Madeleine McCann General Discussion Thread No. 26

[fabgod]

More on the McCanns visit to see the Pope

Quote Brit1981

kate never had a personal audicence with the Pope. She went to the Mass, and during the walk out the Pope came over to them and blessed a picture of Madeliene

From the Telegraph

"The couple, both Catholics, had received an invitation from the Vatican and sat in the Prima Fila – the front row - twenty yards away from Pope Benedict XVI at Wednesday's regular General Audience. The seats are normally reserved for world leaders and dignitaries."

From Clerical Whispers

The meeting was arranged through Cardinal Cormac Murphy O’Connor, Archbishop of Westminster

From CNN

In the Field: A meeting with the Pope CNN.com blogs

From CNN's Rome Bureau Chief, Alessio Vinci
Thursday, May 31, 2007

I was perplexed when I got the call to cover the visit of Kate and Gerry McCann to the Vatican

Facts prove that the McCann visit to Rome was hardly a chance visit

 

[SapphireSteel]

My point is not about religion, as such.

Regardless of whom she went to visit, I find it extremely nauseating and callous beyond belief that Kate left Portugal at the very time her traumatised, injured and distressed baby may have been found in some pedo's clutches, calling for her mummy.

There is a church and a priest in PDL for religious comfort and guidance, who was extremely accommodating and supportive. Not good enough for Kate apparently who said she could NEVER envision leaving Portugal without Madeleine and proceeded to do just that.

Where I come from, that is called a "lie".

:cow:

It's a bit wierd to repost yourself but people are missing my point re. Pope. She could've gone to see the purple people eater for all I care. I am in no way minimising or bashing her or any ones faith...but I am questioning her maternal instinct.

My point is bolded.

Put yourself in the shoes of a mother whose baby has been stolen and probably raped/tortured.

That baby may well be FOUND at any minute if the abductor is local

Why would you be anywhere else but right there waiting? It's not about YOU, it's about your BABY and being there for your baby. You cannot be there if you leave the country. It would be unthinkable for me or any mother I would say.

Madeleine hadn't even been gone a month.

Her actions are that of a mother who knows her daughter will not be found.

This visit was arranged by their PR Machine. This was done largely for publicity.

I find it staggering that she would leave Portugal...for an audience with ANYONE. There would only be one face I would want to see.

All my opinion as usual.

:cow:

 

[badhorsie]

Rome awaits...

"Clarence spoke to us about a possible visit to the Vatican. Rome is already preparing itself. Francis Campbell was spoken to"

– Kate McCanns' diary, 27th of May, as reported in Correio da Manhã 26 July 2007

taken from here
http://www.mccannfiles.com/id91.html

It was hardly a chance visit to the Vatican where the Pope just happened to walk over!

BBM. What the heck is this all about?

 

[SapphireSteel]

BBM. What the heck is this all about?

Let's have a closer look - sbm and taken from your link - thank you.

This highlights some of the more interesting aspects of their Public Relations Campaign at the time - the goal of which was clearly not the actual physical search for Madeleine (and remember she'd been gone less than one month), but to garner publicity and sympathy (and funds) for her parents. One of the miracles of Spin is that largely, it has worked. The British Public fell for it hook, line and sinker. With a little bit of help from the Establishment.

Maddy's parents leave for Vatican, 30 May 2007
Maddy's parents leave for Vatican Telegraph
By Richard Edwards and Fiona Govan in Praia da Luz
Last Updated: 2:10AM BST 02 Jun 2007
Almost four weeks after Madeleine was abducted, Gerry and Kate McCann flew to Rome after receiving a formal invitation from the Vatican.
Mrs McCann carried with her a small photograph of Madeleine which she will present to Pope Benedict XVI at a general audience in St Peter's Square today.

(no cuddle cat?)

The visit to Rome is the first time Mr an Mrs McCann have left Portugal as a couple and they intend to use it as a "template" for other trips

Wow...not expecting the Popes prayers to work then, to already have a schedule and templates mapped out? Give the guy a chance!

as they continue their campaign to raise worldwide awareness about Madeleine. They also plan trips to Madrid, Berlin and Amsterdam,where they intend to meet children's charities and government ministers with a portfolio for child welfare.

Did they actually achieve any of these noble endeavours? Perhaps some of our McCann supporters can help us with details of their meetings with government ministers around the world?

:dunno:

Sir Philip Green, the British billionaire retail tycoon, has loaned his private jet to the McCanns for their visit to Rome. Mr Mitchell said: "They are travelling around Europe for a reason: to help bring back Madeleine."

They suspected she was in the Vatican, apparently. :sleuth:

They have emphasised that they do not want to be seen as a "celebrity couple"

:what:

In view of the circumstances, this is the most bizarre sentence in the entire statement. Why would such a thing even cross their mind? It is absolute proof they care about their "image" and how they are seen. This is NOT ABOUT THEM.

:maddening:

Mr and Mrs McCann were greeted in Rome by the British ambassador to the Holy See, Francis Campbell, and stayed at his residence.

I can almost see the forelock tugging. Do royalty even get this sort of treatment? This is inexplicable interferance on behalf of the British government for what became a criminal investigation! Can you imagine Karen Matthews staying at the Ambassadors house? Farcical!

:lol:

This morning they will attend a General Audience at the Vatican. It is believed the Pope will refer to Madeleine "prominently" during prayers. As many as 40,000 people are expected to gather in St Peter's Square.

As honoured guests, Kate and Gerry McCann will sit in the front row... known as the prima fila, normally reserved for heads of state and dignitaries.

I wonder how many of the other 40,000 present at the mass that day were praying for missing relatives? No private planes and prayers for them...

:waitasec:

The Pope will speak to them in English and may also invite them to a private audience afterwards.

Madeleine was, at the time of this obsequious piece of flannel being printed, still "abducted". The behaviour of her parents and their employees is inexplicable when you consider the human tragedy behind all these goings on. Here they are, forming private companies, hiring away staff from government departments, organising templates and trips (not searches) and worrying that they not be seen as a "celebrity couple". Where, exactly, is the grief?

These are the actions of people who know their daughter will not be found alive.

They are the actions of narcissists with nothing to fear. They reveal thought processes that have little or nothing to do with finding their daughter, and everything to do with image, spin, publicity, and presumably, fund raising.

As usual, my opinion only.

:cow:

 

[Clutchbag]

latest blog from the mastermind has their number blacksmith

http://blacksmithbureau.blogspot.co.uk/2012/10/inference-and-illusion-concluded.html

 

[Clutchbag]

Another new blog entry, critique of KMs book

http://onlyinamericablogging.blogspot.com/2012/10/kate-mccanns-book-to-be-truthful-and.html

 

[fabgod]

latest blog from the mastermind has their number blacksmith

http://blacksmithbureau.blogspot.co.uk/2012/10/inference-and-illusion-concluded.html

Excellent work as was the previous article
here
http://blacksmithbureau.blogspot.co.uk/2012/09/brain-teasers.html

 

[SapphireSteel]

Another new blog entry, critique of KMs book

http://onlyinamericablogging.blogspot.com/2012/10/kate-mccanns-book-to-be-truthful-and.html

Thank you for posting this.

A compelling and refreshing criticism of the McCanns, their spin, their behaviour.

It is good to read honest opinion instead of McCann spin, furthermore have it placed in front of you in such a considered way that highlights just how many lies Gerry and Kate have told.

McCann defenders need to read this blog. There are questions that MUST be answered. Madeleine is long gone but justice still needs to be served.

 

[Clutchbag]

Thank you for posting this.

A compelling and refreshing criticism of the McCanns, their spin, their behaviour.

It is good to read honest opinion instead of McCann spin, furthermore have it placed in front of you in such a considered way that highlights just how many lies Gerry and Kate have told.

McCann defenders need to read this blog. There are questions that MUST be answered. Madeleine is long gone but justice still needs to be served.

yes however long it takes to expose their massive deception and everyone involved in it, they will never get away with it hiwever fast they run
:rocker:

 

[osadelnorte]

I have a question, mostly it's just curiosity, but I'd love to hear anyone's input. I have just finished reading Kate McCann's book and have a lot of uneasiness about the whole thing. But one thing in particular which stood out to me was the section where Kate seemed to be complaining about the age-progressed picture which appears on the back cover of the book, of Madeleine as she might look lately; she's wearing a hairband, maybe a school uniform blouse or something like that. Kate says they used hers and Gerry's pictures from childhood to come up with this picture and the book includes a small photo of Kate as a little girl, looking very much like the age-progressed photo of Madeleine.

Kate does seem unhappy with the age-progression, IMO. She said something about the picture looking "too American." What on earth does that mean? I live in the US, and I have been racking my brain trying to figure out what makes the picture look American at all, let alone too much so. Does anyone know what she means by that? Also, I'm wondering if she would ever be happy with any picture that was produced; if Madeleine's still alive, she could be anywhere in the world, how strange to complain about her hypothetical picture looking "too American."

 

[SapphireSteel]

I have a question, mostly it's just curiosity, but I'd love to hear anyone's input. I have just finished reading Kate McCann's book and have a lot of uneasiness about the whole thing. But one thing in particular which stood out to me was the section where Kate seemed to be complaining about the age-progressed picture which appears on the back cover of the book, of Madeleine as she might look lately; she's wearing a hairband, maybe a school uniform blouse or something like that. Kate says they used hers and Gerry's pictures from childhood to come up with this picture and the book includes a small photo of Kate as a little girl, looking very much like the age-progressed photo of Madeleine.

Kate does seem unhappy with the age-progression, IMO. She said something about the picture looking "too American." What on earth does that mean? I live in the US, and I have been racking my brain trying to figure out what makes the picture look American at all, let alone too much so. Does anyone know what she means by that? Also, I'm wondering if she would ever be happy with any picture that was produced; if Madeleine's still alive, she could be anywhere in the world, how strange to complain about her hypothetical picture looking "too American."

Kate and Gerry have done nothing but complain since the evening of May 3 when they decided there weren't enough police, what police there were were useless, and they were investigating the wrong way because K & G had TOLD them what happened goddamit.

They have attempted to steer the investigation since day one.

I might ask who paid for this unsatisfactory picture to be assembled...these things don't come cheap.

Oh yes it was Scotland Yard...quite usual for SY to pay the Americans for an aged progression portrait of a missing child isn't it, just look at Ben Needhams...oh that's right he doesn't have one.

:banghead:

 

[fabgod]

I have a question, mostly it's just curiosity, but I'd love to hear anyone's input. I have just finished reading Kate McCann's book and have a lot of uneasiness about the whole thing. But one thing in particular which stood out to me was the section where Kate seemed to be complaining about the age-progressed picture which appears on the back cover of the book, of Madeleine as she might look lately; she's wearing a hairband, maybe a school uniform blouse or something like that. Kate says they used hers and Gerry's pictures from childhood to come up with this picture and the book includes a small photo of Kate as a little girl, looking very much like the age-progressed photo of Madeleine.

Kate does seem unhappy with the age-progression, IMO. She said something about the picture looking "too American." What on earth does that mean? I live in the US, and I have been racking my brain trying to figure out what makes the picture look American at all, let alone too much so. Does anyone know what she means by that? Also, I'm wondering if she would ever be happy with any picture that was produced; if Madeleine's still alive, she could be anywhere in the world, how strange to complain about her hypothetical picture looking "too American."

Strange thing to say, I've never heard that one before,
I thought us Brits looked pretty much the same as Americans?
I really cannot think of anything that would make us look different, but, not much surprises me about Mr and Mrs McCanns statements anymore

 

[SapphireSteel]

IIRC there are two aged pictures, one of which looked more like a shrivelled old lady than anything else.

It occurs to me that I would be grateful to anyone who helped me in any way (however misguided) to search for my daughter.

But then, Kate never actually searched, did she.

History will one day judge this case as the most blatant and inexplicable miscarriage of justice in English legal history.

 

[osadelnorte]

Strange thing to say, I've never heard that one before,
I thought us Brits looked pretty much the same as Americans?
I really cannot think of anything that would make us look different, but, not much surprises me about Mr and Mrs McCanns statements anymore

I can't think of anything either. Both countries are such an amalgamation of people from all over the world. I look at my own children, who have tan complexions with green eyes and dark blonde hair, and I can't believe that they are made up of Syrian, Italian, German, Latvian, Welsh and Irish ancestry. They don't necessarily look like any of those cultures but they're all in there!

This is the picture I mean. I think it was issued by the NCMEC, which is a US agency. I remember reading that some of the earlier age-progressions, such as that (IMO) really upsetting one where they took the "official" missing pic of her in the red top (probably age 3) and progressed it to show her a year later, looking very haggard, unkempt and unhealthy, were done by artists for very little money; I think the McCann Files article said they could be had for as little as 80 pounds. But I tend to think that the NCMEC must have highly-qualified artists and their pictures probably cost more. Anyway, I will post the complained-about photo here; I still don't see what looks "too American" about this picture, and I think it's an excellent hypothetical likeness.

 

[Clutchbag]

Kate Mccann has complained in her book and in some tv interviews about so many people who actually helped or were trying to help. not just complained but called them names. there must be a word for that......

Shes also cast vague aspersions against the creche workers or other MW staff when wondering if Madeleinehad been drugged during the day when she was attending there

If she wasnt happy with the picture she should not given the go ahead to ernie allens team in the states who produced it

Imsure I remember her saying in a documentary that she was happy with it, I think it was at the end of that one done by channel 4 called Madeleine was here but I cant be bothered to check it

It will be the last part on youtube

 

[osadelnorte]

Kate Mccann has complained in her book and in some tv interviews about so many people who actually helped or were trying to help. not just complained but called them names. there must be a word for that......

Shes also cast vague aspersions against the creche workers or other MW staff when wondering if Madeleinehad been drugged during the day when she was attending there

If she wasnt happy with the picture she should not given the go ahead to ernie allens team in the states who produced it

Imsure I remember her saying in a documentary that she was happy with it, I think it was at the end of that one done by channel 4 called Madeleine was here but I cant be bothered to check it

It will be the last part on youtube

Ernie Allen is head of the NCMEC, correct?

I don't know that she was uniformly unhappy with this picture, she just said that it looked "too American," if I remember correctly. I find that to be a weird statement coming from someone who is ostensibly desperate to find her young missing child.

 

[Clutchbag]

yes osaldenorte, its like nitpicking and ingratitude, what can one say

Anyway here are their comments to ernie allen, yes of ncmec, i dug out the documentary

Madeleine was here part 5/5 - YouTube

Kate said she could see parts that were definitely Madeleine

You see? just another person/organisation she was unhappy with, criticised as somehow not being up to scratch in her book, the list is extremely long

 

[SapphireSteel]

yes osaldenorte, its like nitpicking and ingratitude, what can one say

Anyway here are their comments to ernie allen, yes of ncmec, i dug out the documentary

Madeleine was here part 5/5 - YouTube

Kate said she could see parts that were definitely Madeleine

You see? just another person/organisation she was unhappy with, criticised as somehow not being up to scratch in her book, the list is extremely long

Ironic really, when you consider that the only people responsible for this mess in the first place are Kate and Gerry.

ullhair:

 

[Clutchbag]

Ironic really, when you consider that the only people responsible for this mess in the first place are Kate and Gerry.

ullhair:

Even if they were not involved I think it is really crass to criticise libel or swear about so many

The people who searched giving up their time and those goong off work, saying they could havebeen more organised when she never got off her ar se to search for her ownflesh and blood
Mrs Fenn an old woman with a plummy voice who annoyed kate
the social worker who made her feel uncomfortable
Robert Murat who she wanted to kill after he gave his time freely helping
The PJ in general after conducting the most massive ever manhunt and spending millions of euros
Mr Amaral as a disgrace and has ruined their lives
Mr Paiva the f....tosser
Mr Grime...who made his dogs react for personal gain
the dogs..who reacted just to pls their master you know the ones LE all over the world use just because they pls their masters andnever findanything
cadaver scent, not a person, but lied it only lasts a month thays why LE all over the world send them in months later, LE must be thick or not advised
the priest consoling them had a happy face and it annoyed her
Some press who only posted facts and were threatened with legal action
General UK press, gerry said no one in the worlds history has ever been so maligned as he has when he spoke at a culture select committee
Theresa May and Cameron..just fluffy words
The initial police on the scene..tweedle dee and tweedledum
Anyone questioning their account of events
Staff at the ocean club..someone in the restaraunt left open a note in the diary that the kids were left alone
Staff at the creche...someone drugged madeleine on thursday
Whoever was supposed to be looking after their twins one day when they complained they had to go pick them up being interrupted from their media interviews
Internet posters
The whole state of Portugal...cos they cover up child abuse for their tourism
Whilst not a criticism of anyone the fund recieves donations from the public to help fund search activities but the fund charges people to recieve posters, stickers and the like, whats that all about
Theres loads more in the list that was just off the top of my head

 

[osadelnorte]

Oh, yes. She complained so much in her book. I don't know what I was expecting when I got it from the library but it was just a strange book in general. I noticed that she spoke very disparagingly of the social worker who tried to help right after the disappearance, and didn't even mention the woman by name. I just can't believe that she wouldn't be grateful for ANY assistance offered to her in a time of such incredible grief and worry.