Madeleine McCann General Discussion Thread No. 22

[SleuthMom]

Pity, that video does indicate when it was filmed. She says that she hasn't spoken to a journalist in the last 3 months.

Good observation Colomom! :blowkiss:

 

[april4sky]

Pity, that video does indicate when it was filmed. She says that she hasn't spoken to a journalist in the last 3 months.

Here (http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/column...witch-hunt-and-find-madeleine-89520-19801006/) we see an article dated 9/17/07 which states: Now the real woman - Pamela Fenn, 81 - says that these claims are "absolute rubbish" and here (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/li...4&in_page_id=1811&in_page_id=1811&expand=true) an article dated 8/19/07 that states: Mrs Fenn said: "I will speak to the police on Monday." and Among them will be ex-pat Pamela Fenn, a widow in her 70s. She claims she "scared off" an intruder who had broken into her apartment in the days before the McCanns arrived to stay in the holiday flat directly below her.

So, which is it?? Did she speak to journalists or not? The Daily Mail seems to be quoting "friends" regarding the break in but, where did they get the quote about her speaking with the police?? These quotes were reportedly given a month before she said she had not spoken to any journalists. It appears that Tony Parsons and the Daily Mail are confused (making things up?).

When in doubt I always check with the McCannFiles site because there is a wealth of information with links. Check here: http://www.mccannfiles.com/id66.html and you will find many references to what may (or may not) have been discussed with police or journalists.

Research is a wonderful thing....

Isn't it though.

And thank you but I am already aware of the mccannfiles.

We may not know the date when the Mrs Fenn video was recorded but according to the mccannfiles possibly August/September. Which just about fits with Mrs Fenns comment of three months.

Colomom I would much rather believe Mrs Fenn speaking for herself than believe the press who resort to "friends" for quotes.
There are press articles on the mccannfiles which contradict each other regarding Mrs Fenn too. They can't even agree on the womans age.
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Comment regarding Mrs Fenn from the mccannfiles.....

Although she passionately denies speaking to any journalists, the Daily Mail report of 12 September, and the Sunday Mirror report of 23 September, carry words that Mrs Fenn is 'quoted as saying'. But we don't know whether the quotes were direct to the newspapers themselves or if they came from the same source who is quoted in the other articles. If we believe Mrs Fenn, then the obvious inference is the latter.

Of course, it could be that this short clip of Mrs Fenn speaking was recorded prior to the articles in those two newspapers being published. However, the passion with which Mrs Fenn speaks would appear to imply that she has no intention of speaking to any journalists then, or at any time in the future.
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This was also the impression I got from the video.

 

[SleuthMom]

I must have missed that post???

You did not miss it, it doesn't exist.

 

[SleuthMom]

Now that you mention it....

I posted (replaced it with) a better copy I found. Look at the fingers holding the ice cream cone, they do look misshapen. Also, why is she wearing makeup (eyeliner/lipstick)? If she is not, then the picture has been touched up. Why??

Yes, the fingers do look funny. I am not sure why they touched up the pic, maybe quality?

 

[Salem]

Of course, it could be that this short clip of Mrs Fenn speaking was recorded prior to the articles in those two newspapers being published. However, the passion with which Mrs Fenn speaks would appear to imply that she has no intention of speaking to any journalists then, or at any time in the future.
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This was also the impression I got from the video.

I agree with this without going back to re-view the video or any media links. This is why I believe Mrs. Fenn. She had recently had someone try to break into her apartment when her granddaughter was staying with her. She heard Maddie crying, she complained to MW, MW recommended that the McCanns NOT leave the children alone again and warned the McCanns about possible burglars. Mrs. Fenn said she gave her statement to the police and that she would NOT talk to the media. So after initial reports were made and when the media tried to sensationalize her statements, she told the media to jump in the lake, basically. My opinion is that to understand what happened with Mrs. Fenn, you must start with the first media report that alludes to her, and follow them through to this point where she says enough, back off and leave me alone.

I think this is typical of many of the media reports. You have to be selective of which articles to put stock in. The Portugese paper SOL is, in my opinion, the ONLY paper to take an HONEST look at what was happening in the beginning.

The English papers did nothing in the beginning except tell us the McCanns were wonderful people and doctors. It was public outcry about the lack of "investigative" and OBJECTIVE reporting that sent the British papers into a tail spin. AND then, they still could not do their jobs with any amount of credibility. Those papers just started printing garbage, basically. Not a one of those journalists took a real look at what was happening, what the facts were and printed an objective, reasoned report. They all went with the sensationalism. Popular media at its worst. I put very little stock in any of the British media reports. I personally think those papers could not investigative or objectively report on anything. They are very sensationalized. I do read Skynews even though it is rumored the McCanns have connections with this media source.

This case is about reading all the media reports, except the Mail, and trying to discern what is real and what is made up and then trying to put the "real" pieces together to come up with a "picture."

My opinion does not change about Mrs. Fenn or about the McCanns.

Time is running. It won't be long now before we see movement or lack thereof. If the McCanns go back to Portugal at the end of this month for the reenactment, my opinion may weaken somewhat. If they don't go..... well, what can I say?

Salem

 

[Salem]

Yes, the fingers do look funny. I am not sure why they touched up the pic, maybe quality?

I really agree with this. I wonder is someone else is holding the ice cream and Maddie is using the plastic spoon/straw to take bites? The fingers around the ice cream cone don't look real?

Salem

 

[Barnaby]

You did not miss it, it doesn't exist.

Of course, Sleuth :blowkiss:

 

[Barnaby]

I really agree with this. I wonder is someone else is holding the ice cream and Maddie is using the plastic spoon/straw to take bites? The fingers around the ice cream cone don't look real?

Salem

Tha arm that is holding the ice cream is not connected to any body Salem, it is just less than half an arm suspended in mid air.

 

[chronictonic]

Thanks colo mom, that was it exactly it looked provocative and photoshopped, and I'm sure that photo isnt her, but it is used for something else entirely, that's why I wanted to know where did ya get it?
Thanks, your gut feeling was exactly what mine was. Provocative.

 

[chronictonic]

It doesn't look photoshopped to me, she just looks mischevious. Unfortunately, we're so used to little girls being sexualized in photos and products, even when that's not the intent. (I've got a photo of a niece from Glamor Shots, she was barely twelve, and it looks like something out of Urban Cowboy.)

However, in this photo, the expression does look like one my child would have had at that age, especially if you'd said, "Don't you want to share some ice cream?"

Texana, what is urban cowboy? Sorry; Im not familiar with that.
Is that a good thing or a bad thing lol....

 

[Barnaby]

Strange anyone saying the photograph isn't Madeleine when it was shown on the two hour documentary in which her parents took part! I think if it wasn't her they might have recognised that fact & said something!

 

[Salem]

Strange anyone saying the photograph isn't Madeleine when it was shown on the two hour documentary in which her parents took part! I think if it wasn't her they might have recognised that fact & said something!

Barnaby - this is a really good point. Why would the McCanns show something that obviously has "issues"? The arm is wrong, the fingers are wrong and the picture seems to be out of proportion So, (I'm thinking out loud here) whether it is Maddie or not, WHY would they put something in the documentary that really appears NOT to be what it SEEMS?

This deserves some thought, I think. I had forgotten that Colomom got it from the documentary........ very interesting. I wonder if the photographer just picked it up and the McCanns couldn't think fast enough to keep it from going into the video or if there is more too it and WHY would they have such a picture laying around anyway?

Salem

 

[Barnaby]

Barnaby - this is a really good point. Why would the McCanns show something that obviously has "issues"? The arm is wrong, the fingers are wrong and the picture seems to be out of proportion So, (I'm thinking out loud here) whether it is Maddie or not, WHY would they put something in the documentary that really appears NOT to be what it SEEMS?

This deserves some thought, I think. I had forgotten that Colomom got it from the documentary........ very interesting. I wonder if the photographer just picked it up and the McCanns couldn't think fast enough to keep it from going into the video or if there is more too it and WHY would they have such a picture laying around anyway?

Salem

Yes I wondered that also Salem, it is most peculiar, don't have an explanation!

Afterthought - Could it have been deliberately put out to show that strange things happen with photographs & to deflect attention from all the speculation that the "last" pic is a fake?
These people have funny minds!


Speaking of weird pics, Richard Branson's sister is sure hard up for "art"

http://www.the3arguidos.net/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=13138&p=350590#p350590


http://www.artnet.com/magazineus/reviews/laplaca/laplaca10-26-07_detail.asp?picnum=16

 

[Salem]

Yes I wondered that also Salem, it is most peculiar, don't have an explanation!

Afterthought - Could it have been deliberately put out to show that strange things happen with photographs & to deflect attention from all the speculation that the "last" pic is a fake?
These people have funny minds!


Speaking of weird pics, Richard Branson's sister is sure hard up for "art"

http://www.the3arguidos.net/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=13138&p=350590#p350590


http://www.artnet.com/magazineus/reviews/laplaca/laplaca10-26-07_detail.asp?picnum=16

Good idea. They do seem to do things in a rather unusual manner and they always trying to throw us off track in my opinion. I admit, I don't get it, yet.......

And yes, Branson's sister does appear to be hard up for art..., it's not even a good clear shot :crazy:

Salem

 

[Barnaby]

Good idea. They do seem to do things in a rather unusual manner and they always trying to throw us off track in my opinion. I admit, I don't get it, yet.......

And yes, Branson's sister does appear to be hard up for art..., it's not even a good clear shot :crazy:

Salem

Not something that I would want on my walls! Wonder how much she paid for that?
Colomom could maybe make a fortune with her albums LOL!

 

[Texana]

Texana, what is urban cowboy? Sorry; Im not familiar with that.
Is that a good thing or a bad thing lol....

Urban Cowboy is/was a movie from the 80's, with John Travolta, about a big dance hall/concert place/bar in Pasadena, Texas. The oil boom of the 80's brought a lot of wanna be cowboys there. The girls would wear cowboy hats and halter tops and tight jeans. So you see how that would look on a little girl of about 11 or 12. (Some variation of that is probably still in style.)

 

[Texana]

Or the photo shows that someone has been messing around with digital photos of Madeleine, which is obviously an odd thing in itself.

 

[Texana]

On another subject, the behavior of the McCanns and general appearances...Some of you might recall my interest in true crime came when a person I knew through our church (I knew the parents better) was abducted and murdered. It was a fairly notorious case in that state and a book was written about it.
I just read the book this weekend. We had just moved out of the state the year before this happened. I was shocked to look at the photos of the parents in the book. I cannot tell you how much they aged in those photos...It was absolutely heartbreaking and breathtaking to see the difference in those people. They had another adult child, who felt the parents had aged more like 15-20 years in that time span.

I even had in my possesion a photo of the father from an event, and he looks 10 years older in the photos, not 4. The book tells of the physical agony the parents went through, not eating or sleeping, and how they suffered several serious health issues they attributed to the stress of the disappearance and subsequently (it was four years til they discovered the truth) finding their daughter.

It's certainly not jumping to conclusions to wonder at the extreme differences between the McCanns and people such as this. There's the "everybody grieves differently" line and then there's this Grand Canyon of extreme differences. Couple that with conflicting statements, with repeated and deliberate falsehoods (why did, and does, Gerry to this day, repeatedly misstaed the actual distance between the Tapas restaurant and the apartment room, not by a little bit, but by almost a 3x what he says--difference? Why does he continually state it in terms of being like in your garden, when it was more like at the end of the block, around the corner, of a long city block? And so on.)

 

[Barnaby]

On another subject, the behavior of the McCanns and general appearances...Some of you might recall my interest in true crime came when a person I knew through our church (I knew the parents better) was abducted and murdered. It was a fairly notorious case in that state and a book was written about it.
I just read the book this weekend. We had just moved out of the state the year before this happened. I was shocked to look at the photos of the parents in the book. I cannot tell you how much they aged in those photos...It was absolutely heartbreaking and breathtaking to see the difference in those people. They had another adult child, who felt the parents had aged more like 15-20 years in that time span.

I even had in my possesion a photo of the father from an event, and he looks 10 years older in the photos, not 4. The book tells of the physical agony the parents went through, not eating or sleeping, and how they suffered several serious health issues they attributed to the stress of the disappearance and subsequently (it was four years til they discovered the truth) finding their daughter.

It's certainly not jumping to conclusions to wonder at the extreme differences between the McCanns and people such as this. There's the "everybody grieves differently" line and then there's this Grand Canyon of extreme differences. Couple that with conflicting statements, with repeated and deliberate falsehoods (why did, and does, Gerry to this day, repeatedly misstaed the actual distance between the Tapas restaurant and the apartment room, not by a little bit, but by almost a 3x what he says--difference? Why does he continually state it in terms of being like in your garden, when it was more like at the end of the block, around the corner, of a long city block? And so on.)

So agree Texana, "normal" grieving parents wouldnot be expected to look as good as the McCanns did & do!
The McCanns have lied not only about the distance but about many other things - apartment was locked & window shutters jemmied, no it was open & shutters were not tampered with! Cuddle Cat was on the top shelf (Kate) no it was on the bed (Gerry) There cannot be two truths, only one truth, it's time the McCanns told the truth! They are BLATANT LIARS & not even good ones at that! As for grieving parents, I was sorrier when I killed a fly by accident recently!

 

[Texana]

So agree Texana, "normal" grieving parents wouldnot be expected to look as good as the McCanns did & do!
The McCanns have lied not only about the distance but about many other things - apartment was locked & window shutters jemmied, no it was open & shutters were not tampered with! Cuddle Cat was on the top shelf (Kate) no it was on the bed (Gerry) There cannot be two truths, only one truth, it's time the McCanns told the truth! They are BLATANT LIARS & not even good ones at that! As for grieving parents, I was sorrier when I killed a fly by accident recently!

I really do wish everyone could see the photo I had and the photo in this book. The mother as well--when I say it looked as if she had aged twenty years, I am not exaggerating. I would have not recognized her, or worse--I would have mistaken her for her own mother.

The biggest red flag was right there in the beginning. When Gerry keeps mentioning the distance and it is not only a little bit "off--" it is THREE TIMES the distance he says--why does he keep doing that?

No one has offered a credible explanation of that.

He's a doctor, he has scientific training. As part of his job he regularly gives measurements and estimates. So why is he so terribly, terribly off this time? And why does he stick with it for months and months--to this day repeating it? Did he really think being able to view perhaps the roof of the building his children were in, was the same as being close?

It is either a deliberate lie, or a defensive lie, or he is a clueless idiot. (and that's hardest to believe.)