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Great salem, keep us posted
Madeleine McCann General Discussion Thread No. 23
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Hi Peeps,
I think it is a great idea to write to the Oprah show. There was an article on the 10th about windfall for the McCann's appearing on her show, so I went back to find a quote I remembered about $$'s and her show:
"Sky News, 28th January 2008
<snippet>
A spokeswoman for Harpo Productions, which produces the Oprah Winfrey show in the US, said: "While we've been in contact with the McCann family representatives, we are in no way involved in a bidding war.
"The Oprah Winfrey Show does not pay for news interviews."
http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Sky-Ne ... 2851302507"
I doubt it is true they would get paid one red cent for doing her show, as why would they make one exception to their rule?
Like I told our dear Colomom earlier, it reeks of SPIN, and it immediately brought this song to mind:
'You Spin Me Round'
Dead or Alive
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMwdAc1Dzfg
I'd love to hear the truth from Oprah and then have SKY News do a correction in their paper!
xox
I think it is a great idea to write to the Oprah show. There was an article on the 10th about windfall for the McCann's appearing on her show, so I went back to find a quote I remembered about $$'s and her show:
"Sky News, 28th January 2008
<snippet>
A spokeswoman for Harpo Productions, which produces the Oprah Winfrey show in the US, said: "While we've been in contact with the McCann family representatives, we are in no way involved in a bidding war.
"The Oprah Winfrey Show does not pay for news interviews."
http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Sky-Ne ... 2851302507"
I doubt it is true they would get paid one red cent for doing her show, as why would they make one exception to their rule?
Like I told our dear Colomom earlier, it reeks of SPIN, and it immediately brought this song to mind:
'You Spin Me Round'
Dead or Alive
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMwdAc1Dzfg
I'd love to hear the truth from Oprah and then have SKY News do a correction in their paper!
xox
Texana
Overreaching
All good questions. Celebrities fly in and out of airports every day, all it would take for the McCanns to go unnoticed is to take separate seats with one child each, wear baseball caps and sunglasses, and they'd look like any other family.
I wanted to comment,too, on how thin Kate looks, and Gerry has obviously lost weight as well.
Interesting note about Canada needing cardiac doctors...I wouldn't be surprised at all if they left Great Britain now.
Creepy Cat was never seen again after supposedly the "cadaver odor." I guess once that was pointed out, Madeleine's favorite toy lost all its appeal.
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Publicity! ANd quite probably, good positive sympathetic publicity! I believe it is true that Oprah dosn't pay for ones to come on the show, although she provides lodging and transportation. I have nothing to back that up, just memories on reading some time in the past how more respectable talk shows run.
From Pear on 3A's (http://www.the3arguidos.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=18177)
I came across this post in the blog of the ASFICPJ, the union of the PJ:
http://asficpj.blogspot.com/2008/07/conversa-entre-polcias.html
Glorified google translation
Thursday, July 3, 2008
CONVERSATION AMONG POLICEMEN
When, in late 1983 (some 25 years ago) I and some colleagues, completed the training course in the School, we were placed in Training Group, then SCITE / CICD, at the end of the street Conde de Redondo , We found there a group of police investigators whose characteristics, individual and in group, and the way they worked, led us (at least most of us) to want to be there placed permanently .
Indeed, the motivation and dedication to service, the enthusiasm and joy with which they played their roles, the competence and professionalism that they demonstrated were for us, new trainees of the School of Barro, the assurance that the occupation we were beginning would translate in an activity full of achievement and a great career and a bright future.
Many of those colleagues of ours were about our age, little older than us, from the course that immediately preceded ours and thus with their training recently completed .
Among them was the Gonçalo Amaral. Perhaps with more hair than now, and possibly a little less heavy. For the rest, he was the same. Already at that time he surprised us with his commitment to the profession, which showed the competence, the assurance with which he worked, the courage with which he would go anywhere and face all sorts of situations and opponents. Similarly, it was striking the good grace with which he faced setbacks and adversities of the function, and the tolerance with which he accepted the jokes, sometimes irreverent, of some colleague (and I can say it, because my conscience accuses me of having been the one, quite a few times).
Later Gonçalo would work in Faro and in Ponta Delgada. Always with the personal availability and professional capability that are his characteristics. And in all the many aspects that are today's work of an investigator of the Judiciary Police. Investigating murders or gathering information on organized criminal networks. Analyzing documentation on complex financial movements or capturing dangerous individuals. Without evading difficulties nor losing courage when facing setbacks. Being frontal and going to fight. Always.
Again in Lisbon and in the fight to drug trafficking, Gonçalo was indicated, even as an agent, to head a Investigation Brigade in the DCITE. Those that were then in that department, will recall that the results achieved by the Brigade, under the charismatic leadership of Gonçalo Amaral, soon exceeded the average statistics. The figures obtained by him and his men, either on the numbers of arrests, either on the amount of narcotic or goods and assets seized, or even on the convictions achieved in Court marked a time in the DCITE and set an example.
I know. I remember well. It was there.
He accumulated the leadership of the Brigade with the condition of university student. And his characteristic style of leadership, taking consistent and full responsibility, ever present and available, did not prevent him to obtain a law license, in the shortest possible time allowed. Despite his previous training in Engineering.
We found ourselves in the course of promotion to Subinspector. Again Gonçalo demonstrated his remarkable work capacity because he did this course, intensive and demanding, in combination with the leadership of the Brigade of Investigation. Patent was, also, once again, his significant ability to study and he concluded the course in the first place among 99 colleagues.
Later, as a logical and natural sequence of his professional career and his life, he would compete for Coordinator of Criminal Investigation and, as expected, be promoted to that category shortly afterwards.
Then...
Well, about a year ago, we watched, amazed, a kind of show hitherto unheard among us. As in the autosdafe of the past, some media (mainly British, but unfortunately not only) "destroyed" in public a man of the Portuguese Judiciary Police. A top cadre of the career of Criminal Investigation. Our colleague, and friend of many of us. A mµcharacter assassination like no other employee of this house had been victim before. Why?
Because, as has always been his hallmark, Dr. Goncalo Amaral, Coordinator of Criminal Investigation of the Judiciary Police, went to fight, committed himself, faced, with courage and decision, the difficulties and setbacks of an extremely complex case whose and contours are still, and perhaps forever, undefined .
Perhaps for the first time in the history of Judiciary Police, an investigator is exposed in the public square and its privacy assaulted. Only because he was investigating a suspected case. Because he was working. Perhaps the Portuguese state, the government, our Judiciary Police should have mechanisms to protect their representatives in situations like this. To protect them in the exercise of their professional activity in the Public Service. Perhaps all of us, his co-workers, should have taken it up to us, and doing justice to the famous, traditional and so bandied about "Esprit de Corps" that they say is characteristic of our "House", we ought to have, in some way, expressed our support to Dr . Gonçalo Amaral.
Nothing of this has happened. Gonçalo was left alone.
If this strategy catches in the future, facing powerful and well connected defendants, may be other investigators will be object of this ordeal. It could be any of us. And that could be, somehow, the end of the criminal investigation. At least the way we envision it and develop it.
May this case serve as a subject of reflection. And as an example. And may it help us create ways to avoid a repetition. The very ASFICPJ should, perhaps, analyze, seriously, conscientiously and thoroughly, in a serene and constructive way, this whole situation. It is also their obligation.
Gonçalo, my friend, I regret sincerely your exit of the Judiciary Police, which seems to me too early because I admit that you could give more to the cause of the Society, Justice and Public Service. Our "House", moreover, does not have many resources, in quality and quantity, to afford to not put them to profit or, even worse, to leave them to waste.
It remains for me, faced with the facts, to thank you for your friendship and wish you all the best and every success in the new stage of life thatn you decided to start.
Lisbon, 03 July 2008,
Joao Fernandes Figueira
Member of A.S.F.I.C. / P.J. No. 711
Published by ASFIC at 09:36
8 comments:
Anonymous said ...
After all there are still some guys with balls ...
Yes sir.
July 3, 2008 9:45
Anonymous said ...
Esteemed comrade
I fully subscribe...
We are not so many that we can afford to waste resources.
July 3, 2008 19:18
Anonymous said ...
Get used to it
July 3, 2008 22:42
Anonymous said ...
Give him the war cross [the victoria cross] and, why not, a little car to help him and a petrol card. Such a good man, that even payed to work
July 3, 2008 22:43
Anonymous said ...
I wish him good fortune and succes in his "new" life, outside of this institution that he served for so many years ... Hoping to have the opportunity to meet him again one day
Thanks Joao Fernandes Figueira for the tribute to my colleague and friend Gonçalo Amaral.
G.B.
July 4, 2008 11:11 a.m.
Anonymous said ...
I agree, approve and praise GA, that was always a Policeman with "P". Now, that part of the "esprit de corps," I vaguely remember that twenty years ago, when I entered the "house", I think it still existed ...
July 4, 2008 17:37
Anonymous said ...
Comrades
After seeing the interview and analyse it, synthetise it and correlate it, subjective and objective factors suggest that...… all of us, yes all of us, deserve more than what what was given to Gonçalo. I know that when my time will come, I will not get even a pat on the shoulder, but I do not expect anything else. Ungrateful HOUSE that treats us this way...
July 4, 2008 22:09
Anonymous said ...
ladies and gentlemen
let me advise you. Don't do things waiting for someone to thank you, do them only for the enjoyment they give you. If recognition is won, fine, otherwise the enjoyment is already sufficient
July 4, 2008 22:50
I came across this post in the blog of the ASFICPJ, the union of the PJ:
http://asficpj.blogspot.com/2008/07/conversa-entre-polcias.html
Glorified google translation
Thursday, July 3, 2008
CONVERSATION AMONG POLICEMEN
When, in late 1983 (some 25 years ago) I and some colleagues, completed the training course in the School, we were placed in Training Group, then SCITE / CICD, at the end of the street Conde de Redondo , We found there a group of police investigators whose characteristics, individual and in group, and the way they worked, led us (at least most of us) to want to be there placed permanently .
Indeed, the motivation and dedication to service, the enthusiasm and joy with which they played their roles, the competence and professionalism that they demonstrated were for us, new trainees of the School of Barro, the assurance that the occupation we were beginning would translate in an activity full of achievement and a great career and a bright future.
Many of those colleagues of ours were about our age, little older than us, from the course that immediately preceded ours and thus with their training recently completed .
Among them was the Gonçalo Amaral. Perhaps with more hair than now, and possibly a little less heavy. For the rest, he was the same. Already at that time he surprised us with his commitment to the profession, which showed the competence, the assurance with which he worked, the courage with which he would go anywhere and face all sorts of situations and opponents. Similarly, it was striking the good grace with which he faced setbacks and adversities of the function, and the tolerance with which he accepted the jokes, sometimes irreverent, of some colleague (and I can say it, because my conscience accuses me of having been the one, quite a few times).
Later Gonçalo would work in Faro and in Ponta Delgada. Always with the personal availability and professional capability that are his characteristics. And in all the many aspects that are today's work of an investigator of the Judiciary Police. Investigating murders or gathering information on organized criminal networks. Analyzing documentation on complex financial movements or capturing dangerous individuals. Without evading difficulties nor losing courage when facing setbacks. Being frontal and going to fight. Always.
Again in Lisbon and in the fight to drug trafficking, Gonçalo was indicated, even as an agent, to head a Investigation Brigade in the DCITE. Those that were then in that department, will recall that the results achieved by the Brigade, under the charismatic leadership of Gonçalo Amaral, soon exceeded the average statistics. The figures obtained by him and his men, either on the numbers of arrests, either on the amount of narcotic or goods and assets seized, or even on the convictions achieved in Court marked a time in the DCITE and set an example.
I know. I remember well. It was there.
He accumulated the leadership of the Brigade with the condition of university student. And his characteristic style of leadership, taking consistent and full responsibility, ever present and available, did not prevent him to obtain a law license, in the shortest possible time allowed. Despite his previous training in Engineering.
We found ourselves in the course of promotion to Subinspector. Again Gonçalo demonstrated his remarkable work capacity because he did this course, intensive and demanding, in combination with the leadership of the Brigade of Investigation. Patent was, also, once again, his significant ability to study and he concluded the course in the first place among 99 colleagues.
Later, as a logical and natural sequence of his professional career and his life, he would compete for Coordinator of Criminal Investigation and, as expected, be promoted to that category shortly afterwards.
Then...
Well, about a year ago, we watched, amazed, a kind of show hitherto unheard among us. As in the autosdafe of the past, some media (mainly British, but unfortunately not only) "destroyed" in public a man of the Portuguese Judiciary Police. A top cadre of the career of Criminal Investigation. Our colleague, and friend of many of us. A mµcharacter assassination like no other employee of this house had been victim before. Why?
Because, as has always been his hallmark, Dr. Goncalo Amaral, Coordinator of Criminal Investigation of the Judiciary Police, went to fight, committed himself, faced, with courage and decision, the difficulties and setbacks of an extremely complex case whose and contours are still, and perhaps forever, undefined .
Perhaps for the first time in the history of Judiciary Police, an investigator is exposed in the public square and its privacy assaulted. Only because he was investigating a suspected case. Because he was working. Perhaps the Portuguese state, the government, our Judiciary Police should have mechanisms to protect their representatives in situations like this. To protect them in the exercise of their professional activity in the Public Service. Perhaps all of us, his co-workers, should have taken it up to us, and doing justice to the famous, traditional and so bandied about "Esprit de Corps" that they say is characteristic of our "House", we ought to have, in some way, expressed our support to Dr . Gonçalo Amaral.
Nothing of this has happened. Gonçalo was left alone.
If this strategy catches in the future, facing powerful and well connected defendants, may be other investigators will be object of this ordeal. It could be any of us. And that could be, somehow, the end of the criminal investigation. At least the way we envision it and develop it.
May this case serve as a subject of reflection. And as an example. And may it help us create ways to avoid a repetition. The very ASFICPJ should, perhaps, analyze, seriously, conscientiously and thoroughly, in a serene and constructive way, this whole situation. It is also their obligation.
Gonçalo, my friend, I regret sincerely your exit of the Judiciary Police, which seems to me too early because I admit that you could give more to the cause of the Society, Justice and Public Service. Our "House", moreover, does not have many resources, in quality and quantity, to afford to not put them to profit or, even worse, to leave them to waste.
It remains for me, faced with the facts, to thank you for your friendship and wish you all the best and every success in the new stage of life thatn you decided to start.
Lisbon, 03 July 2008,
Joao Fernandes Figueira
Member of A.S.F.I.C. / P.J. No. 711
Published by ASFIC at 09:36
8 comments:
Anonymous said ...
After all there are still some guys with balls ...
Yes sir.
July 3, 2008 9:45
Anonymous said ...
Esteemed comrade
I fully subscribe...
We are not so many that we can afford to waste resources.
July 3, 2008 19:18
Anonymous said ...
Get used to it
July 3, 2008 22:42
Anonymous said ...
Give him the war cross [the victoria cross] and, why not, a little car to help him and a petrol card. Such a good man, that even payed to work
July 3, 2008 22:43
Anonymous said ...
I wish him good fortune and succes in his "new" life, outside of this institution that he served for so many years ... Hoping to have the opportunity to meet him again one day
Thanks Joao Fernandes Figueira for the tribute to my colleague and friend Gonçalo Amaral.
G.B.
July 4, 2008 11:11 a.m.
Anonymous said ...
I agree, approve and praise GA, that was always a Policeman with "P". Now, that part of the "esprit de corps," I vaguely remember that twenty years ago, when I entered the "house", I think it still existed ...
July 4, 2008 17:37
Anonymous said ...
Comrades
After seeing the interview and analyse it, synthetise it and correlate it, subjective and objective factors suggest that...… all of us, yes all of us, deserve more than what what was given to Gonçalo. I know that when my time will come, I will not get even a pat on the shoulder, but I do not expect anything else. Ungrateful HOUSE that treats us this way...
July 4, 2008 22:09
Anonymous said ...
ladies and gentlemen
let me advise you. Don't do things waiting for someone to thank you, do them only for the enjoyment they give you. If recognition is won, fine, otherwise the enjoyment is already sufficient
July 4, 2008 22:50
Remember the Rita Cosby/Anna Nicole-Smith debacle? They may not pay for guests but it seems to be a common practice that they can get around that in other ways. My question would be "Why did you leave the twins in the same apartment Madeliene was supposedly "abducted" from to go and alert Gerry? You had a cell phone right? There was a phone in the room right?
april4sky
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A small price for the press to pay for irresponsible behaviour
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/jul/15/law.pressandpublishing
Robert Murat's libel settlement is hardly a surprise. Newspapers did overstep the mark in their reporting and, given the award to the McCanns in March, the outcome was entirely predictable.
The reason for the capitulation of 11 newspapers before the case reached court are very clear.
The facts of the matter are unarguable. Murat was libelled. Not once, but many times over. Scores of reports, and many headlines too, defamed him. Like Kate and Gerry McCann, he was often treated not as a suspect by papers but as a culprit.
Many of the stories, culled from anonymous sources (and, quite possibly, no sources at all) were utterly irresponsible and, most certainly, unprovable.
Papers were also competing against 24-hour news on TV and radio. Therefore they felt under pressure to get new angles on a story which has only ever had a couple of facts: a child vanished; the police named one man as a suspect on the thinnest of evidence; the police later named the McCanns as suspects.
Everything else was speculation.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/jul/15/law.pressandpublishing
Robert Murat's libel settlement is hardly a surprise. Newspapers did overstep the mark in their reporting and, given the award to the McCanns in March, the outcome was entirely predictable.
The reason for the capitulation of 11 newspapers before the case reached court are very clear.
The facts of the matter are unarguable. Murat was libelled. Not once, but many times over. Scores of reports, and many headlines too, defamed him. Like Kate and Gerry McCann, he was often treated not as a suspect by papers but as a culprit.
Many of the stories, culled from anonymous sources (and, quite possibly, no sources at all) were utterly irresponsible and, most certainly, unprovable.
Papers were also competing against 24-hour news on TV and radio. Therefore they felt under pressure to get new angles on a story which has only ever had a couple of facts: a child vanished; the police named one man as a suspect on the thinnest of evidence; the police later named the McCanns as suspects.
Everything else was speculation.
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The successful libel claim by Robert Murat makes this some kind of record, surely - $1 million for the McCanns in libel damages, and now a further $1.1 million for Robert Murat.
A total of $2.1 million paid out to the only three suspects in the probable accidental or negligently-caused death of Madeleine McCann.
There's surely never been anything quite like it.
But Robert Murat being in the news reminds us of one of the most significant comments made in the case.
Just after Robert Murat was first identified by the British press as a possible suspect, Gerry McCann was asked on camera if he knew Murat.
Clerlay irritated by the question, Gerry turned away from his questioner and answered:
"I'm not going to comment on that".
Which tells us all that he did know Murat - but is embarrassed about the connection
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A total of $2.1 million paid out to the only three suspects in the probable accidental or negligently-caused death of Madeleine McCann.
There's surely never been anything quite like it.
But Robert Murat being in the news reminds us of one of the most significant comments made in the case.
Just after Robert Murat was first identified by the British press as a possible suspect, Gerry McCann was asked on camera if he knew Murat.
Clerlay irritated by the question, Gerry turned away from his questioner and answered:
"I'm not going to comment on that".
Which tells us all that he did know Murat - but is embarrassed about the connection
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april4sky
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It tells us these are two very big assumptions.:waitasec: IMO
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Absolutely Tony, if he did not know him why not just say NO!
Texana
Overreaching
I don't understand the irritation, I can understand the "no comment" but the question is a reasonable one.
Robert Murat's statement after court
http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/vi...British+Newspapers+Over+Madeleine+McCann+Case
BBC interview
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/7511919.stm
http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/vi...British+Newspapers+Over+Madeleine+McCann+Case
BBC interview
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/7511919.stm
Luanne
That's me in the corner
Canada, and my province of B.C. is definitely in need of doctors. Many doctors here aren't accepting new patients, hence many people do not have doctors.....but back to the original subject, I haven't read the whole thread, were they in Canada recently checking things out? It would be interesting to have them here. My hometown has one of the top cardiac care hospitals in the country. And it's called Royal Jubilee Hospital, wouldn't that be the obvious choice for them? ;o)
http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2008/07/english-ignored-complaint-for.html
English Ignored Complaint for Paedophilia Against One of the McCanns Friends
Statements: Doctors Friends of the McCanns talked with the British Police
David Payne, one of the friends of the McCann who were vacationing in the Algarve on the 3rd of May last year, when Madeleine disappeared, was suspected for paedophile behaviour.
English Ignored Complaint for Paedophilia Against One of the McCanns Friends
Statements: Doctors Friends of the McCanns talked with the British Police
David Payne, one of the friends of the McCann who were vacationing in the Algarve on the 3rd of May last year, when Madeleine disappeared, was suspected for paedophile behaviour.
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OMG! I heard this before but never said anything publicly in case it was wrong! I didn't think it was Payne though. That article insinuates that Gerry was also involved. I feel sick to my stomach but not at all surprised! B******s!!!
Depositions Doctor friends of the McCanns spoke to the English police
Payne suspected of paedophilia
Twelve days after Maddie disappeared, a couple revealed the strange behaviour of one of the groups members. Testimonies only reached the Judiciária in January this year
David Payne, one of the McCanns friends that were on holidays in the Algarve on the 3rd of May last year, when Madeleine disappeared, was suspected of paedophile behaviours.
The accusations were brought by a couple of friends that spent their holidays with part of the group in the summer of 2005 themselves also English doctors. Twelve days after the British girl disappeared, Katherina and Arul could no longer keep the secret that had bothered them for two years and went to the police to make a statement. They revealed two conversations between Dave and Gerry, during which both revealed suspicious behaviour and indiciated sex with minors.
According to what CM was able to establish, the depositions were given on the 16th of May. But they only entered the process in January 2008 and are included in the 13th volume of the process files. At that point in time, Kate and Gerry were already arguidos, the rogatory letters had already been issued and the English, including Dave, showed their reluctance in returning to Portugal.
Touching the nipple
Katherina made a statement that was eight pages long. She reported holidays in Mallorca with several English [people], including the McCanns and the Paynes. Two incidents left her with serious doubts about the friends behaviour and lead her to create suspicions that were never confirmed.
The first one happened on a night when Gerry and Dave were talking about Maddie. Katherina does not know what they were saying but she remembers that Dave sucked on his fingers, pushing them into the mouth and pulling them out again, while his other hand traced a circle around the nipple, with a circular movement over the clothes. That was done in a provocative manner, recalls Katherina, who says that it stuck to her memory.
Days later, the scene repeated itself. The doctor saw Dave making the same gestures again, while he talked about his own daughter. Scared, Katherina said nothing about the incident. But she took special caution, asking her husband never to let the doctor come close to the bathroom when her daughter was having a bath.
Arul went to the police to tell the same story. Katherinas companion confirmed the gestures that were made by Dave during the conversation with Gerry but asserted that he wasnt aware that they were talking about Maddie. He did find the behaviour in extremely bad taste, but didnt see it being repeated.
The incident ended up forgotten in his memory and it was only the disappearance of Madeleine, who had also been with them on the Mallorca vacation, that revived it.
During the deposition, Katherina went even further and said she had associated the gestures to someone who likes to watch child
. I remember thinking whether he looked at the girls in a different manner, she concluded.
Friends from school days
Arul and Kate were friends from their school days. They have known each other for approximately 20 years and that was the motive that led the couple to accompany the McCanns on their holidays to Mallorca. Arul and Katherina did not know Fiona and Dave and they only met again once, during a dinner that gathered several couples. When Maddie disappeared from the Ocean Club, Katherina remembered the incident in Mallorca. And she immediately tried to verify whether Dave had again been accompanying the McCann couple, as the suspicions about his behaviour still stood. In the deposition that was made to the English police, Katherina says she decided to give a statement when she saw the tv images. Dave was among the same holiday group.
Doubts in the case
Irishman not heard An Irishman who was spending holidays in Praia da Luz also went to the English police to report that on the night of the 3rd of May he saw Gerry carrying Madeleine towards the beach. He was never heard through a rogatory letter.
Sending delayed The difference between the date when the deposition was obtained and the time when it was sent is not explained in the process.CM knows that the English authorities did not provide an explanation, either.
Bank account info The PJ tried to know the bank account situation of every element of the group, in order to search for possible motives for the crime. But the English answers were laconic and did not help the investigation.
Life stories The life stories of Gerry and Kate McCann remain unknown. The PJ tried to verify whether Maddies mother suffered from depression but never received her clinical records, because the judge did not allow it.
source: Correio da Manhã 19.07.2008, paper edition
Copied from: http://www.helpmadeleine.proboards79.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=1204&page=13 #180
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OMG....
Payne suspected of paedophilia
Twelve days after Maddie disappeared, a couple revealed the strange behaviour of one of the groups members. Testimonies only reached the Judiciária in January this year
David Payne, one of the McCanns friends that were on holidays in the Algarve on the 3rd of May last year, when Madeleine disappeared, was suspected of paedophile behaviours.
The accusations were brought by a couple of friends that spent their holidays with part of the group in the summer of 2005 themselves also English doctors. Twelve days after the British girl disappeared, Katherina and Arul could no longer keep the secret that had bothered them for two years and went to the police to make a statement. They revealed two conversations between Dave and Gerry, during which both revealed suspicious behaviour and indiciated sex with minors.
According to what CM was able to establish, the depositions were given on the 16th of May. But they only entered the process in January 2008 and are included in the 13th volume of the process files. At that point in time, Kate and Gerry were already arguidos, the rogatory letters had already been issued and the English, including Dave, showed their reluctance in returning to Portugal.
Touching the nipple
Katherina made a statement that was eight pages long. She reported holidays in Mallorca with several English [people], including the McCanns and the Paynes. Two incidents left her with serious doubts about the friends behaviour and lead her to create suspicions that were never confirmed.
The first one happened on a night when Gerry and Dave were talking about Maddie. Katherina does not know what they were saying but she remembers that Dave sucked on his fingers, pushing them into the mouth and pulling them out again, while his other hand traced a circle around the nipple, with a circular movement over the clothes. That was done in a provocative manner, recalls Katherina, who says that it stuck to her memory.
Days later, the scene repeated itself. The doctor saw Dave making the same gestures again, while he talked about his own daughter. Scared, Katherina said nothing about the incident. But she took special caution, asking her husband never to let the doctor come close to the bathroom when her daughter was having a bath.
Arul went to the police to tell the same story. Katherinas companion confirmed the gestures that were made by Dave during the conversation with Gerry but asserted that he wasnt aware that they were talking about Maddie. He did find the behaviour in extremely bad taste, but didnt see it being repeated.
The incident ended up forgotten in his memory and it was only the disappearance of Madeleine, who had also been with them on the Mallorca vacation, that revived it.
During the deposition, Katherina went even further and said she had associated the gestures to someone who likes to watch child
. I remember thinking whether he looked at the girls in a different manner, she concluded.Friends from school days
Arul and Kate were friends from their school days. They have known each other for approximately 20 years and that was the motive that led the couple to accompany the McCanns on their holidays to Mallorca. Arul and Katherina did not know Fiona and Dave and they only met again once, during a dinner that gathered several couples. When Maddie disappeared from the Ocean Club, Katherina remembered the incident in Mallorca. And she immediately tried to verify whether Dave had again been accompanying the McCann couple, as the suspicions about his behaviour still stood. In the deposition that was made to the English police, Katherina says she decided to give a statement when she saw the tv images. Dave was among the same holiday group.
Doubts in the case
Irishman not heard An Irishman who was spending holidays in Praia da Luz also went to the English police to report that on the night of the 3rd of May he saw Gerry carrying Madeleine towards the beach. He was never heard through a rogatory letter.
Sending delayed The difference between the date when the deposition was obtained and the time when it was sent is not explained in the process.CM knows that the English authorities did not provide an explanation, either.
Bank account info The PJ tried to know the bank account situation of every element of the group, in order to search for possible motives for the crime. But the English answers were laconic and did not help the investigation.
Life stories The life stories of Gerry and Kate McCann remain unknown. The PJ tried to verify whether Maddies mother suffered from depression but never received her clinical records, because the judge did not allow it.
source: Correio da Manhã 19.07.2008, paper edition
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Suspicions – Dave’s involvement is considered again
Parents refused technical help
Works with endangered children and approached the McCanns in the Algarve. Found the behaviour strange
Yvone, who earned credentials from the English government to work in situations that involve endangered children, was in the Algarve when Maddie disappeared but the McCanns refused her help. The specialist told the PJ, during two depositions that were made one month apart from each other, that she approached the couple after the first few hours and that the behaviour from both left her with suspicions about their involvement in the disappearance.
The behaviour of David Payne, who was accused by a couple of doctors that spent holidays with him in 2005, of having attitudes that indiciated paedophile practices, also left Yvone intrigued. The McCanns’ friend had called them aside and advised them not to speak to the technician.
Yvone found another detail strange. David’s face was not unfamiliar to her, and the technician believes he might have been inquired before, within some case of sexual abuse. She tried to remember when but failed to locate moment and the circumstances under which she had met him.
The days went by and Yvone continued to think about the issue. She then sent a letter to the English police, where she pointed out the details that she had perceived. Namely, that the bedroom window had not been forced open, that it was not normal for a couple of doctors to leave their children alone and that Kate had reacted in an aggressive manner when she had approached her. She also alerted to the official statistics, that point towards the majority of these cases to involve a cover-up from the families.
source: Correio da Manhã 19.07.2008, paper edition
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Parents refused technical help
Works with endangered children and approached the McCanns in the Algarve. Found the behaviour strange
Yvone, who earned credentials from the English government to work in situations that involve endangered children, was in the Algarve when Maddie disappeared but the McCanns refused her help. The specialist told the PJ, during two depositions that were made one month apart from each other, that she approached the couple after the first few hours and that the behaviour from both left her with suspicions about their involvement in the disappearance.
The behaviour of David Payne, who was accused by a couple of doctors that spent holidays with him in 2005, of having attitudes that indiciated paedophile practices, also left Yvone intrigued. The McCanns’ friend had called them aside and advised them not to speak to the technician.
Yvone found another detail strange. David’s face was not unfamiliar to her, and the technician believes he might have been inquired before, within some case of sexual abuse. She tried to remember when but failed to locate moment and the circumstances under which she had met him.
The days went by and Yvone continued to think about the issue. She then sent a letter to the English police, where she pointed out the details that she had perceived. Namely, that the bedroom window had not been forced open, that it was not normal for a couple of doctors to leave their children alone and that Kate had reacted in an aggressive manner when she had approached her. She also alerted to the official statistics, that point towards the majority of these cases to involve a cover-up from the families.
source: Correio da Manhã 19.07.2008, paper edition
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