Madeleine McCann General Discussion Thread No. 21

[colomom]

I believe this is the post 2nd to last paragraph where the implication was that Ed Smart was partly responsible for the events leading to Elizabeths kidnapping.I do not think April has blown these words into anything other than what was stated by the original poster ie that he helped set up the sequence of events.

Nope, not blown up, not even to suggest "happiness" at assigning responsibility.

Nope...not at all....

 

[CarpeDiem]

Just to keep things real, Ed Smart wasn't the one whom invited Mitchell to the home, it was his wife Lois. And, he was never inside, he spent 5 hours one day on the roof.

 

[c2cd208]

This information just come in my email from www.briandreams.com
Brian did a RV and information is posted at this page: http://www.🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬.com/dd/5441.htm

He has posted a lot of information on this case. The newest information he posted is on this page: http://www.🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬.com/MISSING/private/5441page28.htm
This is page 28 he has on this case. Pages 29 and 30 are blank.

Information he posted is:

I would strive for something better than our Amber Alert System...the system is too complicated and sometimes it takes days for a person to get entered into it. Too much red tape...the first responders to a missing person call should be able to make the decision on whatever or not to activate the system. Policies should not override local authorities experience and intuition...if the chief feels the person is in danger, and going public will help...that should be all it takes to activate it...and she/he would not face any repercussions for their actions regardless of the outcome.
We start filming the TV pilot on June 1st, and hopefully Madeleine will be back with her family long before that.
Brian​

There is a ton of informtation to read, but the gist of it is that Brian thinks that Maddy is still alive.

 

[CarpeDiem]

His mistake was to leave the alarm off!

Depending on the system, I don't know if that would have mattered. Mitchell cut a screen from a window left open in the kitchen.

 

[Texana]

Depending on the system, I don't know if that would have mattered. Mitchell cut a screen from a window left open in the kitchen.

Unless the window was left open only to the screen, once you raise the window, the alarm goes off in most systems. The only time it wouldn't is if a big enough hole was smashed in a window pane but obviously the noise would then wake the homeowner.

However...

Ed Smart is obviously not responsible for his daughter's kidnapping. I think we can all agree on that.

Ed Smart is a good and decent man who genuinely cares about others. He demonstrates that again by his comments about the McCanns.

Ed Smart, having probably suffered enough sleepless nights about what-ifs and suffering for his child during her absence, feels strongly about other parents who have suffered the loss of a child.

Ed Smart doesn't really know what the McCanns did that night. He can't. He was thousands of miles away. So his is a judgment call based on his interpretations of their characters, and having suffered doesn't make him a better or worse judge of character. His opinion doesn't really tell us anything about the McCanns. It just tells us more about Ed Smart.

 

[april4sky]

From your post #321:

"I don't blame him either though aparently some are still happy to."

You specifically state that you believe that "some" blame Ed Smart! Not only that but you say they are happy to blame him.

Responsible=blame

Try my post #765....My comment...So now Ed smart must take "some" of the blame...This in response to dismissing him and his opinion because he had hired the man whe later kidnapped his daughter.

I never used the word "Responsible" As you are well aware. Replacing my word with "yours"is just another example of blowing up.:waitasec: IMO.
Colomom I don't appreciate you changing my word for yours to try to give a different meaning!!! I don't think it's either honest or clever.

As for happy...I actually said...."Apparently some are still happy"....Who knows? only the poster...but there were certainly posts that were very quick to dismiss Ed Smarts opinion because they thought his judgement in hiring the perpetrator was partly to blame for his daughters kidnapping.

It's amazing just how quickly it is that anyone who shows any kind of support to the McCanns...Even someone like Ed Smart..has his opinion immediately dismissed.
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PS...I have just read that Ed Smart did not in fact hire the man who kidnapped his daughter :waitasec:

I wonder if this will change any opinions on the value of his comments of support. :waitasec: :waitasec:

 

[april4sky]

I believe this is the post 2nd to last paragraph where the implication was that Ed Smart was partly responsible for the events leading to Elizabeths kidnapping.I do not think April has blown these words into anything other than what was stated by the original poster ie that he helped set up the sequence of events.

Absolutely right daffodil.
Amazing how things get twisted.
And as it turns out Ed Smart didn't hire his daughters kidnapper!!

 

[FDO8]

Hello I'm new to these boards so please forgive me If I post something that upsets anyone and for my spelling.

I was surfing the net in the wee hours this morning and came across this site, I started reading a few posts just out of Curiosity as you do and found myself going back to the first post and reading the whole thread.

I have to say I am a member of a few forums and this has got to be the best I have seen for people conducting themselves while debating.

Everyones opinions are taken into account questioned answered without the normal sniping Thank you for a very Interesting read.

As to the McCain's My feelings as a Parent on these people is disgust that they could leave their children alone night after night so they could party with friends, Common sense doesn't come into this Basic Animal instincts tells you that it is wrong to leave your young alone.

Do I think they are lying about what happened yes it saddens me to say I don't think there is a parent out there that wouldn't do everything in their power to help the police with their Investigations to find the truth about their child even if that meant putting themselves in the line of fire.

These people are the most talked about UK Citizens and I cant see how the Police can harm them, Stitch them up, Or Convict them without the whole world Knowing and doing something about it.

Do I think They killed Maddie I didn't at first but the more half truths that come out about that day the more I believe something happened that was an Accident and because it was through neglect they decided to cover it up to save themselves.


Anyway sorry for the long post I just wanted to say again thank you for a great read to everyone and I really really hope I am wrong.

 

[ThoughtFox]

Welcome to Websleuths, FD08! We all have very much the same questions that you have, and not many answers yet. If you just read around some of the threads going back a few days, you'll see what people think.

Today's News: Part One of an Interview with Kate's Parents, the Healys:

"If She's Dead We Need to Know"

“(Mrs. Healy)When the six months was marked I felt . . . I was quite happy with the buzz going out and busy organising things. But I feel a bit flat now and I don’t want this stage to be reached.

“And if anything needs organising I want it done without me taking part. I don’t feel I have the strength. I feel quite squashed and depressed.”

Fighting back the tears again, she adds: “In the earlier days it was new and we were coping with our emotions because we were kept busy organising things.

“I think, now, we have done all that and, somehow, there’s nothing to protect you and you are thinking constantly about Madeleine and her situation. And there’s a fear, I suppose, that people will accept that Madeleine has gone.”

TOMORROW: The moment our lives changed forever.

Rothley Church Hosts a Prayer Day to mark One Year

service will be held on the morning of Saturday, May 3, at the Anglican parish church of St Mary and St John, in Rothley.

No expectations are being placed on Madeleine's parents, Gerry and Kate McCann, to attend.
The church is to remain open during the day for people to visit and say their own prayers for the little girl and others like her.

The vicar of Rothley, the Rev Rob Gladstone, said: "The four churches in the village have agreed to open one of the churches for the day so people can drop in and pray if they want."

 

[colomom]

I never used the word "Responsible" As you are well aware. Replacing my word with "yours"is just another example of blowing up.:waitasec: IMO.
Colomom I don't appreciate you changing my word for yours to try to give a different meaning!!! I don't think it's either honest or clever.

While I think this is nit-picking, I will offer an apology to you April. I never meant to "twist" your words. It was the "dig" about how some people (assuming you meant WS posters) were happy to blame, that is what rubbed me the wrong way.

Please don't ever doubt my honesty April. I am extremely honest. Sometimes to honest for my own good actually.

I actually think it would be rather weird that someone might change their minds about what they think happened to Maddie based on a statement from Ed Smart.

Anyway, I would like to request that we move on from discussing Ed Smart and his opinions. I think we can all agree that he is in no way responsible for what happened to his daughter and obviously, most (if not all) of us have not changed our minds.

 

[april4sky]

While I think this is nit-picking, I will offer an apology to you April. I never meant to "twist" your words. It was the "dig" about how some people (assuming you meant WS posters) were happy to blame, that is what rubbed me the wrong way.

Please don't ever doubt my honesty April. I am extremely honest. Sometimes to honest for my own good actually.

I actually think it would be rather weird that someone might change their minds about what they think happened to Maddie based on a statement from Ed Smart.

Anyway, I would like to request that we move on from discussing Ed Smart and his opinions. I think we can all agree that he is in no way responsible for what happened to his daughter and obviously, most (if not all) of us have not changed our minds.

Colomom while I can't agree this falls under nit-picking.:waitasec:
I do thank you for the apology.
I suppose it's inevitable after all this time that we will occasionally rub each other the wrong way...No worries.
Time to move on.

 

[Barnaby]

Colomom while I can't agree this falls under nit-picking.:waitasec:
I do thank you for the apology.
I suppose it's inevitable after all this time that we will occasionally rub each other the wrong way...No worries.
Time to move on.

I think not only should you have thanked Colomom for the apology but you should have offered a reciprocal one, after all you did say she was not honest or clever! Very insulting IMO & very untrue of Colomom, one of the most honest, clever & caring people I have ever met on the internet! Her thoughtful, well worded & insightful posts here are testimony to that!
Just because you don't agree with someone doesn't excuse snide or insulting remarks!

 

[FDO8]

Thank you for the welcome ThoughtFox and I will be reading some of the other threads over the next few days they all seem very interesting

 

[Barnaby]

Welcome FD08 & you are right when you say this is a great forum.
IMO the best on the web!

 

[colomom]

Ex-Pat defends cops

Maddie: One year on

http://www.sundaylife.co.uk/news/article3652923.ece

 

[Texana]

Colomom, nice statement about moving on.

 

[iNTERESTEDWOMAN]

The McCanns will think they've achieved quite a lot after the recent 'revelation' that Madeleine talked to them about her crying the night before, and following Rachel Oldfield's comments.

Here's what they *think* they have achieved:

1. Proof that Madeleine was alive on the morning of 3 May

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I think you've hit the nail on the head. Of course, In my humble oppenion as always. I believe this is exactly why team McCann leaked this info. IMHO, there is some pretty damning evidence that suggests that Madeleine was never actually seen on the 3rd of May.

FWIW, I think Madeleine is dead and that her murder was pre-meditated, her body embalmed and shipped back home...but again, that's just my oppenion.

 

[april4sky]

I think not only should you have thanked Colomom for the apology but you should have offered a reciprocal one, after all you did say she was not honest or clever! Very insulting IMO & very untrue of Colomom, one of the most honest, clever & caring people I have ever met on the internet! Her thoughtful, well worded & insightful posts here are testimony to that!
Just because you don't agree with someone doesn't excuse snide or insulting remarks!

Barnaby I could have written that myself.
Something about glass houses come to mind:waitasec:..or pot and kettle.:waitasec: And we both know why!!

Barnaby instead of attacking me if you have a problem I suggest you take it up with a mod.

 

[Texana]

Back at you Barnaby.
Something about glass houses come to mind:waitasec:..or pot and kettle.:waitasec:

The kindergarten playground would like its metaphors back, please.

 

[Prickle]

hi FDO8, welcome to the boards.





http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/04/29/nmccanns129.xml


Kate McCann’s mother wanted to shake her daughter and son-in-law for leaving Madeleine on her own the night she went missing, she has said.