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http://the3arguidos.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=21804
In this weeks tvmais (a Portuguese television magazine, similar to TV Times) is an article on an analysis of "Kate's Diary" by a Portuguese psychologist. The following is a (somewhat rushed) translation of the first part of the article. I will try and post the rest later (pretty busy today).
KATE’S DIARY
under the magnifying glass
Narcissistic, immature and predictable. As if she were writing to lead the reader on. This is the conclusion of an analysis of the writings know as “Kate’s Diary” by psychologist Quintino Aires.
“I need you to come back.” That is one of the sentences repeated most by Kate McCann in the journal she wrote that is commonly referred to in the media as “Kate’s Diary”. We showed the writings to Quintino Aires, chair professor of psychology. “She seems to be more concerned about herself than about poor Maddie”, he finds. Tvmais has established that Kate only began writing the journal almost two weeks after Madeleine McCann disappeared. But the “diary” looks as if it was begun before 3rd May 2007. One only has to look at the diverse appearance of the writings, with different colours of pen and writing styles, for example, to understand that it was written in different stages and in differing emotional states. Written and added to as she deemed convenient. “It’s the Kate McCann we already know”, explains Quintino Aires. “The narcissistic personality of this woman, which has already been alluded to several times, comes out very clearly in these writings. Her complaints about the negative effect the physical exertion is having on her body, which “annoys” her; how she feels very tired at the vigil on the 25 May, which she thinks is too long (contrary to what a mother suffering the loss of her daughter would feel, being buoyed up by the joint attention of others…
; the enthusiastic way she refers to the photo session or even the conference in the British Consulate, which, she highlights, ended in applause from the media. Kate’s venting about the difficulty she has in answering questions in moments that are less controlled and not predicted. In her writings one can very frequently identify traits of an immature and narcissistic personality, the psychologist explained to tvmais. Instead of “I need you to come back”, which Kate repeats so many times in her notes, Quintino Aires says that one would normally expect to find “how are you feeling?”. In other words: Kate is more concerned with herself than with her daughter.
http://the3arguidos.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=21804
In this weeks tvmais (a Portuguese television magazine, similar to TV Times) is an article on an analysis of "Kate's Diary" by a Portuguese psychologist. The following is a (somewhat rushed) translation of the first part of the article. I will try and post the rest later (pretty busy today).
KATE’S DIARY
under the magnifying glass
Narcissistic, immature and predictable. As if she were writing to lead the reader on. This is the conclusion of an analysis of the writings know as “Kate’s Diary” by psychologist Quintino Aires.
“I need you to come back.” That is one of the sentences repeated most by Kate McCann in the journal she wrote that is commonly referred to in the media as “Kate’s Diary”. We showed the writings to Quintino Aires, chair professor of psychology. “She seems to be more concerned about herself than about poor Maddie”, he finds. Tvmais has established that Kate only began writing the journal almost two weeks after Madeleine McCann disappeared. But the “diary” looks as if it was begun before 3rd May 2007. One only has to look at the diverse appearance of the writings, with different colours of pen and writing styles, for example, to understand that it was written in different stages and in differing emotional states. Written and added to as she deemed convenient. “It’s the Kate McCann we already know”, explains Quintino Aires. “The narcissistic personality of this woman, which has already been alluded to several times, comes out very clearly in these writings. Her complaints about the negative effect the physical exertion is having on her body, which “annoys” her; how she feels very tired at the vigil on the 25 May, which she thinks is too long (contrary to what a mother suffering the loss of her daughter would feel, being buoyed up by the joint attention of others…
; the enthusiastic way she refers to the photo session or even the conference in the British Consulate, which, she highlights, ended in applause from the media. Kate’s venting about the difficulty she has in answering questions in moments that are less controlled and not predicted. In her writings one can very frequently identify traits of an immature and narcissistic personality, the psychologist explained to tvmais. Instead of “I need you to come back”, which Kate repeats so many times in her notes, Quintino Aires says that one would normally expect to find “how are you feeling?”. In other words: Kate is more concerned with herself than with her daughter.Just an FYI friends....
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Hi Colomom, I have bolded the sentence I want to comment on. I hope you don't mind. I find that passage VERY interesting.
We discussed writing styles previously and it's fascinating that a professional psychologist points out this behavior as well. I'll look for some examples.Tony Bennett
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colomom mentioned Najoua Chekaya, the aerobics-instructress-
-quizmistress who was employed at the Tapas bar in Praia da Luz the week the McCanns and the 'Tapas 9' friends were there.
It may just be coincidence, but I've traced the addresses of Diana Webster and Najoua Chekaya - and they live just a few miles away from each other in Bedfordshire
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-quizmistress who was employed at the Tapas bar in Praia da Luz the week the McCanns and the 'Tapas 9' friends were there.It may just be coincidence, but I've traced the addresses of Diana Webster and Najoua Chekaya - and they live just a few miles away from each other in Bedfordshire
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colomom mentioned Najoua Chekaya, the aerobics-instructress-
It may just be coincidence, but I've traced the addresses of Diana Webster and Najoua Chekaya - and they live just a few miles away from each other in Bedfordshire
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Small world huh? What are the odds of that?
Hey Tony, in your quest for truth and extensive research of key players in the disappearance of Madeleine, have you researched any of their children? I have been looking, but to no avail, (because my UK resources are limited), if any child in this circle has received any transplant operations within the month of (Prior or after) the date Maddie went missing?
I have always felt that Madeleine's organs were sold on the black market.
Ooh, this post was almost too disturbing to contemplate, but I do have a comment re the other children, or rather about transplant patients.
The steroids (or whatever) they must take generally result in a moon-faced appearance. So in the unlikely event that you ever see any of the kids, that would be a giveaway.
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iW, can't help with your query, the main area of interest I had with the children was why both Jane Tanner and Kate McCann had to have their IVF treatment in Holland, not the U.K. - after all, we have very good IVF facilities here, I think.
I speculated as to whether either or both children had been the result of artificial insemination from a third party donor or even whether there had been an illegal adoption - that speculation was increased when Gerry McCann appeared to make Freudian slips like: "We're focussed now on our own children" and a reference to Madeleine being 'her' [Kate's] child in an interview with Spanish TV last autumn. The speculation was further fuelled by a most strange interview given by Kate on which she described here pregnancy with Madele in such a vague, distant and disconnected way that I really wondered if she ever was pregnant with Madeleine. Perhaps some of the ladies on here can recall or retrieve that interview and correct me if I'm wrong.
But there was no way I was going to get any answers on any of the above.
Reference your point about selling body organs, I will say - she won't mind me saying it - that I did meet up with Solicitor Susan Sutovic last year, the mother of Petar Sutovic, who died/was murdered in Serbia. I am not sure of the latest - she has a website, look up Petar Sutovic - but I think she had more or less established that some of Peter's organs had indeed been sold on the East European black market for organs.
My interest was in talking to her about inquests and corrupt pathologists in England. In three of the cases I have been very much involved in the last two years, the pathologist who carried out the all-crucial post-mortem was one Dr Michael Heath, the very pathologist called in to confirm (cough) that government scientist Dr David Kelly really did take his own life and was not murdered*. In each of the three cases I have been involved with, Dr Heath held there was some kind of accidental death when, in truth, there is far more evidence that each of the young male victims was murdered. Moreover, in each case, pathologists called in to give a second opinion said openly that Heath's post-mortems had been inadequately carried out and that his conclusions may be wrong.
* Dr Kelly was the man who effectively exposed the fact that our former Prime Minister, Tony Blair, was lying when he claimed that Iraq's Saddam Hussein had 'weapons of mass destruction' which could hit the U.K. in 45 minutes. Once, when making a speech about the Iraq war, which has been highly controversial over here with opinion about equally divided as to whether our invasion was justified or not, Blair referred to them as 'weapons of mass deception'**.
** He hurriedly corrected his 'mistake'
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I speculated as to whether either or both children had been the result of artificial insemination from a third party donor or even whether there had been an illegal adoption - that speculation was increased when Gerry McCann appeared to make Freudian slips like: "We're focussed now on our own children" and a reference to Madeleine being 'her' [Kate's] child in an interview with Spanish TV last autumn. The speculation was further fuelled by a most strange interview given by Kate on which she described here pregnancy with Madele in such a vague, distant and disconnected way that I really wondered if she ever was pregnant with Madeleine. Perhaps some of the ladies on here can recall or retrieve that interview and correct me if I'm wrong.
But there was no way I was going to get any answers on any of the above.
Reference your point about selling body organs, I will say - she won't mind me saying it - that I did meet up with Solicitor Susan Sutovic last year, the mother of Petar Sutovic, who died/was murdered in Serbia. I am not sure of the latest - she has a website, look up Petar Sutovic - but I think she had more or less established that some of Peter's organs had indeed been sold on the East European black market for organs.
My interest was in talking to her about inquests and corrupt pathologists in England. In three of the cases I have been very much involved in the last two years, the pathologist who carried out the all-crucial post-mortem was one Dr Michael Heath, the very pathologist called in to confirm (cough) that government scientist Dr David Kelly really did take his own life and was not murdered*. In each of the three cases I have been involved with, Dr Heath held there was some kind of accidental death when, in truth, there is far more evidence that each of the young male victims was murdered. Moreover, in each case, pathologists called in to give a second opinion said openly that Heath's post-mortems had been inadequately carried out and that his conclusions may be wrong.
* Dr Kelly was the man who effectively exposed the fact that our former Prime Minister, Tony Blair, was lying when he claimed that Iraq's Saddam Hussein had 'weapons of mass destruction' which could hit the U.K. in 45 minutes. Once, when making a speech about the Iraq war, which has been highly controversial over here with opinion about equally divided as to whether our invasion was justified or not, Blair referred to them as 'weapons of mass deception'**.
** He hurriedly corrected his 'mistake'
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Thank You Tony. Very interesting post.
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Interesting eh because we have discussed many times the OBVIOUS narcissistic behavior of the McCanns and here we have a psychologist agreeing. This part upsets me:
Too long??? WTH? We are speaking about her missing daughter for heaven's sake!
Too long??? WTH? We are speaking about her missing daughter for heaven's sake!
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Okay, let me try this again.
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http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2498179&postcount=401
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http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w204/iNTERESTEDWOMAN/imagedownload-1.jpg
Does anyone remember any pictures of Kate wearing the long orangish skirt? Seems I remember seeing one, but can't find it.
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http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2498179&postcount=401
by Colomom
The following is a cropped version of the picture of the clothes that had the cadaver odor. (I didn't realize there were so many of them...looks like a couple of bras included too.)
http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w204/iNTERESTEDWOMAN/imagedownload-1.jpg
Does anyone remember any pictures of Kate wearing the long orangish skirt? Seems I remember seeing one, but can't find it.
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I find it very interesting that Kate says repeatedly, "I need you to come back."
Not: You need to be here with us but rather what I need.
Not: You need to be here with us but rather what I need.
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I used to belong to a board called "For Madeleine"....I think our Scandi was one of the mods? Is that the same board you're talking about? I drifted away from there as they were not tolerating anything other than support for the parents.
Hi Colomom, I have bolded the sentence I want to comment on. I hope you don't mind. I find that passage VERY interesting.
Hi IW,
Just wanted to assure you that it is fine with me if you (or anybody) want to get creative with fonts, sizes or bolding of my posts to help emphasis your points.
I know the board you are referring to TM and I can assure you that the Proboards79 site (a.k.a. helpmadeleine.proboards79.com) is not the same board. The Help Madeleine board is a special place with a very civilized, peaceful and tolerant group, of which Scandi is a member but not a MOD. The Help Madeleine site is the source of the Portuguese Press translations and, IMO, they are some of Maddie's biggest heroes!!
Let me know, via PM, if you are interested.
...and why would a Jehovah's witness support medics?
Without Brian Kennedy, they'd have disappeared from view ages ago - he funds Clarence and the lawyers and even has his own lawyer on the board of the 'fund'!
Hiya Refugee,
I have been meaning to say "welcome aboard" and I am looking forward to your contributions.
My question to you regarding the above post....
Why wouldn't a Jehovah's Witness support a medic? Is that a reference to some kind of aversion to modern medicine (VS divine healing)??
Well, for example, there have been well publicised cases where they refused to allow their kids to have a blood transfusion - I dont know their beliefs, but know they dont agree with medical intervention - which makes the McCann support 'odd'.
Well, obviously if you wanted to 'leave no stone unturned' you'd be concerned at your own protection and refuse to answer questions which couldnt possibly incriminate you if they were true - 'if they were true'!
There whole demeanor has been one of self protection first, child second. I believe they have always put defending themselves against accusations of neglect before any search of an abductor - it indicates to me that there WAS no abductor and they know it. Otherwise they'd leave no stone unturned. Imagine their friends too, refusing to attend a reconstruction to protect their own interests rather than help their friends find their daughter. Doesn't add up.
Oythers have already put your thoughts regarding the timing of the call to the police to bed.
One other small point, if your child wasn't in the bed - and you KNEW that she'd been taken, why not think maybe the friend you know is tending her own child might have taken her - as she had been crying the night before - another inconsistency and odd behaviour!
Okay, let me try this again.
From:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2498179&postcount=401
by Colomom
The following is a cropped version of the picture of the clothes that had the cadaver odor. (I didn't realize there were so many of them...looks like a couple of bras included too.)
Does anyone remember any pictures of Kate wearing the long orangish skirt? Seems I remember seeing one, but can't find it.
Hi IW,
I read that a bit differently, it might be confusing due to translation. I think it is just referencing the fact that there were clothes collected, iykwim. I think the picture is of laundry hanging out to dry. I remember seeing that clothesline in a mini-documentary the McCanns did.
The translated version reads: Photo caption: Clothes collected in house Vista do Mar revealed cadaver odour
It does not read: These are the clothes collected in house Vista do Mar revealed cadaver odour
I checked with our lovely translators over on Proboards79 and they confirm the translation as:
Clothes collected from the Vista do Mar villa revealed cadaver odour
I think the clothes collected were a pair of Kate's pants (maybe 2 pair) one of her shirts and something that Maddie wore.
Hope that all makes sense.
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