Madeleine McCann General Discussion Thread No. 26

[Clutchbag]

Oh, yes. She complained so much in her book. I don't know what I was expecting when I got it from the library but it was just a strange book in general. I noticed that she spoke very disparagingly of the social worker who tried to help right after the disappearance, and didn't even mention the woman by name. I just can't believe that she wouldn't be grateful for ANY assistance offered to her in a time of such incredible grief and worry.

the woman gave her her name and showed credentials at the time, just another lie

Its a strange book because it is NOT the truth

the discrepancies within it and their own words on tv and the police files prove it

it was an attempt to rewrite history and embroider the facts, it spectacularly failed but the general population are oblivious to it

her book though is a document of evidence now in the investigation

I once thought maybe the british govt were covering something up and thats why they feel so blase about lying now im not so sure, perhaps they are giving them enough rope

Even if their child died from anaccident and they covered it up doesnt forgive the fund fraud unless theyve donated it all to charity but we know thats not the truth

 

[osadelnorte]

The more I learn, the more I believe in the accident theory. It seems to make the most sense. I just don't know how they were able to keep all their friends quiet about it. But then I think about her animosity toward that social worker and the fact that the social worker realized she knew David Payne; maybe there was something terrible they all knew about him and they used it as blackmail; the Gaspar statements about pedophile-like behavior come to mind. IDK...such a weird, twisted situation.

 

[Clutchbag]

The more I learn, the more I believe in the accident theory. It seems to make the most sense. I just don't know how they were able to keep all their friends quiet about it. But then I think about her animosity toward that social worker and the fact that the social worker realized she knew David Payne; maybe there was something terrible they all knew about him and they used it as blackmail; the Gaspar statements about pedophile-like behavior come to mind. IDK...such a weird, twisted situation.

Idontknow if they kept their friends quiet
They neednt have known about it
bur they are bully andcallous enoughto have quietened them if they had to

I cant stand them at all, nothingthey say or do makes think they are grieving parents looking for a live child, all their words and actions point to a dead one and that they know it, thats it, thattheycan keep up this pretence is mind boggling but people do do it if its in their interests

 

[osadelnorte]

Idontknow if they kept their friends quiet
They neednt have known about it
bur they are bully andcallous enoughto have quietened them if they had to

True. Maybe they didn't inform their friends at all, I don't think I had considered that before.

 

[SapphireSteel]

The friends could easily be bullied into covering for them IF the friends also had something to hide.

I don't know about you but if I go away on a "family holiday", family is who I spend time with, not an assortment of other unrelated adults of varying familiarity.

If you open your mind and think "hmm, a bunch of married people with small children going away on holiday together repeatedly" it brings to my mind at least the prospect of swinging, especially as you consider plenty of alcohol was consumed every night by the same group who under normal circumstances would be sick of each other's faces by day 4.

Perhaps the Tapas people were easily blackmailed because they had all been involved in something they didn't want made public.

 

[Clutchbag]

True. Maybe they didn't inform their friends at all, I don't think I had considered that before.

I think their friends just supported them and probably told a few white lies cos the lot of the shameful lotwere out eating and drinking whilst leaving their babies and toddlers alone, two of them sick

Im not convinced tanner lied for them either i think she embellished what she saw though

 

[osadelnorte]

I think their friends just supported them and probably told a few white lies cos the lot of the shameful lotwere out eating and drinking whilst leaving their babies and toddlers alone, two of them sick

Im not convinced tanner lied for them either i think she embellished what she saw though

It does seem like they may have exaggerated the number of times they performed their "checks" on the children; the table would have been a hive of activity if everyone got up and down as much as they claim they did, and wouldn't others in the restaurant have been disturbed by it, or at least noticed it? I can't recall if other guests discussed it or not...

 

[Clutchbag]

It does seem like they may have exaggerated the number of times they performed their "checks" on the children; the table would have been a hive of activity if everyone got up and down as much as they claim they did, and wouldn't others in the restaurant have been disturbed by it, or at least noticed it? I can't recall if other guests discussed it or not...

according to them someone was up every five minutes
Makes u wonder why they bothered going out at all if they felt the need to check so often
Could have had take aways and drinks on their own balconies in earshot of their babies and toddlers

what parent could sit eat and drink leaving their toddlers indoors on their own and with an opendoor, a pathetic one

 

[SapphireSteel]

Yeah I don't know about this DP thing.

It seems to me too coincidental that friends spoke of his behaviour around the children, then a completely unrelated social worker recognises his face from somewhere work related.

I wonder if she has had any better recall over the years?

Or just another one too frightened of the libel suits to speak again?

 

[Clutchbag]

Yeah I don't know about this DP thing.

It seems to me too coincidental that friends spoke of his behaviour around the children, then a completely unrelated social worker recognises his face from somewhere work related.

I wonder if she has had any better recall over the years?

Or just another one too frightened of the libel suits to speak again?

statements given to police cant be under libel laws

 

[Clutchbag]

I disagree. I'm not accusing them of doing such a thing, but I don't think it's outside the realm of possibility. People have done that.

its sickening to think they did and if they did then go on to raise money and make appeals for five years

I dont think is is the case here, I think they know exactly what happened to their child and covered it up, either an accident whilst left alone or one of them hit out at her and it turned fateful, this because they have been caught lying on so many occasions. Innocent parents of a missing child dont lie or refuse to cooperate with police, Or write books to rewrite history, so what is their motive for lying

 

[osadelnorte]

its sickening to think they did and if they did then go on to raise money and make appeals for five years

I dont think is is the case here, I think they know exactly what happened to their child and covered it up, either an accident whilst left alone or one of them hit out at her and it turned fateful, this because they have been caught lying on so many occasions. Innocent parents of a missing child dont lie or refuse to cooperate with police, Or write books to rewrite history, so what is their motive for lying

I agree, and an accident has always been my suspicion as well. I just think it's a case where we can't really rule out any motivations or circumstances. It's just that weird and convoluted and unbelievable, IMO. In other words, I don't think anything would surprise me at this point.

 

[SapphireSteel]

statements given to police cant be under libel laws

What about statements given to the Portugese police?

I doubt this woman has ever been questioned by the British police...unless of course Andy Rocketscientist is going to get to her, after he's done with the psychics.

 

[SapphireSteel]

I am starting to think Madeleine's death was a murder...or at least, not entirely accidental.

I didn't earlier, I too thought "tragic accident, cover up" but the McCann behaviour since the event has me seriously questioning exactly what these people are truly capable of.

I have questions over Madeleine's health, her "fit" into the family once the perfect twins came along.

Mothers and daughters can often have strained relationships, and Madeleine sounded either quite out of control, or perhaps suffering from ADHD or something similar.

I think it is entirely possible that Kate had daydreamed about only having the twins, and how much easier life would be.

I find the timing (final night of the holiday) to be significant.

What if Kate wished to "lose" her troublesome older daughter, and had already decided that a foreign holiday where the local police are naive and unused to serious crime, would be the ideal?

 

[badhorsie]

I am not sure that we should be bashing the parents here. AFAIK WS is a victim friendly forum. If I am correct we can discuss the evidence but attacking the McCanns is going a bit far. Especially the swinging allegations which have nothing to suggest that there is any truth in them
Hopefully a mod can clarify things

 

[Salem]

The Portugese LE named the McCanns as suspects in the investigation. That can be discussed. Speculating and theorizing based on the media releases and LE reports may be discussed.

The speculating needs to remain respectful, clearly state that it is the poster's opinion and refrain from bashing the parents. This is a fine line, but it can be done.

Salem

 

[SapphireSteel]

They should never have been cleared from arguido status in the first place.

The facts that led to that status still exist, and remain unexplained.

Here is where the McCann case takes a sharp swerve away from a missing baby, into political interferance, which in itself needs investigating.

This case is like an onion, the more layers you peel away, the stinkier it gets.

 

[SapphireSteel]

its sickening to think they did and if they did then go on to raise money and make appeals for five years

I dont think is is the case here, I think they know exactly what happened to their child and covered it up, either an accident whilst left alone or one of them hit out at her and it turned fateful, this because they have been caught lying on so many occasions. Innocent parents of a missing child dont lie or refuse to cooperate with police, Or write books to rewrite history, so what is their motive for lying

They are still doing it, and what's more they haven't delivered a single promise that they made back in the days when they were coining it in.

Nothing spent on other missing children. No cosy chats with child safety ministers around the globe. No funding or working with public figures to provide safety education.

Anything for April?

:dunno:

 

[Salem]

The Portugese LE named the McCanns as suspects in the investigation. That can be discussed. Speculating and theorizing based on the media releases and LE reports may be discussed.

The speculating needs to remain respectful, clearly state that it is the poster's opinion and refrain from bashing the parents. This is a fine line, but it can be done.

Salem

I am quoting my own post to add to it because I don't want anyone to miss this: Discussion of the McCanns needs to relate to MSM and LE reports. ANY discussion of the "friends" needs to be directly linked to MSM or LE reports and the link needs to be in the post.

Very little was released about the friends and much of the discussion was based on rumors - so.... from here on out, every post discussing the friends needs to be linked up.

If you have questions, let me or one of the other mods know through PM.

Thanks,

Salem

 

[Blunomore]

I am on the fence with regard to the McCanns' involvement in Madeleine 's disappearance.

What strikes me, is their media presence: surely, if they were involved in Madeleine's disappearance, they would want as little media exposure as possible and would rather want the case to die down in the public eye as opposed to writing books, appearing on talk shows, etc.

If you committed a crime, or was somehow responsible for your child's death, you would not want to talk to the media, because you may just unintentionally incriminate yourself by something you said.