Madeleine McCann General Discussion Thread No. 23

[Salem]

Just a thought. Could it be possible for maddie to have woke in middle of night and wandered outside to find parents, (then maybe got lost/injured herself in some concealed location). No intruder, no parents involvemnt in disappearance. Its just idea not what I believed happened at all, does anyone think it could be possible? I heard maddies toy was placed high on shelf. Maybe she threw it & it got stuck and she wanted mam/dad to get it down so she goes looking?

According to Gerry, cuddlecat was in Maddie's bed and according to Kate, several months later, cuddlecat was on a shelf. So..... difficult to base theories on cuddlecat.

That being said.... anything is possible. Maddie could have wandered away and someone found her, she could have fallen into an old well or something. I would think though, that there would have been noticable odors after a period of time if she was anywhere near where people gather.

Salem

 

[Shazza]

Anything is possible.

The fact is no one here knows what happened to Madelaine, but there is someone out there that does, I believe in Karma, what goes around comes around.

How some people can sleep and carry on living a normal life when they know something very bad has happened to someone is well beyond my comprehension.

We are no closer to finding out the truth about Madelaine than the very first day she went missing.

Will we ever know the truth, sadly imo I don't think we will.

I think about Madelaine daily and it hurts to not know what happened to this beautiful little girl.

 

[Sheromom]

Regardless of what happened to Madeleine, her parents are the ones that caused it. I tend to think she is dead and that they are responsible for her death- whether or not they murdered her themselves. Just like a drunk driver who kills someone is responsible for their death, so are the McCanns GUILTY!!! For the life of me, I cannot understand why they haven't been charged.:furious:

 

[Barnaby]

According to Gerry, cuddlecat was in Maddie's bed and according to Kate, several months later, cuddlecat was on a shelf. So..... difficult to base theories on cuddlecat.

That being said.... anything is possible. Maddie could have wandered away and someone found her, she could have fallen into an old well or something. I would think though, that there would have been noticable odors after a period of time if she was anywhere near where people gather.

Salem

I agree Salem & it so baffles me why someone has not asked them directly & publicly why they both told different stories about Cuddle cat. I mean it was one or the other, cannot be both; on the bed or on the high shelf? so they need to tell us which it was & why one of them lied!
It was so surprising that the contradiction came so much later, was it bad memory on Kate's part or a subconscious need to tell the truth?
One would think that they would have gotten their stories straight at least! Not only are they nasty, they are stupid!
Which brings me again to the UK conspiracy theory, I wonder would these people really have had the brains to pull all of this off unassisted?

 

[ceeaura]

Regardless of what happened to Madeleine, her parents are the ones that caused it. I tend to think she is dead and that they are responsible for her death- whether or not they murdered her themselves. Just like a drunk driver who kills someone is responsible for their death, so are the McCanns GUILTY!!! For the life of me, I cannot understand why they haven't been charged.:furious:

I so agree with you.

 

[Tony Bennett]

Barnaby wrote: "I agree Salem & it so baffles me why someone has not asked them directly & publicly why they both told different stories about Cuddle Cat"

REPLY: Yes, Barnaby. Thousands of highly-paid journalists have written reams and reams about Madeleine's 'disappearance', and NOT ONE who has asked this question.

And there are many more similar basic ones that could and should be asked.

I believe it has been virtually admitted that the McCanns do not do interviews unless their PR and legal advisers tie the media down in advance as to what questions they are allowed to ask.

So much for investigative journalism! It has to be forum members and bloggers who ask these very basic questions - unbelievable. No wonder newspaper sales are slumping and Internet news-reading is sky-rocketing.

Whilst on the subject of Cuddle Cat, the way Kate McCann traipsed everywhere with Cuddle Cat, whenever the cameras were trained on her, was for me quite a telling example of how media-savvy this couple were from the outset. Kate was even seen getting Cuddle Cat out of her bag on occasions and placing it in her hands so that she could be sure that the cameras picked her up clutching 'Madeleine's favourite toy' while she was looking suitably 'distraught'.

Was it an act for the cameras?

Cuddle Cat, Cuddle Cat
Where have you been?
On a shelf, on a ledge,
In a bed I've been seen

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[Barnaby]

Barnaby wrote: "I agree Salem & it so baffles me why someone has not asked them directly & publicly why they both told different stories about Cuddle Cat"

REPLY: Yes, Barnaby. Thousands of highly-paid journalists have written reams and reams about Madeleine's 'disappearance', and NOT ONE who has asked this question.

And there are many more similar basic ones that could and should be asked.

I believe it has been virtually admitted that the McCanns do not do interviews unless their PR and legal advisers tie the media down in advance as to what questions they are allowed to ask.

So much for investigative journalism! It has to be forum members and bloggers who ask these very basic questions - unbelievable. No wonder newspaper sales are slumping and Internet news-reading is sky-rocketing.

Whilst on the subject of Cuddle Cat, the way Kate McCann traipsed everywhere with Cuddle Cat, whenever the cameras were trained on her, was for me quite a telling example of how media-savvy this couple were from the outset. Kate was even seen getting Cuddle Cat out of her bag on occasions and placing it in her hands so that she could be sure that the cameras picked her up clutching 'Madeleine's favourite toy' while she was looking suitably 'distraught'.

Was it an act for the cameras?

Cuddle Cat, Cuddle Cat
Where have you been?
On a shelf, on a ledge,
In a bed I've been seen

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Oh I think it was definitely an act for the cameras Tony & on the subject of Cuddle cat, it has been reported to have been purchased at the airport for Madeleine's 4th birthday which was after she disappeared. It could hardly have been her treasured toy at that rate! However, Kate McCann claimed that there was cadaver odour on the toy because she had attended six cadavers in the weeks preceeding her holiday.
Again why has noone asked which is the truth & if it wasn't so serious it would be amusing to ask - Why the heck would a doctor go to such a sombre occasion as to certify a dead body carrying a child's cuddly toy? Slightly disrespectful imo. I am sure the grieving relatives were impressed!

I do believe that the McCanns do only allow certain questions at interviews but I wish someone would find a way of asking these & other pertinent questions or do journalists only have a pack mentality & no brains or initiative?

 

[Salem]

Maybe we should send a list of questions to Oprah in preparation for their appearance on her show?

What do you think?

Salem

 

[Barnaby]

Maybe we should send a list of questions to Oprah in preparation for their appearance on her show?

What do you think?

Salem

Yes all for it if I thought for one minute it would do any good. Do you think that Oprah would overstep the boundaries?

 

[Salem]

You know, seriously, maybe we should send questions to Oprah. The "secrecy" will be lifted by then so the McCanns will be able to answer. Oprah could figure out how to phrase the questions in a "nonaccussory" manner......

Salem

 

[Salem]

Hey Barnaby, we were posting at the same time. I don't know if Oprah will ask the hard questions. BUT no one else has. It may be that the McCanns will review the advance list and refuse to go on the show? It's worth a shot though, I think.

Salem

 

[Salem]

1. Did you really leave your daughter and the twins alone again, after they let you know they had been crying for you the night before?
2. What exactly was the state of the windows and shutters when you returned to the apartment?
3. Was the door locked or unlocked?
4. Did Gerry enter the apartment and look down upon Maddie, or did he only listen at the door? Recent reports on the final police report indicate he did not actually enter the apartment.
5. Where exactly was cuddlecat? Was cuddlecat Maddie's favorite toy or was it planned as a birthday gift for Maddie's 4th birthday?
6. When David (or was it Matthew) stopped by the apartment that evening to "check on Kate" did he actually see Maddie?
7. Were you, or were you not, warned by MW staff that there had been a rash of burgarlies in the apartments and that you should not leave the children alone, as reported by MW staff?


What else guys?

Salem

 

[Barnaby]

Hey Barnaby, we were posting at the same time. I don't know if Oprah will ask the hard questions. BUT no one else has. It may be that the McCanns will review the advance list and refuse to go on the show? It's worth a shot though, I think.

Salem

It's certainly worth a shot Salem. It will be interesting when the secrecy is lifted to see if any journalist has the courage to ask pertinent questions. If there truly is a government cover up they will be gagged of course!

A few more questions:

1. Kate, if you truly thought that Madeleine had been abducted why did you leave the twins unattended in an unlocked apartment to run back to the Tapas bar?
2. If Jane was next door as she said she was why not just call or run for her?
3. Did neither of you honestly have mobile phones or watches at dinner on May 3rd? If the answer is no then how come Gerry was texting & you were so sure of the times of checks etc?
4. Just who did check on the kids that evening?
5. How many kids were in 3a?
6. As a mother you really must know if Madeleine had a cut or a nose bleed in the apartment, did she?
7. How could you have done your make up, coordinated your clothes & jewellery & lounged by the pool when your daughter was maybe with paedophiles? Where did you find the energy to jog?
8. Why did you not go out & look for your child?
9. Regardless of what you were advised, how the heck did you hide your emotions? Did you cry at home & if so what is your secret for keeping your eyelids from swelling & being obvious the next day?
10. Were you not afraid of something happening the twins while you jetted away? If you really thought that you were being watched why did you not keep a better eye on your children & did you not worry after Madeleine disappeared that this might be personal & someone would come to snatch the twins?
11. If Cuddle Cat was not purchased at the airport & you really did carry it around when you were working, can you tell us why you did that? Would it not be unusual for a doctor to go to a sombre occasion carrying a cuddly toy?
12. Why would you not answer all of PJs questions in the interest of helping to find your daughter?
13. Why would you not participate in a reconstruction if only to prove to PJ that your story was the truth?
14. Why did you not avail of the lie detector test that a newspaper offered to pay for? Ok it may not have been admissable in court but you were anxious to put paid to rumours of your guilt, surely that would have helped? You did say that you would take one!
15. When you shouted "They've taken her" Who exactly did you think "they" were?


I have loads more but these will do for starters!

 

[Texana]

All good questions, although the last one from Barnaby--"They've" taken her? Curious and curiouser, to say a "they" instead of Someone.

As for the Cuddle Cat questions, the McCanns and their spokesmen were very careful in making comments about that--and obviously, not answering questions.
It was never actually said that Kate took the cat with her to work, I believe, rather, just that Kate had been around 6 corpses in the previous weeks and the cadaver odor was on her clothes, belts, shoes, etc. So it was merely "transferred" to the toy.

Sound like a familiar line? Same as the DNA evidence and everything else. It's much easier to start throwing around words like "transfer" and confuse people.

I'm going to bet if these questions were ever allowed to be answered, the answers would be: "I don't recall, I can't say, I can't reveal that because of the investigation" and if pushed, "It's quite boring/useless/hurtful/harmful to Maddie to go over these things."

Well scripted answers to very troubling questions.

 

[Salem]

I sent the Oprah show the following email:

"Rumor has it that the Oprah show is working towards having Gerry and Kate McCann on the show. First, I am wondering if this is true (last time the rumors were false) and if it is, what type of show will it be? Will Oprah interview the McCanns and ask them questions or will the McCanns have control over what is said?
Thank you for your consideration of this matter."

Let's see what they have to say. If Oprah is going to ask questions - I'll combine ours and condense it down and submit it - sound like a plan?

Salem

 

[iNTERESTEDWOMAN]

My one and only question I would like answered is: "Why won't you voluntarily turn over your cell phone records to the police?"

If Madeleine was truly abducted as the McCanns insist, there could very well be a ransom call attempt made...even if it was a hang up, or private caller blocked number. For them to refuse to turn these records over to the police prove their guilt IMO. If they were truly innocent, and had nothing to hide, they would have turned the records over the day they became available from the cell phone provider.

 

[colomom]

I think Oprah should do a show where audience members can ask questions!!! You can bet I would figure out a way to be there. I am afraid that if they are interviewed by Oprah it will be with a pre-approved list of questions and questions that absolutely cannot be asked. Funny thing though, this crime has barely been reported on in this country and I find it hard to believe that Oprah would be willing to pay big bucks and have her show hijacked by a couple and a crime that Americans know so little about. I don't think the ratings would be all that great, except for us, of course. If it is confirmed that they will be appearing I will write to Oprah and remind her of a certain author named James Frey and a book called a Million Little Pieces....

My question would be...."is it true that you had booked a babysitter for the evening of May 3rd that was cancelled shortly before the scheduled time of arrival, and if so, why was it cancelled?"

I am with you on this one Salem!

 

[Morag]

I seem to remember that Gayle and Oprah gave the cruise ship "widow", Jennifer Smith (hubby fell overboard on honeymoon), a real hard time when she appeared on the show. They were incredulous and it showed. Gayle is a former television newswoman and has some interview skills. Do they have the nerve to rake the poor parents over the coals? (Hope so).

 

[Texana]

I have two more questions:

How did the photographers know to be at the airport at the right time to get those post vacation photos?

Do they stake out the airport, and why do the McCanns go overseas to another foreign country for a vacation again?

I don't know that much about vacationing in Britain, I've only been there myself on a sort of combined business/little sightseeing trip. Are all the usual places to vacation there pretty crowded?

And as a side note: The TV series Joan of Arcadia was back on Sci Fi channel, it's rather complicated, but the secondary plot is the family recovering from the tragic accident that paralyzed their teenage son. The mother wants to take a vacation at Christmas to get the family's mind off the tragedy, etc, and the father suggests Canada, and she says "Canada! That's where people go when they can't afford a real vacation."

I think the story is set up North, as it didn't make much sense to me. I think it must be a regional joke, like Texans going down to resorts near the border back before all the drug war violence started.

Anyways, the words "real vacation" and "Canada" are now stuck in my mind.

 

[colomom]

Hiya Tex,

The word is that Canada is in dire need of doctors, specifically in British Columbia and specifically cardiac doctors. I saw a reference to a "fast track" on the immigration process for those who fit the bill.

Perhaps this trip was to scope out the possibilities?

Did you notice how thin they looked in those pictures? Your question about the airport pictures is a good one. Perhaps a call was made to the local media or perhaps Jon Corner accompanied them like on the Huelva trip.

Where is Creepy Cat??