Madeleine McCann General Discussion Thread No. 24

[Texana]

My sister was almost killed by her husband on numerous occasions, but it wasn't until he almost killed one of their children did she ever come clean and have him arrested...then divorced. Before that, they seemed the perfect family with the nice big house, nice cars, expensive vacations and every excuse imaginable for any bruises, or cancellations for visits. In my sisters case, she was in denial. She was addicted to her lifestyle, and took her beatings in exchange for shopping sprees at Saks Fifth Avenue & Tivol. The only difference between her and Kate that I can see is she loved her kids more than her husbands lifestyle.

ETA: I don't know if Gerry ever beat Kate, probably not. My point is, my sister had everyone believing they had a perfect life and never fought...but they did...and it was serious. She wanted the perfect life and pretended to have it.

That had to be terribly heartbreaking!

I agree, there had to be some reason Kate felt she had to keep it secret that they rowed--either consciously, or unconsciously.

 

[AussieSim]

Maybe Kate kept any row they had on holiday a secret because there were so many fingers already pointing at them, they didn't want to encourage false ideas that they had something to do with Madeleine's disappearance because they wanted the focus to be on their kidnapped daughter and not them. Or maybe some tiff just didn't seem important when their four year old had been kidnapped. Hmmmm...

I work with detection dogs, and not only are they sometimes wrong, they are often wrong, especially when you are using them to detect in a way that they haven't been trained for, like the police in Portugal did.

This bank sighting looks like it may really be Madeleine. I really hope that this little girl will eventually be found and returned to her family

 

[Salem]

Respectfully snipped~

I work with detection dogs, and not only are they sometimes wrong, they are often wrong, especially when you are using them to detect in a way that they haven't been trained for, like the police in Portugal did.

Can you explain further please? How did the PJ use the dogs incorrectly?

Thank you,

Salem

 

[april4sky]

April, you still haven't said what you think about the REAL sketch and its resemblance to the Mc Canns. Thanks.

You didn't see the real scetches SleuthMom.

It appears they had been doctored for effect too. :waitasec:
Not just in the removal of the moustache but the shading on both.
On the altered one the male has magically changed from having a Latin appearence to a Western one.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/lates...is-dutch-couple-snatch-maddy-115875-20688569/

Smears are never far away...are they? Especially at the 3 arguidos!!

IMO the scetches don't resemble the McCanns unless you either want them too....or unless you allow yourself to be tricked. IMO.

And as there is no question of the scetches being the McCanns I don't see the point....apart from the obvious...As I said before it takes a mindless moron to get a kick out of making up cruel sick jokes from other peoples tragedies. IMO

 

[gord]

First, the post was not directed to you and I would appreciate it if you would let April answer for herself.
Funny that you should assume to know what April is thinking....:waitasec:

The original posts read:

April, what are your thoughts (if you don't mind sharing them) with regards to the sketch of the couple that were with the little girl in the Dutch shop and its incredible resemblance to the Mc Canns.

(no reference to the "photoshop morphing")

To which April replied:

My thoughts SleuthMom
I thought they were a cruel and sick joke...just like the hate site they came from....the 3 arguidos....

What was "particularly low" gord? I really thought April failed to investigate fully and really believed that the "drawing" was a hoax.

I spend very little time on 3A's (only 31 posts) and usually only go there when the Proboards79 site tells me to check something out. Why in the world would you want to know what my screen name is over there?

Give me a good reason and I might tell you....

Your post seems threatening.

For goodness sake dont be so dramatic . I wasnt threatening you - I post there occasionaly and was just interested - but no biggie

I wasnt answering for April - I was just entering into the open discussion - which I though was the whole point of public forums

If you didnt want anyone else to contribute to this private question then why didnt you send a PM ?

 

[Tony Bennett]

april4sky [Post 276] asked: "Did they row?"

REPLY: A very good question. In Dr Kate McCann's carefully-crafted statement, probably made in order to explain why there was another slept-in bed in the children's room, she leaves it open as to whether they had a row - or even whether Gerry knew there was a disagreement between them. She went to her separate bed only after he fell asleep. Hmmm.

The problem for McCann-sceptics like me is that we just don't believe a single word that emerges from the pair's lips.

Whereas, by contrast, april4sky, you seem to believe everything they say

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[Barnaby]

april4sky [Post 276] asked: "Did they row?"

REPLY: A very good question. In Dr Kate McCann's carefully-crafted statement, probably made in order to explain why there was another slept-in bed in the children's room, she leaves it open as to whether they had a row - or even whether Gerry knew there was a disagreement between them. She went to her separate bed only after he fell asleep. Hmmm.

The problem for McCann-sceptics like me is that we just don't believe a single word that emerges from the pair's lips.

Whereas, by contrast, april4sky, you seem to believe everything they say

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The fact that Kate only left their bed after he went to sleep struck me also Tony, seems a bit pointless to make a point when Gerry was asleep!

 

[april4sky]

april4sky [Post 276] asked: "Did they row?"

REPLY: A very good question. In Dr Kate McCann's carefully-crafted statement, probably made in order to explain why there was another slept-in bed in the children's room, she leaves it open as to whether they had a row - or even whether Gerry knew there was a disagreement between them. She went to her separate bed only after he fell asleep. Hmmm.

Hmmm indeed!! :waitasec: Your opinion!!

The problem for McCann-sceptics like me is that we just don't believe a single word that emerges from the pair's lips.

You really didn't need to tell me that.

Whereas, by contrast, april4sky, you seem to believe everything they say

Your right!! I do believe they told the truth about what happened that night.
And the conclusion of the Final report was right also. IMO

 

[Barnaby]

My sister was almost killed by her husband on numerous occasions, but it wasn't until he almost killed one of their children did she ever come clean and have him arrested...then divorced. Before that, they seemed the perfect family with the nice big house, nice cars, expensive vacations and every excuse imaginable for any bruises, or cancellations for visits. In my sisters case, she was in denial. She was addicted to her lifestyle, and took her beatings in exchange for shopping sprees at Saks Fifth Avenue & Tivol. The only difference between her and Kate that I can see is she loved her kids more than her husbands lifestyle.

ETA: I don't know if Gerry ever beat Kate, probably not. My point is, my sister had everyone believing they had a perfect life and never fought...but they did...and it was serious. She wanted the perfect life and pretended to have it.

How dreadful for your sister IW, glad she finally got away from him & is well!

 

[SleuthMom]

You didn't see the real scetches SleuthMom.

It appears they had been doctored for effect too. :waitasec:
Not just in the removal of the moustache but the shading on both.
On the altered one the male has magically changed from having a Latin appearence to a Western one.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/lates...is-dutch-couple-snatch-maddy-115875-20688569/

Smears are never far away...are they? Especially at the 3 arguidos!!

IMO the scetches don't resemble the McCanns unless you either want them too....or unless you allow yourself to be tricked. IMO.

And as there is no question of the scetches being the McCanns I don't see the point....apart from the obvious...As I said before it takes a mindless moron to get a kick out of making up cruel sick jokes from other peoples tragedies. IMO

You're right. Someone did change their appearance. They removed the mustache and make their skin appear "lighter".

 

[april4sky]

quote=AussieSim;2483035]Maybe Kate kept any row they had on holiday a secret because there were so many fingers already pointing at them, they didn't want to encourage false ideas that they had something to do with Madeleine's disappearance because they wanted the focus to be on their kidnapped daughter and not them. Or maybe some tiff just didn't seem important when their four year old had been kidnapped. Hmmmm...

G'Day AussieSim. :hand:

While Kate was an arguido she wasn’t allowed to talk about her statement but it’s clear she told the PJ up front that she had slept in the childrens room…and why!!!

And it can't have been much of a row...as it's difficult to have a "row" when only one of you is aware there is a problem. :waitasec:

Some women expect the man in there lives to know when they are upset without spelling it out.:waitasec:

And some men need it spelling out lol.

And then there are others who have blazing rows…..

 

[ThoughtFox]

Maybe Kate kept any row they had on holiday a secret because there were so many fingers already pointing at them, they didn't want to encourage false ideas that they had something to do with Madeleine's disappearance because they wanted the focus to be on their kidnapped daughter and not them. Or maybe some tiff just didn't seem important when their four year old had been kidnapped. Hmmmm...

I work with detection dogs, and not only are they sometimes wrong, they are often wrong, especially when you are using them to detect in a way that they haven't been trained for, like the police in Portugal did.

I'm surprised you continue to work with dogs that are often wrong! That doesn't sound too helpful at all.

I don't understand how the dogs in this case were used in the wrong way, though. Could you please explain that further?

This bank sighting looks like it may really be Madeleine.

I wouldn't bet on that bank sighting. It wouldn't be the first time that someone saw a "dark-skinned" woman and a blonde child and got suspicious. It's happened several times before if you look back through the picture thread.

It's actually embarassing that people are so quick to point the finger at anyone with dark skin, and say they are a member of a child ring. If that woman was in a bank, then surely someone remembers her and they can find the transaction she did there. Like the other times before, this is probably nothing.

 

[iNTERESTEDWOMAN]

Hmmm indeed!! :waitasec: Your opinion!!
You really didn't need to tell me that.
Your right!! I do believe they told the truth about what happened that night.
And the conclusion of the Final report was right also. IMO

WOW! This statement is very, very creepy. Reminds me of the the "Far Side". Anyone who beleives Jane Tanner has issues none of us will ever understand.

 

[Texana]

Kate didn't tell the police they never rowed, she told them that she slept in a separate room that night (I suspect the reason she left after Gerry fell asleep was he fell asleep while she was still talking or sulking and she got mad and got up. There is nothing more frustrating than wanting to talk and being upset and your partner drifting off peaceably to sleep!)

I don't think Kate realized at the time of the interviews that the police report would one day be made public.

I think it was more of a PR type move. Again, she wouldn't have had to give the details about the sleep/row incident, to just say that "Yes, we occasionally have differences but we work them out."

I think that would have made them see more sympathetic. It would seem more natural and real.

Personally when Kate said, "We don't row. We've NEVER rowed" I thought it definitely made her less sympathetic, when I heard it at the time.

Again, I think Kate is a high-acheiving individual who sets goals and accomplishes them. (Not a bad thing, either.) So having a great marriage and beautiful children and "never rowing" is very important to her.

I'm going to conclude the "never rowed" says more about Kate than anything else, and her perceptions of reality. It ties in with that insistence in the early days that the "thing that kept her going was the knowledge we were responsible parents."

Now obviously, we've all agreed that leaving the children alone repeatedly was irresponsible, whether legal or not, it was a common sense poor parenting decision and not one that can be defended. It is what it is.

But Kate not only can't admit that, she turns it into something to bolster herself with--"we were responsible parents."

Whether or not you believe in the abduction theory, Kate definitely has her own view of reality as most people see it.

 

[colomom]

Belgium Bank sighting....

Actual video here....

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/maddie/article1541035.ece

 

[iNTERESTEDWOMAN]

Belgium Bank sighting....

Actual video here....

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/maddie/article1541035.ece

Thanks Colomom. That child looks entirely too tall to be Madeleine. According to K&G, Madeleines height was extreamly short, (I think 43 CM is what they told police). This girl is at least 60 cm judging from the other land markers and the woman holding her hand.

 

[ThoughtFox]

That's really quite alot of video, Colomom! More than I thought they had!

Does that woman look pregnant to any of you? Because she looks that way to me. In that case, it might be alot easier to find out who she is if she's going to an obstetrician.

Seems to me that Interpol could take that video and do some close-ups quite easily.

 

[april4sky]

Originally Posted by april4sky
Hmmm indeed!! :waitasec: Your opinion!!
You really didn't need to tell me that.
Your right!! I do believe they told the truth about what happened that night.
And the conclusion of the Final report was right also. IMO

WOW! This statement is very, very creepy. Reminds me of the the "Far Side". Anyone who beleives Jane Tanner has issues none of us will ever understand.

Having fun IW?
Think playing around with somebody elses post clever? mmm Makes you feel good mmm.

Well I think it says a lot more than you intended. :waitasec:

 

[twinkiesmom]

I know they were suspected but were they ever made official suspects, and referred to as such, by LE?? The original question came up because of this question: "What police force in the world would then open up their investigation to their prime suspects?" I should not have used the word "considered", I should have said "named".

There is a difference between the Boulder PD looking sideways at the Ramseys and the PJ naming the McCanns arguidos.

You're pretty much ruling out U.S. in how you're defining suspect....We have "persons of interest" which might be suspects might be witnesses until someone gets arrested and indicted.

The scenario you suggest would have an outcome of noone being arrested/indicted.

I think JBR is analagous to the McCann situation...It was not just Boulder PD looking sideways at the Ramseys, but the governor of CO telling the public that it was an inside job! Meanwhile there was a completely incestuous relationship between the Ramsey attorneys and the district attorney's office....didn't the Ramsey attorneys get a copy of the ransom note?

 

[SleuthMom]

The little girl in the video is not Madeleine, IMO. All these sightings are causing a lot of trouble. Just recently a lawyer from Nicaragua (I think) got very upset after he alleged the police tried to "kidnap" his daughter because she looks like Madeleine! He was absolutely furious, demanded an apology from the British Embassy there and now he is suing!