Madeleine McCann General Discussion Thread No. 23

[april4sky]

The answer to to Chikrodah's question is....Not on Websleuths. That is for sure.

We have a hard and fast rule. No fishing for donations to "pet" projects unless it is approved first.

The mods and I will be reviewing Tony Bennet's postings and decide if TOS has been violated.

Tricia

Thank you Tricia.

 

[april4sky]

McCanns win MEPs' backing for abduction alert system

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/new...MEPs'-backing-for-abduction-alert-system.html

For a declaration lodged in the European Parliament to become a resolution, a simple majority of 393 MEPs must sign it, and today the tally reached 398, meaning it will now be sent to the EU children's commissioner with a recommendation that it is implemented.

Gerry and Kate McCann said in a statement: "This is wonderful news. We would like to thank each and every one of the MEPs who backed this declaration.
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Hopefully now the powers that be will do what's needed to set up an Amber Alert system in Europe.

 

[CW]

The owner of ws (tricia) has let you all know that this matter regarding donations and Tony B is being reviewe. Since Tricia has posted I have not seen another off topic post and i want to thank you all. But if this thread starts going off topic again we are forwarning our members that this thread is about Maddy not Tony B.
Sincerely,
windchime

 

[Texana]

I agree with Rino, the term "witch hunt" is very pejorative.

Witch hunts were about completely innocent people being hounded for being different.

The McCanns are not completely innocent. They chose to leave three young children alone, in a foreign hotel room, repeatedly.

Obviously, if an adult had been present in the room, or the children had been in the night time creche, chances are very good none of us would be here talking now about Madeleine McCann.

So the McCanns are guilty at the very least, of abdicating responsibility for their children. They are guilty of poor judgment, at the very least, perhaps that is all, but they are guilty of something.

There could have been a fire, an accident, the children getting into medicine, accidentally suffocating, walking out and falling into the pool, we could go on and on.

It's simply not fair to claim they are being under a "witch hunt" when it is their own actions that contributed to this situation.

 

[Ciara]

I agree with you Texana. They should never have left those children alone.
I think what galls people more and makes them angry is the fact they never held their hands up and said that they know they shouldnt have. Instead, they have excused it. Even if they are not guilty of what happened to Madeleine, they are guilty of neglect for leaving three children alone while they were out drinking wine.

 

[Texana]

I agree with you Texana. They should never have left those children alone.
I think what galls people more and makes them angry is the fact they never held their hands up and said that they know they shouldnt have. Instead, they have excused it. Even if they are not guilty of what happened to Madeleine, they are guilty of neglect for leaving three children alone while they were out drinking wine.

Right. In all fairness, they have admitted they were wrong, but they always soften or excuse their actions, or most appalling--they get snippy with reporters who ask about it. "actually quite boring" according to Gerry.

Kate repeatedly said that it felt safe. Then she said that it wasn't a decision at all. Then she said that she and Gerry did respond to Madeleine's question about "why didn't you come" with the decision to more closely supervise the children.

And yet, they then left the children alone again.

They have never yet condemned their own actions by telling everyone not to do as they did, not to trust the "babywatching system" no matter what, not to ever, ever leave children alone, no matter how safe it "feels."

Why don't they? They've already admitted they left the children alone. Saying they thought it was right at the time, but now see how wrong it was, that's not going to bring them into more trouble. If anything, a show of recognition that their decision wasn't safe and they actively speak out against that, would be in their favor.

 

[Ciara]

I think it would have been more in their favour too had they said "Yes it was the wrong thing to do leaving them and we deeply regret it now" rather than "we felt it was safe" etc......I think that alone made people turn against them to some degree including myself.

 

[Texana]

I think it would have been more in their favour too had they said "Yes it was the wrong thing to do leaving them and we deeply regret it now" rather than "we felt it was safe" etc......I think that alone made people turn against them to some degree including myself.

You must be a mind reader! That is exactly what I almost said, and then thought it too much.

A sincerely said, deeply felt, admission of "I've done wrong and I'm sorry" would have earned the McCanns more sympathy and sincere empathy than anything else they could ever have said.

You are so right. :blowkiss: for saying it first.

 

[Ciara]

Well I know that they kind of lost my sympathy because they didnt accept responsibility for that Texana and I also think that they wouldnt have been hammered by questions about it so much either had they just said it was a wrong and stupid thing to do. People would have said "well no one can punish them more than they are punishing themselves now" etc and had more empathy with them. Because they didnt do that, I think people saw them as arrogant and unrepentant.
I hope they didnt have anything to do with Madeleine's disappearance but I still think they are guilty of leaving them alone underage in that apartment.

 

[Salem]

I agree with Rino, the term "witch hunt" is very pejorative.

Witch hunts were about completely innocent people being hounded for being different.

The McCanns are not completely innocent. They chose to leave three young children alone, in a foreign hotel room, repeatedly.

Obviously, if an adult had been present in the room, or the children had been in the night time creche, chances are very good none of us would be here talking now about Madeleine McCann.

So the McCanns are guilty at the very least, of abdicating responsibility for their children. They are guilty of poor judgment, at the very least, perhaps that is all, but they are guilty of something.

There could have been a fire, an accident, the children getting into medicine, accidentally suffocating, walking out and falling into the pool, we could go on and on.

It's simply not fair to claim they are being under a "witch hunt" when it is their own actions that contributed to this situation.

:clap::clap:

Well said Texana!

Salem

 

[Salem]

Does anyone still have the email for Portugese LE? I know we had it once, but I can't find it now ):

Salem

 

[colomom]

From: http://frommybigdesk.blogspot.com/

The Attorney General of the Republic (PGR), Pinto Monteiro, has asked the magistrates of the Public Ministry to send him the final report of the Madeleine McCann case, the whole lot, within three weeks.

Pinto Monteiro aims to decide on the follow-up to the PJ's investigations after the inspectors have sent to the Public Ministry a report about the investigation work carried out since Madeleine's disappearance. A report more than d**ning in the facts, but in which the inspectors, voluntarily, have not wanted to draw conclusions or accusations, leaving to the magistrates the responsibility for deciding what follows.
According to a senior PJ office in the Algarve region, "the absence of conclusions or accusations in the report sent to the Public Ministry should be interpreted as the magistrates being given the responsibility and political power in this case."

"The PJ have not had the possibilty of conducting the investigation in a calm way....there was interferance and pressure, in particular from the British authorities and their representatives in Portugal," the same officer accused, stressing that in the United Kingdom, the police officers who had gone to Portugal, "admitted having been under the same pressure."

The Attorney General Pinto Monteiro has analysed dozens of pages of the PJ's report and is only waiting for the magistrates' decision: carry out more work, wait for more evidence or clues, knowing that the investigation cannot purely and simply be archived, contrary to what certain media have claimed.

"Now, the magistrates must have the courage to read, understand and analyse our report. It is up to them to decide on what follows and to find out if they have the courage to face the British." the senior PJ officer concluded.

 

[Barnaby]

".......to find out if they have the courage to face the British........." Wow!

 

[colomom]

Thanks to ISAR on Proboards (he rocks!)

PJ Criminal Department, Portimão

Rua Pé da Cruz, 2, 8500-640 Portimão
Phone number: +351-282 405 400
Permanence Service: +351-282 427 671
Fax number: +351-282 412 763
E-mail: [email protected]

 

[Salem]

".......to find out if they have the courage to face the British........." Wow!

Exactly what I thought Barnaby! WOW!

Salem

 

[Salem]

Thanks to ISAR on Proboards (he rocks!)

PJ Criminal Department, Portimão

Rua Pé da Cruz, 2, 8500-640 Portimão
Phone number: +351-282 405 400
Permanence Service: +351-282 427 671
Fax number: +351-282 412 763
E-mail: [email protected]

Oh Colomom! You ROCK! Thank you so much for this. I will update all, when and if, I have something to tell you!

Salem

PS - Please thank ISAR for me!

 

[colomom]

Oh Colomom! You ROCK!

:blushing:

Thank you so much for this. I will update all, when and if, I have something to tell you!

Salem

PS - Please thank ISAR for me!

I will!!!

 

[nicola]

Just a thought. Could it be possible for maddie to have woke in middle of night and wandered outside to find parents, (then maybe got lost/injured herself in some concealed location). No intruder, no parents involvemnt in disappearance. Its just idea not what I believed happened at all, does anyone think it could be possible? I heard maddies toy was placed high on shelf. Maybe she threw it & it got stuck and she wanted mam/dad to get it down so she goes looking?

 

[Ciara]

you know what nicola.....anything is possible. Who really knows what happened. You have to wonder though if that were the case would they have not found her body by now unless it was some deep hole or something and they just missed it. I just wish we knew.

 

[Texana]

Just a thought. Could it be possible for maddie to have woke in middle of night and wandered outside to find parents, (then maybe got lost/injured herself in some concealed location). No intruder, no parents involvemnt in disappearance. Its just idea not what I believed happened at all, does anyone think it could be possible? I heard maddies toy was placed high on shelf. Maybe she threw it & it got stuck and she wanted mam/dad to get it down so she goes looking?

I think it's entirely possible. It's more likely that she would have wandered off rather than been abducted, but that brings to question why Kate's first assumption was, "They've taken her."