Madeleine McCann General Discussion Thread No. 23

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  • #381
Wow after reading some responses I can only say WOW.

You know guys, I understand we all think differently. Some of us think the Mc Canns are guilty others feel they're innocent but for the life of me I cannot COMPREHEND how those who support the Mc Canns are okay about this case being "closed"! :eek: WHAT ABOUT MADELEINE? :furious: or is it that for them it was never about her! :furious:

For me, even if the Mc Canns were found guilty and sent to jail I won't stop thinking and trying to figure out where is our sweet little Madeleine!

The Madeleine Mc Cann thread in this forum should be OPEN MORE THAN EVER with full discussion! Those who feel we shouldn't discuss the case anymore ARE JUST DREAMERS!

We will talk about her until we found out exactly what happened with Madeleine and nobody will try to stop us from doing this!

Just my two cents!

Amen!
 
  • #382
Wow after reading some responses I can only say WOW.

You know guys, I understand we all think differently. Some of us think the Mc Canns are guilty others feel they're innocent but for the life of me I cannot COMPREHEND how those who support the Mc Canns are okay about this case being "closed"! :eek: WHAT ABOUT MADELEINE? :furious: or is it that for them it was never about her! :furious:
Yes SleuthMom it should be about Madeleine shouldn't it? :furious: But sadly it still isn't is it? For some it's still about attacking her parents...even though we now know there is no evidence....and thankfully no evidence that Madeleine is dead.:clap::clap::clap:

And I think you have things twisted.
What is impossible to comprehend is that some of those who think :rolleyes: the McCanns are guilty are clearly not concerned that this witch hunt..."there is no evidence that Madeleine is dead" has all but destroyed the search for her.

The McCanns have been cleared....no matter how some like to twist this..and yes the case shelved.
But the search will go on by people who care!! :clap::clap:
 
  • #383
No evidence she is dead?

Cadaver dogs hitting on the spot where the blood odor dogs hit as well--and DNA traces of Madeleine as well.

Cadaver dogs hitting on the car trunk and keys, Kate's clothes, the toy.

That is not "no evidence" that is simply evidence April, you choose to not accept.
 
  • #384
No evidence she is dead?

Cadaver dogs hitting on the spot where the blood odor dogs hit as well--and DNA traces of Madeleine as well.

Cadaver dogs hitting on the car trunk and keys, Kate's clothes, the toy.

That is not "no evidence" that is simply evidence April, you choose to not accept.
Yes No evidence Texana.
Check out the results of the DNA tests. They couldn't even confirm that it was blood in the car.:waitasec:
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-st...cts-on-flimsiest-of-evidence-115875-20662935/

The report by the Policia Judiciaria - Portugal's CID - claimed a cadaver dog detected a "scent of death" in the family's apartment, on clothes belonging to Kate and Madeleine, on her Cuddle Cat toy and on the key fob of the Renault Scenic rented 24 days after she vanished.
Preliminary tests on DNA from the hire car suggested a possible match with Madeleine, but final results could not match to a particular person - or even establish whether it was blood or another type of body fluid.
But the report says it was for these reasons Portuguese cops felt that there was the "slightest chance of their involvement with a possible corpse".

And recently the PJ still included abduction amongst their theories...now there's a clue!!
 
  • #385
We clearly did not read the same report.

A cadaver dog AND a blood odor dog make repeated hits in an apartment where a child has gone missing. They make hits on the parent's clothing, the car key, and the car trunk as well.

This is not disputed by the British police or the dog handlers,.

The Portuguese police did not "claim" the dogs made repeated hits. The dogs did.
 
  • #386
http://www.buzzle.com/articles/210755.html

On Monday, Mr and Mrs McCann were formally cleared of any involvement in Madeleine's disappearance, after the Portuguese attorney general, having reviewed the entire police investigation, ruled that there was no evidence to suggest that they, or Robert Murat, the local businessman also named a suspect, had committed any crime.

It should provide some small measure of justice and relief to what any fair-minded person must now conclude are a grotesquely maligned couple.

The investigators, in truth, were at fault from the very beginning. Journalists, police officers and other experts who witnessed the early stages of the investigation were struck by how out of their depth the police seemed. Their failure to secure the crime scene, close the borders, take early witness statements and conform to other basic investigative good practice has been well reported. The most senior police officer, Goncalo Amaral, was abruptly removed from the case and demoted over his handling of it, while his office spent last summer leaking extremely prejudicial material about the McCanns to local media. (Amaral is currently facing perjury charges, which he denies, in relation to another missing child case, which might cast doubt on the credibility of his own tell-all book
But there is no question that Kate and Gerry McCann were horribly failed by the investigation into Madeleine's disappearance.

A few voices in Portugal are now willing to acknowledge as much. "Since the earliest days," Miguel Sousa Tavares wrote in the daily Expresso this week.
"I had the impression that the PJ did not have the slightest thought-through strategy ....the PJ didn't know what to do. Their old, lazy methods hadn't worked and it didn't know any other ones."

But as the McCanns' own investigators begin trawling through the police files - and who can now criticize them for appointing their own detectives? - in an attempt to rekindle long cold leads, it is not only the Portuguese police who should feel chastened this week.

Several newspapers and broadcasters simply suspended their own sense of natural justice and any legal caution to publish whatever they liked - much of it unsourced and the worst of it entirely libellous. (The McCanns won £550,000 in a libel settlement from one newspaper group but could have pursued many others if they had been so minded.)

And so, for the record, this is where we stand on the supposed evidence against Kate and Gerry McCann. There was never any DNA "proof" that Madeleine's body had been in the couple's hire car - forensics experts have always argued for caution in interpreting sniffer dogs' reactions.
An American court case ruled this kind of evidence inadmissable last year after finding that three supposedly "specialist" dogs were incorrect between 62% and 78% of the time.

Whatever became of the presumption of innocence?
****
Excellent article. :clap::clap:
 
  • #387
We clearly did not read the same report.

A cadaver dog AND a blood odor dog make repeated hits in an apartment where a child has gone missing. They make hits on the parent's clothing, the car key, and the car trunk as well.

This is not disputed by the British police or the dog handlers,.

The Portuguese police did not "claim" the dogs made repeated hits. The dogs did.
Clearly!!
Why do you suppose abduction is still included as one of the PJ's theories?
 
  • #388
Ah but remember daffodil claims that sarcasm is the highest form of intelligence???? yet he/she cannot see what is right under her nose in this case - blood, cadaver odour in the apartment where it has been established that noone ever died before!
Strange that, a child has gone whoosh clunk into thin air well over a year ago & highly trained dogs with proven record just happen to alert to this apartment & other personal items of the child's parents!
Ah but sure it's all leaks & smears isn't it, a huge conspiracy to implicate two innocent doctors from Uk who were exemplary parents ( all good parents leave kids alone to cry in the dark while they get p****d) I just wonder how they got the dogs to cooperate in this little scam? Extra doggie bikkies if you lie this time Eddie & Keela! ROFL!

& to Daffodil, yes I am on the floor again laughing & this post is full of sarcasm! Proving that you are right on one point, I am highly intelligent, way too intelligent not to see through the web of deceit that the McCanns have spun in the past year+!


Wow you rate yourself pretty high,higher than the PJ who have found NO EVIDENCE against the McCanns :eek:.I bow to your superiority :rolleyes: I almost joined you on the floor laughing :laugh:
 
  • #389
We clearly did not read the same report.

A cadaver dog AND a blood odor dog make repeated hits in an apartment where a child has gone missing. They make hits on the parent's clothing, the car key, and the car trunk as well.

This is not disputed by the British police or the dog handlers,.

The Portuguese police did not "claim" the dogs made repeated hits. The dogs did.


Yet still not enough to charge the parents.
 
  • #390
:clap:
http://www.buzzle.com/articles/210755.html

On Monday, Mr and Mrs McCann were formally cleared of any involvement in Madeleine's disappearance, after the Portuguese attorney general, having reviewed the entire police investigation, ruled that there was no evidence to suggest that they, or Robert Murat, the local businessman also named a suspect, had committed any crime.

It should provide some small measure of justice and relief to what any fair-minded person must now conclude are a grotesquely maligned couple.

The investigators, in truth, were at fault from the very beginning. Journalists, police officers and other experts who witnessed the early stages of the investigation were struck by how out of their depth the police seemed. Their failure to secure the crime scene, close the borders, take early witness statements and conform to other basic investigative good practice has been well reported. The most senior police officer, Goncalo Amaral, was abruptly removed from the case and demoted over his handling of it, while his office spent last summer leaking extremely prejudicial material about the McCanns to local media. (Amaral is currently facing perjury charges, which he denies, in relation to another missing child case, which might cast doubt on the credibility of his own tell-all book
But there is no question that Kate and Gerry McCann were horribly failed by the investigation into Madeleine's disappearance.

A few voices in Portugal are now willing to acknowledge as much. "Since the earliest days," Miguel Sousa Tavares wrote in the daily Expresso this week.
"I had the impression that the PJ did not have the slightest thought-through strategy ....the PJ didn't know what to do. Their old, lazy methods hadn't worked and it didn't know any other ones."

But as the McCanns' own investigators begin trawling through the police files - and who can now criticize them for appointing their own detectives? - in an attempt to rekindle long cold leads, it is not only the Portuguese police who should feel chastened this week.

Several newspapers and broadcasters simply suspended their own sense of natural justice and any legal caution to publish whatever they liked - much of it unsourced and the worst of it entirely libellous. (The McCanns won £550,000 in a libel settlement from one newspaper group but could have pursued many others if they had been so minded.)

And so, for the record, this is where we stand on the supposed evidence against Kate and Gerry McCann. There was never any DNA "proof" that Madeleine's body had been in the couple's hire car - forensics experts have always argued for caution in interpreting sniffer dogs' reactions.
An American court case ruled this kind of evidence inadmissable last year after finding that three supposedly "specialist" dogs were incorrect between 62% and 78% of the time.

Whatever became of the presumption of innocence?
****
Excellent article. :clap::clap:


I agree :clap:
 
  • #391
Yes SleuthMom it should be about Madeleine shouldn't it? :furious: But sadly it still isn't is it? For some it's still about attacking her parents...even though we now know there is no evidence....and thankfully no evidence that Madeleine is dead.:clap::clap::clap:

And I think you have things twisted.
What is impossible to comprehend is that some of those who think :rolleyes: the McCanns are guilty are clearly not concerned that this witch hunt..."there is no evidence that Madeleine is dead" has all but destroyed the search for her.

The McCanns have been cleared....no matter how some like to twist this..and yes the case shelved.
But the search will go on by people who care!! :clap::clap:


Good post April-it should be about Madeliene :clap:
 
  • #392
Yet still not enough to charge the parents.

How could they?

All the defense for the McCanns would have to point out is that the McCanns left Maddie alone. Other people had access to the car and the apartment.

Don't you find it curious that the dogs hit on the exact spot where if Madeleine, left alone, climbed on the sofa and fell, she would have lain?

And on the toy she might have been clutching as well?
 
  • #393
How could they?

All the defense for the McCanns would have to point out is that the McCanns left Maddie alone. Other people had access to the car and the apartment.

Don't you find it curious that the dogs hit on the exact spot where if Madeleine, left alone, climbed on the sofa and fell, she would have lain?

And on the toy she might have been clutching as well?
Curious that you don't accept that there is NO DNA match to a dead Madeleine. :rolleyes: Curious too why you wouldn't be pleased about this. :waitasec:
 
  • #394
Yes SleuthMom it should be about Madeleine shouldn't it? :furious: But sadly it still isn't is it? For some it's still about attacking her parents...even though we now know there is no evidence....and thankfully no evidence that Madeleine is dead.:clap::clap::clap:

And I think you have things twisted.
What is impossible to comprehend is that some of those who think :rolleyes: the McCanns are guilty are clearly not concerned that this witch hunt..."there is no evidence that Madeleine is dead" has all but destroyed the search for her.

The McCanns have been cleared....no matter how some like to twist this..and yes the case shelved.
But the search will go on by people who care!! :clap::clap:

I really wish you would stop referring to the McCanns as witches.
 
  • #395
Hey guys, I can see what is happening here and please don;t take the bate. Make use of the ignore button. Trish, (Site owner) and the moderators have had some tough times lately and they will not be dealing with a lot of bickering. I believe the the rudeness and resent onslaught of a select few is an attempt to get the thread locked. I've seen it happen before. Ignore.
 
  • #396
Hey guys, I can see what is happening here and please don;t take the bate. Make use of the ignore button. Trish, (Site owner) and the moderators have had some tough times lately and they will not be dealing with a lot of bickering. I believe the the rudeness and resent onslaught of a select few is an attempt to get the thread locked. I've seen it happen before. Ignore.

I admit that I have dropped my normally constrained attitude the last couple of days and I hope I have not offended anybody. I guess that after all this time trying to be exceedingly patient, and after the latest blow to the search for justice for Maddie, I found myself discouraged and disillusioned.

I promise to stop the sarcasm war and re-focus myself. In order to achieve this goal I will take a break for awhile. I will continue to bring over the Portuguese Press and I will be available to communicate via PM.

I only want to find out what happened to our girl. Collateral damage does not matter to me. I will never give up on Maddie....never.

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  • #398
Police boss in Madeleine McCann case makes outlandish claims in book

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-st...es-outlandish-claims-in-book-115875-20668829/

The ex-police boss who led the Madeleine hunt is cashing in on the McCanns' heartache in a series of outlandish claims in his book.

"He is entirely at odds with his own Attorney General who said there is absolutely no proof any criminal offence was committed by Kate or Gerry.

Goncalo Amaral was sacked from the case.

He faces a perjury trial over claims he helped cover up alleged torture of a mum whose daughter vanished near where Madeleine disappeared.
*****
And this is the guy who was leading the investigation. :furious:
 
  • #399
I haven't had a chance to catch up with everything here but I just read over the Portugese news thread that Kate's brother Alexander was in Portugal with the McCann's. Was this before Maddie disappeared or did he come after to help the family? I just wondered why he wasn't considered part of the Tappas 9. Wow about David Payne and Jerry. That could explain alot.
 
  • #400
I haven't had a chance to catch up with everything here but I just read over the Portugese news thread that Kate's brother Alexander was in Portugal with the McCann's. Was this before Maddie disappeared or did he come after to help the family? I just wondered why he wasn't considered part of the Tappas 9. Wow about David Payne and Jerry. That could explain alot.
This is a new one.:waitasec:
I believe Kate is an only child.
 
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