Madeleine McCann General Discussion Thread No. 21

[Barnaby]

This is priceless especially after my last post saying they will hang themselves LOL!

The McCanns themselves have admitted that Madeleine was crying & released the fact that she admonished them for not coming to her!

Now Rachel Oldfield is trying to say there was no crying. These people need to get their stories straight LOL

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/04/24/nmadeleine124.xml

.........."On the day the couple, from Rothley, Leicestershire, were in Brussels to launch a bid for a Europe-wide missing-child alert system, it emerged Madeleine asked her mother the night before she disappeared: “Mum, why didn’t you come when we were crying last night?”.
But Mrs Oldfield, who was in the next-door flat - on the other side of Madeleine’s wall - said she was in all evening and heard no crying. "........

 

[Prickle]

This does not make the McCanns less culpable in my opinion. The fact that they wanted to use one just reinforces the point that they KNEW it was not safe to leave the children alone. And yes, trying to BLAME Mark Warner would show just how much they refuse to accept the consequences of THEIR actions.

Salem

Totally agree, it's the parents responsibility to care for their children, not the holiday company, It's up to the parents to adequately care for their own children

Didn’t MW offer guests to use their drop-in creches, open in the evenings, where guests could leave their children and go out for dinner feeling confident that the children were safe. IMHO a much better option than a so called listening service.

Better still, spend the evening with your children, you are afterall on a family holiday. Why bother taking children in the first place !

 

[iNTERESTEDWOMAN]

I had a dream last night that FOX news was reporting that Madeleine's body was found, and the McCanns, Tanner, and Russell O'Brien were arrested. It was so real...but alas, just a dream.

As far as the leaks go. I think it's so funny how the McCanns blame the Police, the Police blame the McCanns, but who is the one person who has gone almost a year without working? Who has a family to support and no income? Who was there and part of the entire fumble bumble baby checks? I hear the Tabs pay BIG money for inside information. Russell and/or Jane are the press leaks In my humble oppenion.

 

[colomom]

I had a dream last night that FOX news was reporting that Madeleine's body was found, and the McCanns, Tanner, and Russell O'Brien were arrested. It was so real...but alas, just a dream.

As far as the leaks go. I think it's so funny how the McCanns blame the Police, the Police blame the McCanns, but who is the one person who has gone almost a year without working? Who has a family to support and no income? Who was there and part of the entire fumble bumble baby checks? I hear the Tabs pay BIG money for inside information. Russell and/or Jane are the press leaks In my humble oppenion.

Hmmmm, food for thought IW.

He hasn't worked, has he? I have never read anything about the Tanner/O'Brien source of income.

:waitasec:

 

[Salem]

IW - I hope your dream comes true. I want Maddie found.

Very interesting comment about the JT/RO income theory. I agree with Colomom - food for thought.

As to Oldfield's recent comment about "there was no crying" how does that explain Mrs. Fenn? and if she was in all night, right next door, why did she not go to the children when they were crying? She could have taken her child with her. I believe Mrs. Fenn. I think she has acted with integrity throughout this whole mess. So now, I think Oldfield will need to mesh her story with Mrs. Fenn's and the McCanns' own admission.

Salem

 

[Barnaby]

I had a dream last night that FOX news was reporting that Madeleine's body was found, and the McCanns, Tanner, and Russell O'Brien were arrested. It was so real...but alas, just a dream.

As far as the leaks go. I think it's so funny how the McCanns blame the Police, the Police blame the McCanns, but who is the one person who has gone almost a year without working? Who has a family to support and no income? Who was there and part of the entire fumble bumble baby checks? I hear the Tabs pay BIG money for inside information. Russell and/or Jane are the press leaks In my humble oppenion.

MMMmmmmm, very interesting comment! What is keeping O'Brien & Tanner & their family. Also how come the father of the missing child is fit to go back to work & a mere friend cannot? This has always bothered me, why was/is Russell O'Brien so deeply affected by all of this?

 

[Salem]

Ummm, how do we know that O'Brien has not gone back to work? Has it been in the media and I just didn't read that part thoroughly:crazy:

Salem

 

[Texana]

Here's a discrepancy I find interesting:

The McCanns said via Clarence Mitchell they were very much interested in doing a televised "Crimewatch" re-enactment of the night Madeleine disappeared.

However, when asked to return to Portugal to go through a reconstruction/re-enactment with the Portuguese police, they are apparently refusing. And not only that, but Kate is making public through an unidentified friend how upset she is about it.

The friend of the McCanns said: "Kate is upset. There's been no sense of concern for her feelings or the anguish it will cause her. On an emotional level she is not sure she can go through with it."

The friend added: "The family will consider it. If it's felt that there's a chance of it helping to find Madeleine then, of course, they will do it. But given it is a year on, you have to wonder about the value of it."

http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/Mother-39upset39-at-Madeleine-request.3961290.jp

With all due respect, this is not about Kate. It's not about her feelings. It's about finding out what happened to Maddie and where she might be.

But no, they're already broadly hinting that there's no value in what the PJ wants to do. You would think their attitude be, "Whatever anyone thinks might be useful to find out the truth, I can do that" but no, it's too painful to Kate...if it's not a television show and it's just the police re-enacting the events as generally known.

I absolutely believe it would be an anguish for Kate to go back and do that re-enactment and that she might break down at that time. She'd break down because of what she knows really happened that night. She can't even "go there" because she's afraid she'll crack under the pressure.

What other explanation makes sense for why the McCanns would agree to one renactment and not be willing to do another? If the PJ allowed it today they would do the Crimewatch episode in a heartbeat. The excuse from the "friend" that too much time has passed for the police reenactment to do any good is just pathetic.

It certainly could do as much good as a balloon launch on the anniversary of Maddie's disappearance.

 

[Texana]

Rachel Oldfield says there "was no crying" because she was in her room all night (the night prior to Maddie's disappearance, when the children were also left alone) and she would have heard that.

One, That Rachel says (and may very well mean sincerely) she didn't hear anything doesn't mean there wasn't crying, only that she didn't hear sounds.

Two, this seems to be offered up again in some kind of justification. "There wasn't any crying!" So hey, everything was really just fine.

If Rachel was correct and there was no crying, then either Madeleine wasn't telling the truth, or Kate wasn't in reporting those words.

Interesting.

 

[colomom]

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/columnists/john_gaunt/article647926.ece

Stop shifting the blame, Kate

and...

http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2008/04/investigation-explosive-data-reported.html

Investigation: Explosive data reported by inspector Gonçalo Amaral

Book solves Maddie Case

Source: http://www.correiodamanha.pt/notici...hannelid=00000010-0000-0000-0000-000000000010

Oh my, my...

 

[april4sky]

THE TAPAS TRUTH

'The night Maddy went was just agonising. There's no way Gerry and Kate were involved'

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/topstories/2008/04/25/the-tapas-truth-89520-20394115/

"Anyone with an ounce of common sense would be able to see they couldn't have done it. And I was there and I know they didn't do it."

"We'd have loved to have spoken out and just put the record straight." Rachael also said it was "astounding" Kate and Gerry, who remain formal suspects, had heard so little from the Portuguese police that they could not be sure officers were still hunting for four-year-old Madeleine.

*******
Are the PJ still searching for Madeleine? I doubt it!!
Even their own President of Lawyers, Antonio Marinho e Pinto believes the PJ have gone down a blind ally and have used Portuguese secrecy laws to conceal it. :waitasec:

 

[colomom]

THE TAPAS TRUTH

'The night Maddy went was just agonising. There's no way Gerry and Kate were involved'

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/topstories/2008/04/25/the-tapas-truth-89520-20394115/

"Anyone with an ounce of common sense would be able to see they couldn't have done it. And I was there and I know they didn't do it."

"We'd have loved to have spoken out and just put the record straight." Rachael also said it was "astounding" Kate and Gerry, who remain formal suspects, had heard so little from the Portuguese police that they could not be sure officers were still hunting for four-year-old Madeleine.

*******
Are the PJ still searching for Madeleine? I doubt it!!
Even their own President of Lawyers, Antonio Marinho e Pinto believes the PJ have gone down a blind ally and have used Portuguese secrecy laws to conceal it. :waitasec:

Everyday I become more aggravated with these people.

They swore up and down that they would fully cooperate with the PJ in their investigation. "No stone unturned", lie detector test (yea, riiiiight), anything the authorities needed in order to help find their baby girl.

Then, once the dogs detected death and the focus turned toward them, they jump on a plane, hire lawyers who specialize in extradition cases, start bad-mouthing the people who might actually be able to find their daughter and hunker down in their house. I think it is the McCanns who are using the Portuguese Secrecy laws to conceal information. Whenever they are asked the tough questions they say they are muzzled by those laws.

Now they are b*tching about how little contact they have with the PJ.

**Newsflash** McCanns!! You are SUSPECTS. In this country you would be sitting in a cell. Go back to Portugal and participate in the search for your child!! Do the reconstruction of that horrible night because it might actually HELP find Maddie!!

As far as being convinced of their innocence....

Susan Smith's ex-husband was convinced of her innocence.

Scott Peterson's parents were convinced of his innocence.

Some people were convinced of Diane Downs innocence.

BAH!

 

[april4sky]

Everyday I become more aggravated with these people.

Colomom I feel the same way about some of the PJ :furious:

They swore up and down that they would fully cooperate with the PJ in their investigation. "No stone unturned", lie detector test (yea, riiiiight), anything the authorities needed in order to help find their baby girl.

They were fully cooperating until the PJ started their dirty tricks campaign of leaks/smears. And I'm sure they would love to work with the PJ in what should be the most important thing in all of this.....resuming the search for Madeleine.:waitasec:

Then, once the dogs detected death and the focus turned toward them, they jump on a plane, hire lawyers who specialize in extradition cases, start bad-mouthing the people who might actually be able to find their daughter and hunker down in their house. I think it is the McCanns who are using the Portuguese Secrecy laws to conceal information. Whenever they are asked the tough questions they say they are muzzled by those laws.

Now thats spinning IMO. The secrecy laws are...no secret...and who is gagged by them.

Now they are b*tching about how little contact they have with the PJ.

**Newsflash** McCanns!! You are SUSPECTS. In this country you would be sitting in a cell. Go back to Portugal and participate in the search for your child!! Do the reconstruction of that horrible night because it might actually HELP find Maddie!!

No evidence!!!! None.... If the PJ had evidence that Madeleine is dead...we would know IMO...the PJ wouldn't want to keep that secret:waitasec: :waitasec: ..again..IMO.

As far as being convinced of their innocence....

Susan Smith's ex-husband was convinced of her innocence.

Scott Peterson's parents were convinced of his innocence.

Some people were convinced of Diane Downs innocence.

There is a simple explanation to these cases....As far as Susan Smith and Scott Peterson go....sorry I haven't heard of Diane Downs....But all I can say in the two I am aware of there were....Dead bodies...Evidence....
An important distinction don't you think. :waitasec:

 

[Texana]

Agreed, Colomom. Exactly!

 

[Salem]

~snip~What other explanation makes sense for why the McCanns would agree to one renactment and not be willing to do another? If the PJ allowed it today they would do the Crimewatch episode in a heartbeat. The excuse from the "friend" that too much time has passed for the police reenactment to do any good is just pathetic.

It certainly could do as much good as a balloon launch on the anniversary of Maddie's disappearance.

My theory is that the McCanns want actors. They don't want to re-enact what happed themselves, because they know they could slip up. That's why all the big leaks, etc. So they would have an excuse not to go back to Portugal.

Salem

 

[Salem]

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/topstories/2008/04/25/the-tapas-truth-89520-20394115/

"Anyone with an ounce of common sense would be able to see they couldn't have done it. And I was there and I know they didn't do it."

:waitasec:

April - I snipped your post - hope you don't mind. I have to say this, I can't stand it :crazy:

Anyone with an ounce of common sense would NOT leave babies under the age of 4 alone in a resort room, in a foreign country regardless whether the doors were locked or not. Just wouldn't happen. Therefore, I think I have much more "common sense" than the famous Tapas 9. Everyone of those folks thought it was okay to leave babies, toddlers and vomiting children on their own. My Grandmother would have smacked them upside the head and told them to use "their smarts."

Salem

 

[Pocono Sleuther]

Everyday I become more aggravated with these people.

They swore up and down that they would fully cooperate with the PJ in their investigation. "No stone unturned", lie detector test (yea, riiiiight), anything the authorities needed in order to help find their baby girl.

Then, once the dogs detected death and the focus turned toward them, they jump on a plane, hire lawyers who specialize in extradition cases, start bad-mouthing the people who might actually be able to find their daughter and hunker down in their house. I think it is the McCanns who are using the Portuguese Secrecy laws to conceal information. Whenever they are asked the tough questions they say they are muzzled by those laws.

Now they are b*tching about how little contact they have with the PJ.

**Newsflash** McCanns!! You are SUSPECTS. In this country you would be sitting in a cell. Go back to Portugal and participate in the search for your child!! Do the reconstruction of that horrible night because it might actually HELP find Maddie!!

As far as being convinced of their innocence....

Susan Smith's ex-husband was convinced of her innocence.

Scott Peterson's parents were convinced of his innocence.

Some people were convinced of Diane Downs innocence.

BAH!

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[april4sky]

April - I snipped your post - hope you don't mind. I have to say this, I can't stand it :crazy:

Anyone with an ounce of common sense would NOT leave babies under the age of 4 alone in a resort room, in a foreign country regardless whether the doors were locked or not. Just wouldn't happen. Therefore, I think I have much more "common sense" than the famous Tapas 9. Everyone of those folks thought it was okay to leave babies, toddlers and vomiting children on their own. My Grandmother would have smacked them upside the head and told them to use "their smarts."

Salem

I don't mind Salem.

I personally agree with you about not leaving children alone Salem, but as I have said before, and if you saw the holiday link I posted you will know, the baby listening system is widely used in Europe as it's not illegal there. Many people have and do still use the service and find it acceptable.

IMO it's unfair to jump from baby listening, which they have never tried to hide, to accusations that they are capable of killing their own child. :waitasec: Or that any of the Tapas nine would for a second cover up the death of Madeleine. :waitasec: I just don't believe it!!

 

[Prickle]

I don't mind Salem.

I personally agree with you about not leaving children alone Salem, but as I have said before, and if you saw the holiday link I posted you will know, the baby listening system is widely used in Europe as it's not illegal there. Many people have and do still use the service and find it acceptable.

IMO it's unfair to jump from baby listening, which they have never tried to hide, to accusations that they are capable of killing their own child. :waitasec: Or that any of the Tapas nine would for a second cover up the death of Madeleine. :waitasec: I just don't believe it!!

April, baby listening…ok, are these carers who listen medically trained to help a child that could be choking, having a fit or worse fallen down the concrete stairs. I haven’t read any where, (has anyone) that these ppl are capable to help in such an unthinkable case, if I’m wrong, I know that you WILL correct me.
Therefore as a responsible parent, would you leave 3 tots alone without confirming this.

 

[Texana]

Anyone with an ounce of common sense would NOT leave babies under the age of 4 alone in a resort room, in a foreign country regardless whether the doors were locked or not. Just wouldn't happen. Therefore, I think I have much more "common sense" than the famous Tapas 9. Everyone of those folks thought it was okay to leave babies, toddlers and vomiting children on their own. My Grandmother would have smacked them upside the head and told them to use "their smarts."

Salem

Beautifully said. I couldn't verbalize what was nagging at me about Rachel Oldfield's comments.

I can agree with April's comment that people are who are stupid enough to leave (paraphrasing a bit, obviously, on my part) very young children alone aren't therefore automatically capable of killing or covering up the death of one of those children.

However, it does show they have extremely poor judgment and a self-centered attitude that permeates their actions and thought processes.

So they lose all credibility in terms of making judgments about anything else, including what is or is not appropriate for the authorities. The moral and common sense high ground for the McCanns went out the window the minute they decided to leave their children alone...again.