleine

The police probe into the disappearance of British four-year-old Madeleine McCann is nearing its end, Portugal's justice minister has revealed.
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:waitasec: The search for Madeleine?

 

[Seeker]

Police too hasty in making McCanns suspects: Portuguese chief

LISBON (AFP) - Portuguese police admitted Sunday they had been hasty in making the parents of missing toddler Madeleine McCann official suspects in the case.

Alipio Ribeiro, national director of the Policia Judiciaria, told Radio Renascenca and the Publico newspaper there was "certain hastiness" in making Gerry and Kate McCann "arguidos", or formal suspects.



So the McCanns were there from May-September? 4 months they stayed there after their daughter was taken? If they were guilty IMO they would have hi-tailed it out of there as quickly as possible not stayed around for 4 months afterwards.

 

[Shazza]

Maddie case to finish soon.

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=295152


Hello April long time no talk.:blowkiss:

 

[txsvicki]

I'm occasionally reading things here that I haven't seen discussed much. Quite a few posts back, and maybe on a different thread someone said that Madeline's spinal fluid was found in the vehicle. Was there any talk of this and how they knew it was spinal fluid? I'm just wondering how spinal fluid would be there unless it was a head injury?

 

[colomom]

in Sol online:

http://sol.sapo.pt/PaginaInicial/Sociedade/Interior.aspx?content_id=80243&dossier=Madeleine

Copied from: http://helpmadeleine.proboards79.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&thread=1202919716 post #9

Madeleine case
Justice Minister considers it's "premature" to speak of the failure of the investigation

The Justice Minister, Alberto Costa, considered today it was "premature" to announce the failure of the investigation into the Madeleine case and defended that the development of the process should be awaited "without noise"

"We should await the development of the process without noise and we should not be premature in marking the outcome of the process", Alberto Costa said during the First Parliamentary Comission about the controversial statements that were made by the national director of the Policia Judiciaria (PJ) concerning the case of the English child that disppeared in the Algarve in May 2007.

The national director of the PJ, Alipio Ribeiro, stated, during an interview, that there may have been precipitation in the constitution of Kate and Gerry McCann, the child's parents, into arguidos.

When questioned by Nuno Melo, an MP from CDS/PP, about the truthfulness of Alipio Ribeiro's statements, the minister was peremptory: "I don't know, I don't want to know, and I cannot know whether they are false or true".

In another phase of the audition, which had been requested by CDS/PP, Alberto Costa remembered that "as a member of government, he never publicly comments on statements from persons who depend from him".

Earlier, the minister had guaranteed to the MP's in the Parliamentary Comission for Constitutional Matters that the comment from the PJ's top official had not affected "the superior course of the process" and that he has no indication that there may have been a "violation of the judicial secrecy".

Aguiar Branco, an MP from PSD, criticised that the Minister of Justice and communist MP Antonio Filipe - who dismissed the initiative from CDS/PP as "noise" - had diminished the value of Alipio Ribeiro's statements.

"We are playing with fire. There is an ongoing dismissal of the statements that are made by judicial agents within this Commission", the former Justice Minister said, also referring to the parliamentary audition of the Public Prosecutor, Pinto Ribeiro, about his statements concerning phone tapping.

Like Helena Pinto, from Bloco de Esquerda, Aguiar Branco considered that the minister only gave "procedural justifications".

"This is not a technical issue. The problem is one of political management of the situation", Aguiar Branco said, questioning whether the minister considered that Alipio Ribeiro's words were "innocuous".

The social-democrat MP insisted that this is "a problem of institutional trust", and that it was necessary to "draw political consequences from the statements".

Nuno Melo also criticised the alleged attempt to dismiss Alipio Ribeiro's statements, mentioning that those "had consequences on the credibility of Justice" and "external and internal" repercussions on the image of criminal investigation and of the country itself.

 

[Texana]

"precipitation" in naming them arguidos could mean many things. It could mean that while the PJ thinks that the McCanns are responsible, they simply don't have enough hard evidence to assure a conviction--The DNA traces in the rental car may be absolutely sure, but the chain of or contact as to when exactly it happened and whether or not it can be tied specifically to the McCanns may be far less concrete.

 

[april4sky]

Police too hasty in making McCanns suspects: Portuguese chief

LISBON (AFP) - Portuguese police admitted Sunday they had been hasty in making the parents of missing toddler Madeleine McCann official suspects in the case.

Alipio Ribeiro, national director of the Policia Judiciaria, told Radio Renascenca and the Publico newspaper there was "certain hastiness" in making Gerry and Kate McCann "arguidos", or formal suspects.



So the McCanns were there from May-September? 4 months they stayed there after their daughter was taken? If they were guilty IMO they would have hi-tailed it out of there as quickly as possible not stayed around for 4 months afterwards.

Absolutely right Seeker.:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

 

[april4sky]

I'm occasionally reading things here that I haven't seen discussed much. Quite a few posts back, and maybe on a different thread someone said that Madeline's spinal fluid was found in the vehicle. Was there any talk of this and how they knew it was spinal fluid? I'm just wondering how spinal fluid would be there unless it was a head injury?

I think this was just another wild rumour against the McCanns that came to nothing. If the PLE had Madeleines spinal fluid from the car it would prove she's dead. And this case would have been solved.

 

[april4sky]

"precipitation" in naming them arguidos could mean many things. It could mean that while the PJ thinks that the McCanns are responsible, they simply don't have enough hard evidence to assure a conviction--The DNA traces in the rental car may be absolutely sure, but the chain of or contact as to when exactly it happened and whether or not it can be tied specifically to the McCanns may be far less concrete.

And it could mean there was a rush to judgement, which I believe, because they felt under pressure to solve this case due to the worldwide interest that also put them in the spotlight.

 

[Barnaby]

It would be a complete tragedy if this case were to be closed without further investigation of the Tapas 9!

 

[colomom]

No matter what anybody says the fact remains, The McCanns are accountable to the law for the serial neglect of their child. They have also violated her human rights and as Maddie is/was a UK citizen the UK government has failed to uphold her human rights:

http://www.unhchr.ch/html/menu3/b/25.htm

Declaration of the Rights of the Child

(Proclaimed by General Assembly resolution 1386(XIV) of 20 November 1959)

Now therefore,

The General Assembly

Proclaims this Declaration of the Rights of the Child to the end that he may have a happy childhood and enjoy for his own good and for the good of society the rights and freedoms herein set forth, and calls upon parents, upon men and women as individuals, and upon voluntary organizations, local authorities and national Governments to recognize these rights and strive for their observance by legislative and other measures progressively taken in accordance with the following principles:

Principle 1

The child shall enjoy all the rights set forth in this Declaration. Every child, without any exception whatsoever, shall be entitled to these rights, without distinction or discrimination on account of race, colour, sex, language, religion, political or other opinion, national or social origin, property, birth or other status, whether of himself or of his family.

Principle 2

The child shall enjoy special protection, and shall be given opportunities and facilities, by law and by other means, to enable him to develop physically, mentally, morally, spiritually and socially in a healthy and normal manner and in conditions of freedom and dignity. In the enactment of laws for this purpose, the best interests of the child shall be the paramount consideration.

Principle 3

The child shall be entitled from his birth to a name and a nationality.

Principle 4

The child shall enjoy the benefits of social security. He shall be entitled to grow and develop in health; to this end, special care and protection shall be provided both to him and to his mother, including adequate pre-natal and post-natal care. The child shall have the right to adequate nutrition, housing, recreation and medical services.

Principle 5

The child who is physically, mentally or socially handicapped shall be given the special treatment, education and care required by his particular condition.

Principle 6

The child, for the full and harmonious development of his personality, needs love and understanding. He shall, wherever possible, grow up in the care and under the responsibility of his parents, and, in any case, in an atmosphere of affection and of moral and material security; a child of tender years shall not, save in exceptional circumstances, be separated from his mother. Society and the public authorities shall have the duty to extend particular care to children without a family and to those without adequate means of support. Payment of State and other assistance towards the maintenance of children of large families is desirable.

Principle 7

The child is entitled to receive education, which shall be free and compulsory, at least in the elementary stages. He shall be given an education which will promote his general culture and enable him, on a basis of equal opportunity, to develop his abilities, his individual judgement, and his sense of moral and social responsibility, and to become a useful member of society.

The best interests of the child shall be the guiding principle of those responsible for his education and guidance; that responsibility lies in the first place with his parents.

The child shall have full opportunity for play and recreation, which should be directed to the same purposes as education; society and the public authorities shall endeavour to promote the enjoyment of this right.

Principle 8

The child shall in all circumstances be among the first to receive protection and relief.

Principle 9

The child shall be protected against all forms of neglect, cruelty and exploitation. He shall not be the subject of traffic, in any form.

The child shall not be admitted to employment before an appropriate minimum age; he shall in no case be caused or permitted to engage in any occupation or employment which would prejudice his health or education, or interfere with his physical, mental or moral development.

Principle 10

The child shall be protected from practices which may foster racial, religious and any other form of discrimination. He shall be brought up in a spirit of understanding, tolerance, friendship among peoples, peace and universal brotherhood, and in full consciousness that his energy and talents should be devoted to the service of his fellow men.

 

[iNTERESTEDWOMAN]

Yes, while they *might* not have murdered her, the McCanns are ultimately responsible for her demise. Harm came to her while she was neglected by her parents. The McCanns premeditated leaving her and her siblings alone, they admitted to leaving them alone, they admitted to leaving them alone on several occasions, and now she's gone. Poor baby. No matter how you slice it, and no matter how many people defend them to the end, the FACT is, without a shadow of a doubt, Madeleine would be alive and safe and here today if her parents would have gave priority to their children. They are guilty for Madeleine's death and/or kidnapping. They are guilty as sin.

One thing is for sure, according to the McCanns religious beliefs, they will stand before their maker on Judgement day, and thankfully for them, Christ died for their sins. Unfortunately, Poor Maddie died because of them.

 

[colomom]

Before anyone writes about the "sighting" in France last week:

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5i8IURKRaEgI3P3hj53sMZ5EvQcqgD8UUA4P01
http://the3arguidos.net/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4355
http://www.kidnapping.be/maddie/maddie.html (will need to translate)

 

[colomom]

http://www.thesargeants.net/dblog/articolo.asp?articolo=100

Government Interference in the Madeleine McCann Case
Grooming the McCanns

 

[colomom]

http://stephiblog.wordpress.com/2007/11/07/the-mccanns-guilty-as-hell/

Steph's View of "Things"

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