Madeleine McCann General Discussion Thread No. 24

[SleuthMom]

...and why would a Jehovah's witness support medics?

Without Brian Kennedy, they'd have disappeared from view ages ago - he funds Clarence and the lawyers and even has his own lawyer on the board of the 'fund'!

I have friends who are Jehovah Witnesses, they DO allow medical intervention, it's just the odd blood transfusion issue the one that they don't allow. Not sure about in-vitro.

 

[april4sky]

Well, obviously if you wanted to 'leave no stone unturned' you'd be concerned at your own protection and refuse to answer questions which couldnt possibly incriminate you if they were true - 'if they were true'!

There whole demeanor has been one of self protection first, child second. I believe they have always put defending themselves against accusations of neglect before any search of an abductor - it indicates to me that there WAS no abductor and they know it. Otherwise they'd leave no stone unturned. Imagine their friends too, refusing to attend a reconstruction to protect their own interests rather than help their friends find their daughter. Doesn't add up.

Oythers have already put your thoughts regarding the timing of the call to the police to bed.

One other small point, if your child wasn't in the bed - and you KNEW that she'd been taken, why not think maybe the friend you know is tending her own child might have taken her - as she had been crying the night before - another inconsistency and odd behaviour!

Regarding the above highlight...I don't think so!!

And I don't buy your "beliefs" or what you choose to call inconsistancies. :waitasec:

We are all entitled to our own opinion.
And my opinion is that the conclusion of the Final Report is correct.

 

[SleuthMom]

I just read the article that Colomom posted here:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=53176&page=17

If this new team are as good as they claim to be, then they will trace Madeleine to Apartment 5A in Portugal, NO WHERE ELSE.

 

[Refugee]

Regarding the above highlight...I don't think so!!

And I don't buy your "beliefs" or what you choose to call inconsistancies. :waitasec:

We are all entitled to our own opinion.
And my opinion is that the conclusion of the Final Report is correct.

Beliefs? None of my 'beliefs' involve phantoms stealing children from their beds!

Why do you call them 'beliefs'? Kate McCann refuses to answer 48 questions -not my 'belief'. Is it unreasonable to expect a desperate mother to throw caution and self protection to the wind in every endeavour to recover her child? Hardly!

Give me one piece of evidence that Madeleine was abducted and one piece of evidence that her parents did not abandon her for periods of AT LEAST 15 minutes - prove to me that if they had met their duty of care then Madeleine would not be missing!

 

[Refugee]

Regarding the above highlight...I don't think so!!

And I don't buy your "beliefs" or what you choose to call inconsistancies. :waitasec:

We are all entitled to our own opinion.
And my opinion is that the conclusion of the Final Report is correct.

The report which says that there is not enough proof (but lists plenty of evidence!) to charge or to clear anyone? Yes I agree!

See we can come to an agreement - even if one of us looks objectively at the available information, whilst the other simply believes one thing - that the McCanns are 'innocent' (though no one can claim they are innocent of neglect, as they must have neglected their duty of care or the child wouldnt have 'disappeared'!)

 

[april4sky]

Beliefs? None of my 'beliefs' involve phantoms stealing children from their beds!

Why do you call them 'beliefs'? Kate McCann refuses to answer 48 questions -not my 'belief'. Is it unreasonable to expect a desperate mother to throw caution and self protection to the wind in every endeavour to recover her child? Hardly!

Give me one piece of evidence that Madeleine was abducted and one piece of evidence that her parents did not abandon her for periods of AT LEAST 15 minutes - prove to me that if they had met their duty of care then Madeleine would not be missing!

None of my beliefs involve phantoms either. The abductor is very real IMO

I'm well aware Kate refused to answer the questions...and why!!
And we have been back and forth here on this particular question, whether you think she was right or wrong depends what and who you believe. The McCanns or a corrupt PJ.

And if their children were "abandoned" as you put it the McCanns would have been charged... and they wern't..Check out the reasons given in the Final report.

 

[Refugee]

I have friends who are Jehovah Witnesses, they DO allow medical intervention, it's just the odd blood transfusion issue the one that they don't allow. Not sure about in-vitro.

Really? Well, they are still weird! Anyway, main point is, why does this man pay for their spokesman (why do they NEED a spokesman!) and lawyers etc?

Why cant they explain all the mysteries now their status is removed and their is no secrecy? Cant they explain all those little 'inconsistencies' (which, apparently are my 'beliefs') now?

 

[april4sky]

The report which says that there is not enough proof (but lists plenty of evidence!) to charge or to clear anyone? Yes I agree!

See we can come to an agreement - even if one of us looks objectively at the available information, whilst the other simply believes one thing - that the McCanns are 'innocent' (though no one can claim they are innocent of neglect, as they must have neglected their duty of care or the child wouldnt have 'disappeared'!)

And yes we can come to an agreement...So long as I am the objective one.

 

[Refugee]

None of my beliefs involve phantoms either. The abductor is very real IMO

I'm well aware Kate refused to answer the questions...and why!!
And we have been back and forth here on this particular question, whether you think she was right or wrong depends what and who you believe. The McCanns or a corrupt PJ.

And if their children were "abandoned" as you put it the McCanns would have been charged... and they wern't..Check out the reasons given in the Final report.

Why do you claim the PJ are corrupt! They didnt neglect the McCanns kids did they! Why are you having a go at the police! Are you saying they ought to have been babysitting! Surely you accept that Madeleine was too young to be left babysitting the twins?

The were abandoned, but they weren't charged - and we all know why that was dont we!

But I am intrigued, why would a mother 'desperate to do anything' to get her child back, to leave no stone unturned, refuse to do anything - even put her own freedom at risk?? Explain to me, as I am obviously a bit dull and dont follow your argument.

 

[Refugee]

And yes we can come to an agreement...So long as I am the objective one.

I would welcome you taking a more objective view!

So, lets park emotional responses and any preconceptions. I'll accept that an abductor might be possible, you admit that an abductor might not have been involved?

 

[iNTERESTEDWOMAN]

Hi IW,

Just wanted to assure you that it is fine with me if you (or anybody) want to get creative with fonts, sizes or bolding of my posts to help emphasis your points.

Thank you. I appreciate your flexibility :blowkiss:

Hi IW,

I read that a bit differently, it might be confusing due to translation. I think it is just referencing the fact that there were clothes collected, iykwim. I think the picture is of laundry hanging out to dry. I remember seeing that clothesline in a mini-documentary the McCanns did.

The translated version reads: Photo caption: Clothes collected in house Vista do Mar revealed cadaver odour

It does not read: These are the clothes collected in house Vista do Mar revealed cadaver odour

I checked with our lovely translators over on Proboards79 and they confirm the translation as:

Clothes collected from the Vista do Mar villa revealed cadaver odour

I think the clothes collected were a pair of Kate's pants (maybe 2 pair) one of her shirts and something that Maddie wore.

Hope that all makes sense.

:blowkiss:

OHHHH, okay. Gosh, I was really thinking I was onto something.

I am still hoping the new pictures taken by the tourist might show the McCanns and friends in different clothes than what they had on when they "reported" Maddie missing to the cops...

Jane Tanner says she was back into her room by the time Kate sounded the alarm, I often wonder if it was actually Kate and Jane who disposed of Madeleine's body...and everyone else (except Gerry) are in the dark.

 

[MoonFlwr]

Thank you. I appreciate your flexibility :blowkiss:


OHHHH, okay. Gosh, I was really thinking I was onto something.

I am still hoping the new pictures taken by the tourist might show the McCanns and friends in different clothes than what they had on when they "reported" Maddie missing to the cops...

Jane Tanner says she was back into her room by the time Kate sounded the alarm, I often wonder if it was actually Kate and Jane who disposed of Madeleine's body...and everyone else (except Gerry) are in the dark.

I have always had trouble with the theory that several people were involved in Maddie's 'death'. If 3 or more people 'knew' she was killed and her body disposed of, surely there is a high possibility of one of those people leaking/giving up information...either from stress or unwittingly...or....

 

[Barnaby]

Hi! I'm Refugee, previously known on Anorak as Ian and again on the 3 A's as Ian!

I got banned from Anorak for daring to call the Admin guy (one 'AGW') a bully (and also pointing out that the pro-McCanns on the site - who remain there still, were allowed total freedom of speech, whilst the likes of me who dared question the holy pair were silenced)

Then I got banned from the 3A's for pointing out that a certain millionaire 'businessman' was absolutely pivotal to the whole affair (as he pays, amongst many other things) for the spin doctor Clarence and the lawyers and also has his own lawyer on the board of the fund).

Anyway, maybe I'll last longer here?

Right, first post....

Inconsistency - Kate McCann told Woman's Hour and others that she couldnt tell us exactly how she was totally 100% certain the Madeleine was abducted, due to 'judicial secrecy'. She was later revealed as having refused to tell the PJ either!

Also, if she was so 100% sure, why didnt she immediately contact the police? Why werent they contacted until 40 minutes or so later?

Welcome Refugee

 

[Refugee]

Welcome Refugee

Hello there!

 

[Refugee]

I have always had trouble with the theory that several people were involved in Maddie's 'death'. If 3 or more people 'knew' she was killed and her body disposed of, surely there is a high possibility of one of those people leaking/giving up information...either from stress or unwittingly...or....

Depends on their involvement. I think over time the bonds will weaken...however, if they are involved in something unpleasant, I think they will stick together.

 

[Refugee]

Thank you. I appreciate your flexibility :blowkiss:


OHHHH, okay. Gosh, I was really thinking I was onto something.

I am still hoping the new pictures taken by the tourist might show the McCanns and friends in different clothes than what they had on when they "reported" Maddie missing to the cops...

Jane Tanner says she was back into her room by the time Kate sounded the alarm, I often wonder if it was actually Kate and Jane who disposed of Madeleine's body...and everyone else (except Gerry) are in the dark.

Imagine, you find your child missing, you know she cried the night before, you know your friend is in her room...wouldnt your first thought be that your child was with your friend?

 

[SleuthMom]

however, if they are involved in something unpleasant, I think they will stick together.

That's exactly what I think is going on here.I have the feeling Madeleine was the victim of sexual abuse.

 

[Barnaby]

Depends on their involvement. I think over time the bonds will weaken...however, if they are involved in something unpleasant, I think they will stick together.

I think that they were all involved in something very unpleasant indeed therefore the bonds will not weaken! These people are married together in their evilness!

 

[Texana]

I have always had trouble with the theory that several people were involved in Maddie's 'death'. If 3 or more people 'knew' she was killed and her body disposed of, surely there is a high possibility of one of those people leaking/giving up information...either from stress or unwittingly...or....

I don't think it was several, but perhaps four or less. I think that as doctors, they were all by nature and education/training very able to think objectively.

Madeleine has passed away due to some unfortunate accident. (Overdose of sedation medicine, fall, etc.) It was a tragic accident that could happen to any of us. Therefore, we stick together (a select few) and protect the McCanns from losing their other children...and their careers. We're not covering up a crime, we're saving our dear friends from losing their remaining two children as well.

They are highly motivated to keep it secret, and well aided in that by the McCanns and Clarence Mitchell, etc, etc.

Again, you have to remember that these are doctors or highly skilled professionals who are very self-disciplined people. They have both the ability and the will to carry out something they find motivating.

 

[Barnaby]

Hi IW,

Just wanted to assure you that it is fine with me if you (or anybody) want to get creative with fonts, sizes or bolding of my posts to help emphasis your points.

Absolutely fine with me also if anyone wants to do this with any of my posts