Madeleine McCann General Discussion Thread No. 23

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  • #301
The article also says this Yvone person contacted the British LE to see if Payne was a registered sex offender, but got no reply.

Does England have a public website like we have for Megan's Law? Anyone know how to look sex offenders up over there? I found a site once from Interpol I thought and looked at all the sex offenders there, but couldn't come up with anything. I certainly did not see anything about Payne, but there were only about 6 offenders listed for all of Europe. I think I came to the conclusion that it was not an official website and then gave up.

Salem
 
  • #302
Thinking more about this --- I think it is really ballsy that English LE went to Portugal and asked that some information not be released. After the beating PLE has taken over this, why in heaven's name, would they want to suppress anything that shows they were on the right track?

How dumb is the "big guy" in England that doesn't want things revealed?

I think we the public have waited long enough to hear the truth. AND now that secrecy has been lifted, it will be interesting to see what spin the McCanns put on things. They can no longer hide behind the secrecy veil when they are asked the tough questions!

Salem

PS - no word back from the Oprah crew. I'll try to remember to send another email on Monday. I'm thinking Oprah is waiting also for the big "solution."
 
  • #303
http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2008/07/english-ignored-complaint-for.html

English Ignored Complaint for Paedophilia Against One of the McCanns Friends
Statements: Doctors Friends of the McCanns talked with the British Police

David Payne, one of the friends of the McCann who were vacationing in the Algarve on the 3rd of May last year, when Madeleine disappeared, was suspected for paedophile behaviour.

I literally feel sick to my stomach.

This would certianly explain the McCanns obsession with paedophiles, and their lack of concern to WHAT they might be doing to their daughter...(as they jet set across the country and visit the Pope).


:puke:
 
  • #304
I literally feel sick to my stomach.

This would certianly explain the McCanns obsession with paedophiles, and their lack of concern to WHAT they might be doing to their daughter...(as they jet set across the country and visit the Pope).


:puke:

Those people are hypocrisy personified!

& to think that we all thought that the Paynes were the decent ones who had perhaps broken ranks & told the truth! They are all in it up to their necks!
 
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OMG Indeed!!!!

Same ole, same ole. Nothing but rumours and smears!! So no surprise there then.

In fact nothing more than a look into a normal day in the life of a hate site. IMO.

I couldn't access the hate site and the smears and rumors, it was password protected. How did you do it?
 
  • #307
I couldn't access the hate site and the smears and rumors, it was password protected. How did you do it?
I didn't. And wouldn't.
Unfortunately their rumours and smears get repeated here.
 
  • #308
Does England have a sex offender register that can be viewed by the public?

Thanks in advance,

Salem
 
  • #309
FBI Agent Analyzes McCann Case

http://abcnews.go.com/2020/Story?id=4766445&page=1

Video interview....

"20/20" co-anchor Elizabeth Vargas recently spoke with former FBI Special Agent and profiler Brad Garrett, an ABC News consultant, who discussed the details surrounding the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

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This is an American profiler with the skills to make a fair and balanced judgement on Madeleines case. IMO
 
  • #310
Does England have a sex offender register that can be viewed by the public?

Thanks in advance,

Salem


No we dont unfortunately.
 
  • #311
Does England have a sex offender register that can be viewed by the public?

Thanks in advance,

Salem

It's about time we did, Salem! Something has to be done to stop these vile monsters but then the Uk govt. gives top drawer protection to suspected murderers and maybe even paedophiles so what do they care?

Ashamed to be British right now!
 
  • #312
OMG Indeed!!!!

Same ole, same ole. Nothing but rumours and smears!! So no surprise there then.

In fact nothing more than a look into a normal day in the life of a hate site. IMO.

What hate site are you talking about?

Also, just out of curiosity, with all the HUGE payouts from the media to the McCanns, and then Murat for libel charges, why do you think the Correio da Manhã editors and staff would jeopardise everything to print rumors and smears? For fun? Can't be for money, for if this is untrue, not only according to Portuguese law will they spend several years in prison for liable, they will also lose everything they own.

You really think people are that hell bent on smearing the McCanns and friends? Innocent, loving, grief sticken parents who made an itsy bitsy tiny little mistake by not checking their children often enough. :waitasec: Of course you do.
 
  • #313
What hate site are you talking about?

Also, just out of curiosity, with all the HUGE payouts from the media to the McCanns, and then Murat for libel charges, why do you think the Correio da Manhã editors and staff would jeopardise everything to print rumors and smears? For fun? Can't be for money, for if this is untrue, not only according to Portuguese law will they spend several years in prison for liable, they will also lose everything they own.

You really think people are that hell bent on smearing the McCanns and friends? Innocent, loving, grief sticken parents who made an itsy bitsy tiny little mistake by not checking their children often enough. :waitasec: Of course you do.
It was very clear what hate site I was talking about.:)
And I have answered your questions before IW. :waitasec: You chose not to answer mine however.
 
  • #314
It was very clear what hate site I was talking about.:)
And I have answered your questions before IW. :waitasec: You chose not to answer mine however.

I'm sorry April, but I don't know what questions you keep talking about. I have reread your posts (every single post available on WS, and I must say I am shocked) and don't see where I have ignored anything you have said. Also, maybe it's my age, or my thickness, but I don't have any idea what hate site you are talking about? I don't know of any forum that isn't slanted to disapproval of the McCanns. A pro-McCann forum would be very boring and quite. I can see it now. The OP write: "The McCanns are wonderful parents" and then 50 pages of posts that say "I agree", "good post",and "spot on"...LOL
 
  • #315
FBI Agent Analyzes McCann Case

http://abcnews.go.com/2020/Story?id=4766445&page=1

Video interview....

"20/20" co-anchor Elizabeth Vargas recently spoke with former FBI Special Agent and profiler Brad Garrett, an ABC News consultant, who discussed the details surrounding the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

******
This is an American profiler with the skills to make a fair and balanced judgement on Madeleines case. IMO

Thanks for that link! I enjoyed seeing the video. It was very fair and objective and looked at all possibilities.
 
  • #316
I'm sorry April, but I don't know what questions you keep talking about. I have reread your posts (every single post available on WS, and I must say I am shocked) and don't see where I have ignored anything you have said.
Post 110. I might believe them thread regarding my question.

Post 72. Why did Madeleine go missing thread. I believe there was a promise here regarding a question. :waitasec:
 
  • #317
Thanks for that link! I enjoyed seeing the video. It was very fair and objective and looked at all possibilities.
Your very welcome Claycat. :blowkiss:
 
  • #318
Traces – Finding the trail of a death changed the direction of the investigation

English defended the use of the dogs

An exhaustive report explains the possible scenarios to hide a body and defends the animals’ reliability

Mark Harrison, the English police who was designated to help the Polícia Judiciária in the search for Madeleine McCann, wrote a report last summer, in which he defended the usage of the dogs that are experts in the detection of cadaver odours and blood traces. The discovery of the residues and the signaling of the trail of a cadaver thus ended up formally changing the direction of an investigation that had been limited to the theory of abduction until then.

The report, which praises the Portuguese authorities’ work, suggested that the animals should be taken to all the locations where the body might have been hidden. From the apartment that had been rented by the McCanns up to the crèche, through the beach and the church area.

Mark Harrison explained that it was necessary to analyse the scenarios of Madeleine having been killed that night and her body abandoned by a person on foot or by car. The expert added that despite of the high costs of that search, it should be carried out in order to clarify the case.

Dogs are reliable

In the report, Mark Harrison says that it us very unlikely that the body was buried in the sand. The English policeman defends that a launch into the sea is the most likely scenario, while the body should also be searched for within an area of cliffs and dense bushes that lies east of Praia da Luz.

The two English dogs were presented as an indispensable help to the investigation, after their abilities and the manner in which they are trained were explained in detail, as well as the fact that they both react to blood traces and cadaver odours, without a single episode of “false positives” in the investigations.

In his report, Mark Harrison listed cases of success that offered a guarantee of reliability. And he asserted that if the dogs came to signal Maddie’s death, then it would be a fact.

Details

High costs - Mark Harrison stressed the high costs of the dogs. Their daily rate amounted to one thousand euros; the cost of the trip for them and their handlers was of 2750. There was also the cost of the passport for the animals (450 euros), adding to the lodging, the food and the transportation of the vehicles that were necessary for the animals.

False positives – Eddie, the dog that specialized in cadaver odour detection, has never given a false alert. He has participated in approximately 200 searches in homicide scenarios in Great Britain and never signaled any products that derived from meat or any other food item.

Human blood – Keela was trained exclusively with human blood; blood that is subject to strict testing and which comes from hospitals. She locates contaminated guns, smells vehicles and clothing items, and accurately detects residues, even if the locations are subject to cleaning.

……………….

Kate refused to answer the PJ

Kate refused to answer tens of questions from the Polícia Judiciária. After the first day of questioning, when she appeared in the company of her lawyer but was heard as a witness, Kate changed her stance. Being made an arguida and the fact that the authorities assumed that they admitted her involvement in the disappearance of her daughter Madeleine, led her to adopt a different attitude.

She refused to reply, for example, why she left the twins behind in the bedroom in order to call her husband and friends at the restaurant, after finding out that Maddie had disappeared.

She also failed to explain why she had not searched for her daughter in the first moments, sitting on the bed almost without moving, and she offered no explanation for the fact that the preliminary test results from the English lab detected traces in the car boot and behind the sofa, traces whose DNA resembled Maddie’s.

Other details from her personal and professional life remained unanswered. Kate refused, for example, to explain whether or not it was true that before the holidays she had admitted she had a bad premonition. Whether or not she had ever complained that the twins were very restless or had ever admitted to deliver the guard of Maddie to a relative.

Kate also remained expressionless when she was confronted with the possibility that she had quit working because she could not handle the pressure of raising he three small children.

She did not explain how the cadaver odour was found on her clothes and on the soft toy that was normally used by Maddie, or why the dogs marked the death inside the apartment.

Kate also chose not to clarify who had called Sky News, nor did she reveal whom she had called in the moments that immediately followed the disappearance.

In her deposition, Kate was also confronted with the fact that her refusal to make a statement might hinder the discovery of her daughter’s whereabouts. Nevertheless, she kept her silence.

Mother’s DNA on the window

The window had been forced open and the abductor had taken the child through it. That was the first possibility that was advanced by Kate to the authorities that collected residues on location. But the tests that were done at the IML [Portuguese forensics institute] ended up isolating just one DNA which did not belong to the child but rather to Kate. To the PJ, it is also practically impossible for anyone to carry the child out of that window, which does not even open completely.

Gerry accepted to speak to the police

On the day that he was made an arguido, Gerry accepted to answer all of the Judiciária’s questions.

Doubts about surveillance on the children

The PJ found contradictions in the friends’ testimonies concerning the manner in which the children were watched over.

Denied the use of sedatives on the children

Kate and Gerry have always denied to the PJ that they medicated the children or used any sedative to make them sleep. Maddie’s parents thus stated that their children went to bed early simply because they were used to that, and it was not even usual for them to wake in the middle of the night. CM knows that months after Maddie disappeared, Kate suggested to the Judiciária that the twins should be tested in order to find out whether they had been sedated that night. Something that the investigators found strange, given the fact that being doctors, they both knew that any residue would have disappeared by then. This was considered to be another indicator that Kate and Gerry were not telling the whole truth about what happened on the 3rd of May, hiding what had happened to the child.

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Notes

Recorded | PJ taped action – The dogs’ search was recorded by the Polícia Judiciária. The handler also wrote an extensive report that translated the signs that had been detected by the animals during their search for traces.

TIR | English address – Kate stated her identity and her residence and gave her English address. Therefore, the return home was not considered to be an escape from justice.

Return | Postponed promise – When they returned home, the McCanns promised to return if it was necessary to make a statement. The reconstitution was requested, but the friends boycotted it.

source: Correio da Manhã 20.07.2008, paper edition
 
  • #319
Those people are hypocrisy personified!

& to think that we all thought that the Paynes were the decent ones who had perhaps broken ranks & told the truth! They are all in it up to their necks!

They probably are decent. Has no one thought this is just like the Murat smears. What better way to control someone who has information that might incriminate you than to have your friends go to the police and suggest they might be a paedophile. Then if they do tell what they know you can leak slanderous information to discredit them.
 
  • #320
They probably are decent. Has no one thought this is just like the Murat smears. What better way to control someone who has information that might incriminate you than to have your friends go to the police and suggest they might be a paedophile. Then if they do tell what they know you can leak slanderous information to discredit them.

Wow!! Now that is an angle I did not consider.

Thanks for posting Wm...
 
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