Madeleine McCann General Discussion Thread No. 23

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  • #201
WARNING RE MICHAEL SHRIMPTON

Michael Shrimpton is a maverick. He is also, on occasions, a fantasist. I am certain he knows nothing about the case of Madeleine McCann.

He is an expert lawyer in his chosen fields, which include constitutional law, weights and measures (he's a keen defender of Imperial measures and deteremined opponent of the metric sysytem), and branches of the criminal law. He can sometimes be brilliant, with a wonderful and encyclopaedic knowledge of the law in his areas of expertise. He is a showman and entertainer and can be very witty in court.

But his fantasies extend for example to his regarding the Irish potato famine as an Prussian anti-British plot using an early form of bacteriological (germ) warfare. I have the article somewhere but can't locate it. It is quite funny, though it's not meant to be. But it's not true.

Colomon wrote this: "Michael Shrimpton is a very powerful lawyer with major 'connections' in very high places. Check out that website for a list of some of his many accomplishments and his background".

I respectfully disagree. He is not as powerful as all that - he is not a Q.C. for example - and his connections are not as 'major' as perhaps he thinks.

Here's an offering he circulated in April this year to a eurosceptic list about the death of British Labour MP Gwyneth Dunwoody. His references to various people being German agents must be taken with many grains of salt:

QUOTE from Michael Shrimpton

Correct Bob, re Rippon, also Seligman, Jenkins and Attlee. Interestingly the exposure of Clement Attlee as a paedophile and a German agent, who betrayed War Cabinet secrets to Germany throughout World War Two, or at least until the autumn of 1944, when it was decided to concentrate on soft power, may have helped kill off dear old Dunwoody, who had sound albeit soft views on the EU.

Attlee's disastrous tenure at Number 10 saw Britain and India punished for beating Germany. The 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬 had millions killed in India and poor people in particular still suffer from the facile and filthy NHS and the smashing-up of our wonderful old railways. The poor also suffered from his decision to impose austerity. The betrayal of dear, loyal Burma to those murderous Commie bastards in Peking, seeking to drench their hands in native Rhodesian blood even as we speak, as they desperately try to rearm their man Mugabe, so he can start another killing spree and murder his way out of the crisis brought on by his humiliating rejection at the polls, was particuarly immoral.

Dundwoody's father was close to Attlee and was made General Secretary of the Labour Party in 1944. The Party has always been a front for German Intelligence from the time it was set up by Keir Hardie and Ramsay Macdonald of the Imperial German Secret Service. Her father almost certianly knew that Attlee had been wokrig hard for a Nazi victory and held the turth back from his daughter.

The shattering truth was that Clement Attlee was a sickening sexual pervert and one of the greatest political criminals this country has produced, who was blackmailed by German Intelligence from his student days and supplied by them with poor boys from the East End to abuse, through Toynbee Hall, named after another German spy, the notorious Arnold Toynbee, is spreading through the Labour Party. Toynbee Hall was then a front for German Intelligence, and was later used to humiliate Jack Profumo, whom the Germans feared as a rival to their man Macmillan, and who was set up using a GO2 agent named Stephen Ward.

Nobody knows how many British troops died in both world wars because of Attlee, and in fairness some of the secrets he passed to his Abwehr paymasters in the second war with Germany would have been betrayed anyway, as the Germans controlled the Cabinet Office through Hankey, another paedophile, and had access to all War Cabinet minutes (it is known the German copies of the minutes date from the war).

The failure to spot Attlee and Hankey was the greatest counter-intelligence failure of the Second World War. Both men should have been taken to an MI18 safe-house, tortured agonisingly to death to reveal the rest of the German network, and had their carcasses weighted with bricks and tossed in the Thames. The public could have been told they died in a plane crash, or some other such nonsense. God knows the public are never told the truth about their politicians. Almost every thing the public is told by Whitehall is a lie anyway. The first clues about Attlee did not come until about 1950, when it was decided he had to be got rid of politically, a very weak substitute for trying and hanging him. Some of the young boys were badly damaged internally and the doctors who treated them seem to have worked out it was Attlee and briefed in a medical adviser to MI5. In fairness to the King, who sacked Attlee's government, the full extent of Attlee's treason was not known. We have only recently been able to gain access to DVD archives, through slightly devious means which need not be elaborated upon (the DVD murder their own people not infrequently, which means they will talk if they fear exposure to their own people, I will say no more than that).

The shocking truth may have been too much for a Labour stalwart like Gwynneth Dunwoody. Labour are of course desperate to hide the truth about the origins of their Party, although you may see fewer copies of the Ragged Trousered Philanthropist, a political forgery to rival the notorious Protocols of the Learned Eldrs of Zion, on sale in their bookshop, from now on.

Expect more Labour MPs to drop dead suddenly.

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  • #202
Anyone who think that the Irish Famine was a Prussian Anti British plot or whatever is a Nut:mad:
As to the McCanns.......I am sickened by the whole story from start to finish. With them its not what you know, but rather WHO you know.
 
  • #203
Clement Attlee always gave me the creeps. Now I know why. The Brit government was run by a bunch of pederasts in those years. The tales of the boys from the orphanages have just come out recently.

Michael Shrimpton knows where all the bodies are buried.

Just who are the McCanns' REAL connections?
 
  • #204
I posted this on another forum on 24 December 2007, when Michael Shrimpton's name came up re Madeleine McCann. I do not say Shrimpton is wrong about everything. But he mixes facts and fantasy:

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Tony Bennett says:
December 24th 2007 at 8.43am

530 yesterday’s thread - Daisy wrote (December 24th, 2007 at 3:35 am):
“For people asking me yesterday for some more info on some of my views, here follows the Shrimpton Paper that I came across on a website (far down the page, past the photos of missing children). I found his report extremely interesting…”

REPLY BY TONY: Michael Shrimpton’s claims about the intelligence world need to be taken with more than a few pinches of salt. He may be a talented barrister on issues like the British constitution and weights and measures, but when it comes to intelligence, his more extravagant claims include:
1. The Irish potato blight blight in the 1840s was caused by an early form of Prussian biological warfare
2. Former British Prime Minister Edward Heath was a paid German agent from World War II to his death, taking his instructions from Germans, and paid by a clandestine MI6-type agency called ‘DVD’ based in southern Germany
3. David Kelly (government scientist researching ‘weapons of mass destruction’ and who was held to have committed suicide) was murdered by Iraqi secret service agents.

Steer well clear

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P.S. Personally I do not discount the possibility that Dr David Kelly might have been murdered, especially as the pathologist who carried out the post-mortem was the discredited Dr Michael Heath. But...by Iraqi secret service agents, hiding in the Oxfordshire woods? - TB

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  • #205
I posted this on an other forum on 24 December 2007, when Michael Shrimpton's name came up re Madeleine McCann. I do not say Shrimpton is wrong about everything. But he mixes facts and fantasy:

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Tony Bennett says:
December 24th 2007 at 8.43am

530 yesterday’s thread - Daisy wrote (December 24th, 2007 at 3:35 am):
“For people asking me yesterday for some more info on some of my views, here follows the Shrimpton Paper that I came across on a website (far down the page, past the photos of missing children). I found his report extremely interesting…”

REPLY BY TONY: Michael Shrimpton’s claims about the intelligence world need to be taken with more than a few pinches of salt. He may be a talented barrister on issues like the British constitution and weights and measures, but when it comes to intelligence, his more extravagant claims include:
1. The Irish potato blight blight in the 1840s was caused by an early form of Prussian biological warfare
2. Former British Prime Minister Edward Heath was a paid German agent from World War II to his death, taking his instructions from Germans, and paid by a clandestine MI6-type agency called ‘DVD’ based in southern Germany
3. David Kelly (government scientist researching ‘weapons of mass destruction’ and who was held to have committed suicide) was murdered by Iraqi secret service agents.

Steer well clear

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P.S. Personally I do not discount the possibility that Dr David Kelly might have been murdered, especially as the pathologist who carried out the post-mortem was the discredited Dr Michael Heath. But...by Iraqi secret service agents, hiding in the Oxfordshire woods? - TB

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  • #206
http://www.eubusiness.com/news-eu/1215507722.06

EU unable to agree child alert system, but boosts cooperation
08 July 2008, 12:51 CET

(CANNES) - European nations agreed Tuesday to cooperate more closely in the hunt for lost children but could not endorse a Europe-wide alert system sought by the parents of missing British toddler Madeleine McCann.

EU justice ministers ministers, at informal talks in the French Riveria resort city of Cannes, decided to set up national police centres to coordinate any international search when it becomes necessary.

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  • #207
http://www.the3arguidos.net/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=17639&sid=bc0b57038e12a8b52be42385a48893c2

Post subject: Relevant info?

Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 5:03 am

BeoWulf: Site Admin

I have received some information from the same sources that i have posted before, however, my lack of time didn't allow me to concentrate and put all together in one post as i would like to do. Other reason that kept me from doing so was some previous comments regarding the same as always criticism about "sources", but as i said before, I'm just giving out information that was given to me that i don't confirm how much truth it has, I'm juts letting people know and discuss about it.

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  • #208
No Breakthrough For McCanns

Martin Brunt
July 8, 2008 12:43 PM

Not sure I share Clarence Mitchell's optimism over the McCanns&#8217; victory in getting access to some of the Leicestershire police files on the Madeleine investigation.
Outside the High Court he talked of "80 potential new leads."

But they're not new. They've been in police hands for a year or more and haven't led to any breakthrough.

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http://blogs.news.sky.com/lifeofcrime/Post:282c8d82-ab89-45fa-a5be-bccfb14e765c
 
  • #209
theeyeofsauronwithmountdoominthebac.jpg


Don't look now Tony but a certain evil eye is turned in your direction....

http://tinyurl.com/5sohss

Madeleine McCann: Kate and Gerry's fury at 'club' devoted to prosecuting them

By Gordon Rayner, Chief Reporter
Last Updated: 7:55PM BST 08/07/2008

Gerry and Kate McCann have expressed their anger at the establishment of a fee-paying "club" dedicated to seeing them prosecuted over the disappearance of their daughter Madeleine.

A retired British solicitor, Tony Bennett, has set up a fund called The Madeleine Foundation, which aims to bring a private prosecution against the McCanns for alleged child neglect.

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  • #210
I say Tony Bennett Rocks!!!!:clap::clap::clap::clap:
 
  • #211
It seems very wrong to me.Whats it got to do with him anyway? It is up to the courts and the police to bring charges of ANY kind surely? I would certainly NEVER contribute to anything like that "fund".
 
  • #212
As wise woman once said "it takes a village" and she was absolutely correct.

There is no way that I am going to stand by and watch while someone abuses a defenseless child. If that child's own parents are not going to protect them, and if there is any way possible for me to protect them, well, you can bet that I will!!

It appears to me that Tony B is trying to protect the children in the UK by making sure that the actions of the few are not viewed as acceptable by the majority of parents.

Maddie and the twins were neglected (and abused, IMO) and the parents should be held accountable. Especially considering the result of those actions.

From the Children's Bill of Rights:

Children are the future of our species. How a society treats its children is a direct reflection of how that society looks at its future. The Children's Bill of Rights proposes rights for children that all adults on Earth should honor, so that we may help create the very best future for ourselves and, in turn, our own children.

15. Right to life, physical integrity and protection from maltreatment

Children have the right to be protected from all forms of maltreatment by any adult, including a parent.


From: http://www.newciv.org/ncn/cbor.html
 
  • #213
daffodil asked: "What's it got to do with him?"

REPLY: Well, since you ask, daffodil, it has everything to do with me and practically the whole world.

Madeleine's name is one of the best known on the planet.

We were asked to look for her.

We were asked to give generously to the private trust set up by the McCanns - you know, the one that paid the McCanns' mortgage payments, before someone rumbled them, and which after 14 months has produced no accounts and won't say how much money they've received.

We watched as the McCanns went to the White House, the Pope, TV studio after TV studio, blaming an evil paedophile abductor, blaming the Portuguese police, shifting the focus from their own admitted negligence to the Amber Alert system - when they should have been saying loud and clear: 'NEVER LEAVE YOUNG CHILDREN ALONE'.

No, with the greatest of respect, daffodil, the McCanns made Madeleine OURS.

We ALL want to know what happened to her. We have been endowed with crtitical faculties, and as this forum and many like it have shown, there are very many people out there who do not buy the abduction claim, and desperately want the truth about what happened to this 3-year-old girl who was left along night after night whilst her parents were downing wine and strawberry daiquiris.

I've been asked by the 'Truth for Madeleine' administrator just now to post up some details about The Madeleine Foundation, following the 'Dailyu Telegraph' news report about us. Here's what I posted up here a few minutes ago, sorry it's a bit long:

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[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/madeleinemccann/2270467/Madeleine-McCann-Kate-and-Gerry%27s%27-fury-at-%27club%27-devoted-to-prosecuting-them.html?service=print[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]Website - well in progress but not ready quite yet[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]E-mail: [email protected][/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]'Phone [/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]Debbie Butler, Chairman 07867 887066[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]or[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]Tony Bennett, Secretary 01279 635789, or Mobile 07835 716537 [/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]We have set annual membership at &#163;10.00[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]Payments to 'The Madeleine Foundation' and to be sent please to 66 Chippingfield, HARLOW, Essex CM17 0DJ.[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]We have a bank account, details will be given on application and, yes, we accept payments by BACS or internet.[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]The Madeleine Foundation is a democratic membership organisation open to anyone aged 16 or over who supports the following aims as set out in our constitution, approved on 26 January 2008:[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]FAQs Question 2: What are your aims?[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]ANSWER: An initial meeting held in January approved these seven main aims. They are subject to amendment at our first Annual Meeting:[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]a) to make every effort to ensure that Kate and Gerry McCann are prosecuted for their admitted abandoning of their children six nights in a row in Praia da Luz[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]b) to change the law in whatever way is needed in order to send out a clear message to all parents that leaving young children on their own is never acceptable, and to strive for the adoption of a &#8216;Madeleine&#8217;s Law&#8217; with its key message: &#8220;Never leave young children on their own&#8221; [/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]c) to pursue - in conjunction with others - the truth about Madeleine McCann&#8217;s disappearance on 3 May 2007, and in particular to encourage Kate and Gerry McCann and the friends who were with them in Praia da Luz to tell the truth about Madeleine&#8217;s disappearance[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]d) to investigate the facts behind the extent of British government involvement in this case and the reasons for it [/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]e) to ensure that the media, in particular the British media, report this case accurately and give due weight to the opinions of so many of the general public that the McCanns are withholding the truth about Madeleine&#8217;s disappearance[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]f) to demand a full-scale investigation by the relevant authorities into the activities of the Find Madeleine Fund private trust and to encourage the trustees of that fund to give full particulars about its income and expenditure to the public who have donated so generously to it with the express purpose of finding Madeleine[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]g) to generally promote the welfare of children, in particular by ensuring that parents are aware of the psychological needs of their children and ensuring that the relevant authorities take appropriate action to safeguard and promote the welfare of children.[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]Members will be invited to take part in all decision-making and will receive regular information about what the Madeleine Foundation is doing. [/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]Please be patient if we feel the need to ask you one or two questions before accepting you into membership.[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]The Madeleine Foundation is only for those committed to achieving our above aims.[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]The disappearance of Madeleine McCann is both highly controversial and highly emotive. People have taken sides. Very strong words have been said on both sides. Poor Madeleine McCann has thus proved to be a divisive figure. For the McCanns and those who support them, the stakes are high. [/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]The case of the disappearance of Madeleine McCann has many parallels with other cases where families have cried 'abduction' when their infant child has gone missing - only for us all to find out later that the child has died at the hands of the parents, whether accidentally, negligently or intentionally.[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]In such circumstances it is very possible that there may be people who wish to sign up to The Madeleine Foundation who are not in sympathy with our aims at all.[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]We await developments in Portugal and Leicestershire where two separate police forces are sitting on thousands of pages of evidence, in relation to an unexplained disappearance and possible homicide. [/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]One thing is certain. There is precious little evidence of an abduction.[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]If no charges are brought against the McCanns, an Inquest must be held[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]Should the Portuguese police fail to bring any charges against Kate and Gerry McCann arising out of the circumstances surrounding the 'disappearance' of Madeleine McCann, it is the settled intention of the Madeleine Foundation to ask the relevant authorities, whether in Portugal or England, to hold an Inquest.[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]Inquests are routinely held on missing persons. Most will recall, for example, the Inquest held on the missing canoeist, who later turned up in Panama.[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]In the absence of a prosecution of the McCanns, an Inquest is the best method that would then be available of getting to the truth about how Madeleine McCann went missing. And it would enable the many witnesses who have remained silent until now to say in open court what they know about the events from 28 April to 4 May in Praia da Luz [/FONT]


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  • #214
I was going to answer Daffodil, Tony, but you are clearly more than capable of defending yourself.

Here, here. You rock!

And let me point out: That despite repeated and numerous opportunities, the McCanns have never, ever condemned or asked that the "babywatching" (an oxymoron in itself) practice be discontinued or made illegal.

The one thing that would have kept Madeleine safe, no matter who came to the room, was the allowance of that practice, and the McCanns insistence that they were "doing their own form of babywatching."

Instead of condemning it, the McCanns have defended it.

So yes, any kind of organized effort to see that this is stopped, and never allowed to happen to another child, I applaud.

That the McCanns are held accountable for their acts and decisions (which they also refuse to take responsibility for) is just going to be icing on the cake. (That's an American idiom for "extra benefit.")

Colomom, that picture was the best thing, evah. You rock, too.
 
  • #215
As wise woman once said "it takes a village" and she was absolutely correct.

There is no way that I am going to stand by and watch while someone abuses a defenseless child. If that child's own parents are not going to protect them, and if there is any way possible for me to protect them, well, you can bet that I will!!

It appears to me that Tony B is trying to protect the children in the UK by making sure that the actions of the few are not viewed as acceptable by the majority of parents.

Maddie and the twins were neglected (and abused, IMO) and the parents should be held accountable. Especially considering the result of those actions.

From the Children's Bill of Rights:

Children are the future of our species. How a society treats its children is a direct reflection of how that society looks at its future. The Children's Bill of Rights proposes rights for children that all adults on Earth should honor, so that we may help create the very best future for ourselves and, in turn, our own children.

15. Right to life, physical integrity and protection from maltreatment

Children have the right to be protected from all forms of maltreatment by any adult, including a parent.


From: http://www.newciv.org/ncn/cbor.html
Well said colomon:clap::clap:
 
  • #216
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]We have set annual membership at &#163;10.00[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]Payments to 'The Madeleine Foundation' and to be sent please to 66 Chippingfield, HARLOW, Essex CM17 0DJ.[/FONT]

An excellent Madeleine thread here and well worth reading.
Very informative!!

http://www.democracyforum.co.uk/talk-about-anything/44100-tony-bennett-mccanns-3.html

And according to post 258 on Page 26 Mr Bennett the address you are asking people to send money to is your address.

Is this true?
If true I think people should have been informed of this up front!!
 
  • #217
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]We have set annual membership at £10.00[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]Payments to 'The Madeleine Foundation' and to be sent please to 66 Chippingfield, HARLOW, Essex CM17 0DJ.[/FONT]

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http://www.democracyforum.co.uk/talk-about-anything/44100-tony-bennett-mccanns-3.html

An excellent Madeleine thread here and well worth reading. Very informative!!

And according to post 258 Mr Bennett the address you are asking people to send money is your address.

Is this true?
If true I think people should have been informed of this up front!!

What's the difference between this (which is a year after Madeleine disappeared) and the Find Madeleine fund?

Nobody has to contribute to either.

Madeleine's fund is not a non profit, either. You can't...aw, April you know what I'm going to say already (have it both ways.) :crazy:
 
  • #218
What's the difference between this (which is a year after Madeleine disappeared) and the Find Madeleine fund?

Nobody has to contribute to either.

Madeleine's fund is not a non profit, either. You can't...aw, April you know what I'm going to say already (have it both ways.) :crazy:
If you don't see it Texana...No worries!!

But I don't believe the McCanns have requested money sent direct to them.

The problem if true is that people were not informed.

If true they should have been.....up front!!

And no nobody has to contribute but before people do they should be given the chance to make a fully informed decision. IMO
 
  • #219
It seems very wrong to me.Whats it got to do with him anyway? It is up to the courts and the police to bring charges of ANY kind surely? I would certainly NEVER contribute to anything like that "fund".

Me neither daffodil.
It also begs the question...which was asked here by Chikrodah....

http://www.democracyforum.co.uk/talk-about-anything/44100-tony-bennett-mccanns-26.html

"If I set up a charitable trust to fund my own pet obsession, can I advertise on this forum too?
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  • #220
Right April.Whilst I agree with keeping children safe (who wouldnt?) this whole set up reeks of vigilantism and is just wrong.No matter what we believe or feel about the McCanns (and imo some peoples judgement is colored by their dislike for them) we simply DONT KNOW what happened to Madeleine and until something,anything points definitively to their involvement I will not be part of it.
 
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