Madeleine McCann General Discussion Thread No. 23

[colomom]

http://www.the-news.net/

Ex-Maddie cop - “She died in apartment”
26/7/2008

Gonçalo Amaral, who was removed as chief investigator into the case of Madeleine McCann after lashing out at her parents, has this week launched an explosive book in which he makes a number of controversial statements, saying the toddler died in the apartment on the night she was reported missing. In the book, which has been read by the The Portugal News after it was received in Lisbon on Wednesday morning, almost 36 hours before its publication, Gonçalo Amaral accuses Kate and Gerry McCann of possibly having concealed Madeleine’s body after she died in what he believes was the result of a “tragic accident”. In a separate development, the chief of the the National Director of police has this week vowed to “search to the ends of the Earth” to find the missing girl.

The book is entitled, “Maddie – a verdade da mentira”, or “The Truth of the Lie”, and is promising to be a best-seller here in Portugal, following the enormous coverage it has received by the media here the past few days.

Over 200 pages, the former chief inspector, who resigned in June to unveil the “facts of the investigation”, gives his version of the events, especially the initial stages of the investigation.

These latest revelations come as a fresh blow to the McCanns, who learnt on Monday that Portuguese authorities had closed the investigation and lifted their status as arguidos or persons of interest.

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[SleuthMom]

Don't know why you would be confused Colomom. I did say they had to include some "facts".....

And let me guess, you pick and choose which ones are fact and which ones you think they are not. Interesting.

 

[april4sky]

And let me guess, you pick and choose which ones are fact and which ones you think they are not. Interesting.

No don't guess Sleithmom. :waitasec:
Thats what the PJ did, and look where that got them.

 

[fran]

Ok, I have NOT followed this case closely, well hardly at all, actually. Other than a short clip here and there, I'm not too familiar with this situation. But I would like to make one statement with regard to this new book being released.

FWIW, don't take it as gospel. Just because it's in print, does NOT mean it's the truth. IF it were in fact truth, the parents would have been arrested. That they don't have sufficient proof or whatever, is BS, double talk, whatever.

I expect to see a nice law suit come out about this, or this book be blocked from being sold. IF it's already being sold, the earlier will apply, lawsuit.

We've seen this same BS, IMHO, come out about the Natalee Holloway case. You have an area that relies heavily on tourism, they will do ANYTHING to cover-up crime or make it appear their LE aren't incompetent and doing EVERYTHING to solve the case. Oh, and of COURSE blame the victim's FAMILY.

Yeah, they're trying to do that even with the Holloway case, blame the family for their daughter's disappearance. In that case, eventhough the family was thousands of miles away and didn't arrive on the island until 24 hours after the fact, they've managed to come up, (took them 3 years and even used blogger's theories) of HOW it was a 'conspiracy' of the family and it was the VICTIM'S fault. Doesn't matter that the three who were last seen with her are still lying to this day, (their stories don't match), the excuse for NOT arresting them is they've lied so much, the judges don't know which story to believe.

From what I've seen in this case, I do feel the parents were neglectful by leaving those three small children alone in that room at night. As far as an intruder goes, I have no opinion one way or the other.

Happy sleuthing,
This was JMHO,

fran

 

[SleuthMom]

No don't guess Sleithmom. :waitasec:
Thats what the PJ did, and look where that got them.

Nice try but you did not answer. For one side you talk bad things about the PJ and their report and then you quote from them when is convenient to you. So do you pick and choose what is "fact" in that report?

 

[april4sky]

Nice try but you did not answer. For one side you talk bad things about the PJ and their report and then you quote from them when is convenient to you. So do you pick and choose what is "fact" in that report?

SleuthMom you didn't ask a question. You were critisizing/accusing me. wrongly!!

In my post I said the following....truthfully!!

While they had to include some &#8220;facts,&#8221;&#8230;..because they might have had to defend these in court!!.....They can and have excluded others, especially about themselves!!
From what I have read of the report they have certainly protected themselves&#8230;..as demonstrated here in their report&#8230;&#8230;..

&#8220;On the other hand, it should be referred that this investigation moved itself under conditions of exceptional media exposure, with the publication of many &#8220;news&#8221; of imprecise, inexact or even false contents, which did not help, in the least, the discovery of the truth and created, many times, a climate of unusual commotion and of lack of serenity&#8221;.

&#8230;..Predictably they failed to take credit for being the ones who leaked the imprecise, inexact and false contents!!!
While admitting this did not help in the discovery of the truth!!
******

If you see nothing wrong with the spin the PJ put in their report about the false leaks...while not take responsibility for those leaks......
...Well that's your choice and your problem!!

SleuthMom did you really expect me to say the whole report was a lie?

If so i'm sorry to disappoint you but I have only ever been interested in the truth.
Which is why I never bought into all the nasty rumours and lies that sounded more ridiculous by the day!!

The PJ can continue to spin all they want but the result tells us the truth about their lies.

 

[Texana]

April, I had a dream where you said just what you did about only being interested in the truth...and you were about to talk about why the McCanns have lied as well...

And then I woke up, doggone it, and here we are back to the same old same old.

Seriously, if we're going to paint the PJ/Portuguese as liars, we must also confront the fact that the McCanns also stretched the truth. Why? Because they were fearful of being punished when they were innocent? Because they truly did not think that anyone would believe the truth?

Or because they were attempting to cover their own tracks and distract the police?

We can start with the incident where Mrs. Fenn reported that Maddie was crying for over an hour, but the McCanns told the PJ their regular routine was to check on the children every thirty minutes.

One of them is lying, either on purpose, or incompetence. Which one?

 

[april4sky]

April, I had a dream where you said just what you did about only being interested in the truth...and you were about to talk about why the McCanns have lied as well...

And then I woke up, doggone it, and here we are back to the same old same old.

Seriously, if we're going to paint the PJ/Portuguese as liars, we must also confront the fact that the McCanns also stretched the truth. Why? Because they were fearful of being punished when they were innocent? Because they truly did not think that anyone would believe the truth?

Or because they were attempting to cover their own tracks and distract the police?

We can start with the incident where Mrs. Fenn reported that Maddie was crying for over an hour, but the McCanns told the PJ their regular routine was to check on the children every thirty minutes.

One of them is lying, either on purpose, or incompetence. Which one?

Texana we have been over Mrs Fenn. And while there may well be inconsistancies between some statemants none of us yet know the truth of those. :waitasec:

And none of what you are claiming comes close to being evidence that the McCanns harmed their child.

And WHY?? do you think abduction is still one of the options...and that according to the PJ!!!

Texana it's nice to know that you are waking up if you are now recognising the PJ's lies...and incompetance.
....It would be refreshing as I have yet to see the anti McCanns do that.

And for a true BIG PICTURE you need to do that.

 

[Ciara]

I am not as informed on details as some in this thread even though I have forgotten more than I have read on this case since it began.

I do know this though......I am in the UK and if the McCanns had been Mr and Mrs Joe Average there is just no way they would have gotten all the help and attention they got from this Government of ours. Its one of the things that have annoyed me most about this case.

The way these two got all that special treatment has been annoying to me especially the audience with The Pope. Not only did I think they did not deserve that but also that they were hypocritical for doing it. I also wonder what made them more deserving of it than any other parent whose child has gone missing.

For the longest time I was not totally convinced of their guilt but I just cant ignore that most of what evidence there is points to them and one thing I have no doubt over and thats the fact that I think Jane Tanner is a liar. I dont believe she ever saw a man carrying a child.

I think she made that up to either cover up what happened or because she believed The McCanns were innocent and wanted to "help" them out.

 

[Salem]

This is OFF TOPIC - I'm sorry to interrupt the good discussion going on, but I just wanted to share that the United States has its own Maddie investigation going on right now in the case of Caylee Anthony. The media, the spin and the neglectful parent.

Here, in our great country though, the parent is in jail with a $500,000 bond.

The McCanns should be quite happy they did not vacation in the US when they decided to leave those defenseless children alone.

You may now go back to your regulary scheduled typing

Salem

 

[Ciara]

I am following Caylee's case too Salem. There are so many people posting there though that I just read instead. They need to keep that Casey right where she is.

In the case of The McCanns its not what you know its WHO you know that kept them out of jail.

 

[april4sky]

This is OFF TOPIC - I'm sorry to interrupt the good discussion going on, but I just wanted to share that the United States has its own Maddie investigation going on right now in the case of Caylee Anthony. The media, the spin and the neglectful parent.

Here, in our great country though, the parent is in jail with a $500,000 bond.

The McCanns should be quite happy they did not vacation in the US when they decided to leave those defenseless children alone.

You may now go back to your regulary scheduled typing

Salem

Sorry Salem but the only similarity is that a child is missing IMO.

And thank God the PJ are not investigating Caylee's disapearance. :clap:

 

[iNTERESTEDWOMAN]

Sorry Salem but the only similarity is that a child is missing IMO.

And thank God the PJ are not investigating Caylee's disapearance. :clap:

So what is your take on the cadaver odor detected by dogs in Casey's (Caylee's mother) trunk? You state the only similarity between these 2 little girls is a missing child, so do you think the dogs were correct in Caylee's case? I would love to know your feelings on this...interesting.

 

[iNTERESTEDWOMAN]

From: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2433152&postcount=364
Thanks Colomom

Kate&#8217;s notes:

&#8220;Frustration with a police employee: asking me where my little Madeleine might be&#8230;&#8221; May 14

&#8220;Very upsetting. If the authorities had acted swiftly, we would now hold this potentially important information. She deserves better. We need everyone involved to give their best&#8221; June 12

&#8220;How does anyone dare to insinuate that our daughter&#8217;s life may be in danger because of us?&#8221; June 17

You have got to be freaking kidding me. Hellooooo Kate, are you in la...la land again? Been hitting the hooch pretty hard it appears. You left your babies ALONE...YES YOU and that arrogant P***y whipped husband of yours are responsible for the fact that Madeleine's life is/was in danger...

My nine year old son has more remorse over a dead toad than Kate and Gerry combined for their missing DAUGHTER. I'm serious. What is so sad and shocking is that the world is full of people like the McCanns. They'll defend one another until the end of time...sick

 

[SleuthMom]

So what is your take on the cadaver odor detected by dogs in Casey's (Caylee's mother) trunk? You state the ONLY similarity between these 2 little girls is a missing child, so I am assumeing you think the dogs were correct in Caylee's case? I would love to know your feelings on this...interesting.

I don't know why you bother to ask that, like if we don't know what the answer will be. April have clearly stated there are some truths on the report from PJ but she is the one who chooses and picks what is fact and what isn't, so convenient.

And by the way April, just because some of us think the parents are guilty doesn't make us Anti-Mc Canns as I don't think your position in believing they are innocent makes you pro-Mc Cann, unless you personally do and admit it of course.

 

[colomom]

Sorry Salem but the only similarity is that a child is missing IMO.

And thank God the PJ are not investigating Caylee's disapearance. :clap:

I don't want to be banned so, I will bite my tongue.

1. Very close in age and in appearance.

2. Middle class white family.

3. Cadaver dogs hit at house and in car.

4. Dirt found in car so LE thought body may have been moved.

5. Cadaver scent explained as coming from rotten food (pizza, with maggots!).

6. No evidence of an abduction.

7. Conflicting stories and timelines.

8. Mother shows lack of emotion and even smiles.

It would probably be better if the PJ was investigating because the local LE in Orange County (Orlando) Florida have an abysmal record of solving crimes. I believe that I read only 1 in 6 cases solved.

People should not comment on that which they no nothing about, obviously.

 

[SleuthMom]

1. Very close in age and in appearance.

2. Middle class white family.

3. Cadaver dogs hit at house and in car.

4. Dirt found in car so LE thought body may have been moved.

5. Cadaver scent explained as coming from rotten food (pizza, with maggots!).

6. No evidence of an abduction.

7. Conflicting stories and timelines.

8. Mother shows lack of emotion and even smiles.

:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:

 

[april4sky]

So what is your take on the cadaver odor detected by dogs in Casey's (Caylee's mother) trunk? You state the only similarity between these 2 little girls is a missing child, so do you think the dogs were correct in Caylee's case? I would love to know your feelings on this...interesting.

IW I thought you had me on ignore. :waitasec:

I don't agree with Salem regarding similarities with the McCanns. The fact they have been cleared supports that. NO evidence!!! And abduction is still one of the PJ's theories!!
Every case is different...though all are equally heartbreaking.

As for little Caylee I fully agree with Salem.

I believe Casey is a compulsive liar and the police have proof of that.
There is no excuse for not reporting her daughter missing, in fact it was the grandmother who finally did that.
And the grandmother saying the car smelt as though a dead body had been inside...is a big clue.
It will be interesting to hear the DNA results.

It's not sounding good but I do hope the smell wasn't from Caylee and that they find that precious little girl safe.

 

[Ciara]

I disagree that there is no evidence pointing towards the McCanns. In fact, I think what evidence there is, points directly towards them.

 

[april4sky]

I don't want to be banned so, I will bite my tongue.

Neither do I.

1. Very close in age and in appearance.

And your point? Why would you think this is relevant?

2. Middle class white family.

So? Point? Relevance?

3. Cadaver dogs hit at house and in car.

NO DNA evidence to Madeleine!! Which is why abduction is still on the table.

4. Dirt found in car so LE thought body may have been moved.

LE thought :waitasec: So it must be true then.

5. Cadaver scent explained as coming from rotten food (pizza, with maggots!).

So!!..Anyone asked and not knowing could have wondered the same!!

6. No evidence of an abduction.

NO evidence there wasn't...Abduction is still on the table!! And the PJ failed to secure the crime scene so evidence of an abduction could have been lost!!

7. Conflicting stories and timelines.

Inconsistancies are normal. It would be abnormal if they were synchronized!!

8. Mother shows lack of emotion and even smiles.

She has shown emotion IMO. But geez Colomom she smiles. :waitasec:

It would probably be better if the PJ was investigating because the local LE in Orange County (Orlando) Florida have an abysmal record of solving crimes. I believe that I read only 1 in 6 cases solved.

I doubt that Salem would agree with you!! I hope to God they are better that the cops on Madeleines case!!

People should not comment on that which they no nothing about, obviously.

Obviously.