Madeleine McCann: German prisoner identified as suspect - #17

[Okapi]

Our old friend Tim. I like the visual layout. I'm presuming that a lot of info is noted in the WS timeline.

I can't source the 4weeks rental assertion, Super.

Only vague references to a tenure in 2007.

"Police used excavators, sniffer dogs, shovels and rakes to investigate the plot, where neighbours said Brueckner, 43, moved to 10 years ago and left within a year."

'Secret cellar' found at Madeleine McCann suspect's property

"Wolfgang Kossack, 73, who owns the plot next to Brueckner's Hanover allotment, told MailOnline yesterday that Brueckner had lived off-grid at the site in 2007 and talked about planning his return to southern Europe. "

German police refuse to reveal what was found in Madeleine McCann search | Daily Mail Online

 

[Sharkbite]

Our old friend Tim. I like the visual layout. I'm presuming that a lot of info is noted in the WS timeline.

I can't source the 4weeks rental assertion, Super.

Only vague references to a tenure in 2007.

"Police used excavators, sniffer dogs, shovels and rakes to investigate the plot, where neighbours said Brueckner, 43, moved to 10 years ago and left within a year."

'Secret cellar' found at Madeleine McCann suspect's property

"Wolfgang Kossack, 73, who owns the plot next to Brueckner's Hanover allotment, told MailOnline yesterday that Brueckner had lived off-grid at the site in 2007 and talked about planning his return to southern Europe. "

German police refuse to reveal what was found in Madeleine McCann search | Daily Mail Online

Wasn't there something about CB meeting someone at a German festival that allowed him to use the Hanover plot?

ETA

"“The owner of the allotment let him stay there after meeting him at a festival in Hanover and finding out he was homeless.”
Madeleine McCann suspect's grim 'hiding child' remark as 'secret cellar' found

 

[enjy15]

The timeline just made me aware that Monika Pawlak and CB were pictured together in 2009 (she was murdered in 2o10 and dismembered), it's crazy how many people in proximity to CB end up getting murdered or abused especially vulnerable people (MP had special needs, the teenage run aways, children).

The dismemberment made me think of when the German prosecution said MM's body has not been found nor any parts of the body. Monika was dismembered. Carola Titze who was last seen alive with a German man and her body was found severely mutilated. The rape victim Hazel said he had a large knife/machete. The 72 year old rape victim was tortured by CB.

I think CB is a sadist and commits extreme offences. If these are all rightly linked to him then it shows his pattern of offences. I think CB and Martin Ney are linked somehow, such extreme offenders in close proximity, both wear masks when offending, known for break-ins, transporting children and links to children's homes.

 

[SuperdadV8]

The timeline just made me aware that Monika Pawlak and CB were pictured together in 2009 (she was murdered in 2o10 and dismembered), it's crazy how many people in proximity to CB end up getting murdered or abused especially vulnerable people (MP had special needs, the teenage run aways, children).

The dismemberment made me think of when the German prosecution said MM's body has not been found nor any parts of the body. Monika was dismembered. Carola Titze who was last seen alive with a German man and her body was found severely mutilated. The rape victim Hazel said he had a large knife/machete. The 72 year old rape victim was tortured by CB.

I think CB is a sadist and commits extreme offences. If these are all rightly linked to him then it shows his pattern of offences. I think CB and Martin Ney are linked somehow, such extreme offenders in close proximity, both wear masks when offending, known for break-ins, transporting children and links to children's homes.

MN also used to bury at least two of his known victims under sand...

 

[enjy15]

MN also used to bury at least two of his known victims under sand...

I looked at Martin Ney's wikipedia today and I know I'm going to have nightmares tonight. Interesting that he murdered a child every 3 years and MM would fit into that scale.
"Ney murdered a child every three years – 1992, 1995, 1998, 2001 and 2004, before Madeleine vanished in May 2007."
I believe he was cleared by the PJ though but I do think he is linked somehow to the case somehow or to CB

 

[redplanet]

Wasn't there something about CB meeting someone at a German festival that allowed him to use the Hanover plot?

ETA

"“The owner of the allotment let him stay there after meeting him at a festival in Hanover and finding out he was homeless.”
Madeleine McCann suspect's grim 'hiding child' remark as 'secret cellar' found

I wonder which festival that was?

 

[SuperdadV8]

I wonder which festival that was?

Could have been the Summer Punk Open Air or Plaza Festival.

 

[SuperdadV8]

I looked at Martin Ney's wikipedia today and I know I'm going to have nightmares tonight. Interesting that he murdered a child every 3 years and MM would fit into that scale.
"Ney murdered a child every three years – 1992, 1995, 1998, 2001 and 2004, before Madeleine vanished in May 2007."
I believe he was cleared by the PJ though but I do think he is linked somehow to the case somehow or to CB

Yes, but MN murdered boys and just 3 crimes could have been linked to him. He is said to have bragged around about killing a boy in france, but the fifth one, Nicky Verstappen, has been linked to a dutch paedo named Jos B due to DNA traces.

BUT: A lot of peados are likely linked over the internet, so some modi operandi should resemble. According to a lot of similarities between CB and MN, i wouldn't be surprised, if they knew each other.

 

[mrjitty]

Geo prox is worthless in terms of linking CB to crimes

Millions of people live within 50km of some of those

This is the trouble with the tabloid 'linking' coverage where suddenly cold crimes are linked to him because he lived in a major city like Hannover

As far as we know there is no forensic evidence that links him to a murder ever ...

 

[Anxala]

I remain fairly sceptical anything will come of it.

Well, they might get CB for something, that's possible, some other unsolved crime/s which would still be a good outcome in terms of keeping him where he is, locked up and unable to do any further damage to anyone.

But I very much doubt this investigation, at its end, will throw any light whatsoever on the disappearance of the child at the epi-centre of it.

 

[redplanet]

Could have been the Summer Punk Open Air or Plaza Festival.

TY. I wonder if CB was in Hannover on 8th June 2007? (Plaza festival)

 

[enjy15]

Well, they might get CB for something, that's possible, some other unsolved crime/s which would still be a good outcome in terms of keeping him where he is, locked up and unable to do any further damage to anyone.

But I very much doubt this investigation, at its end, will throw any light whatsoever on the disappearance of the child at the epi-centre of it.

Why do you think so?

 

[mrjitty]

Well, they might get CB for something, that's possible, some other unsolved crime/s which would still be a good outcome in terms of keeping him where he is, locked up and unable to do any further damage to anyone.

But I very much doubt this investigation, at its end, will throw any light whatsoever on the disappearance of the child at the epi-centre of it.

I hope they get him for other stuff definitely - as I am sure there is more of it.

On the MM angle, I want to see some actual evidence before forming a view.

But I am definitely not on board with "the german police say it so they must have the good stuff"

 

[Hellyl]

According to video link in this, information from "sources within the investigation and within politics" we still haven't heard the whole story in the case and there is basically a "pressure" tactic going on by prosecutors/LE in not questioning him yet, to see if he will give up information or give information on others.

Inside Madeleine McCann suspect's cell where he spends 23 hours a day

 

[SuperdadV8]

According to video link in this, information from "sources within the investigation and within politics" we still haven't heard the whole story in the case and there is basically a "pressure" tactic going on by prosecutors/LE in not questioning him yet, to see if he will give up information or give information on others.

Inside Madeleine McCann suspect's cell where he spends 23 hours a day

Yes. Seems like, CB is living out his artistic vein, what tells a lot about his psyche to me...

Mutmaßlicher Maddie-Mörder zeichnet seine Zelle

 

[enjy15]

According to video link in this, information from "sources within the investigation and within politics" we still haven't heard the whole story in the case and there is basically a "pressure" tactic going on by prosecutors/LE in not questioning him yet, to see if he will give up information or give information on others.

Inside Madeleine McCann suspect's cell where he spends 23 hours a day

Interesting article, I hope CB cracks soon. My concern about the reporter giving this information publicly is now CB’s lawyer, FF, will know the prosecutors are using pressure tactics and will encourage CB to refrain! Did I understand properly when he said CB is in custody for this case but hasn’t been questioned?

 

[SuperdadV8]

Interesting article, I hope CB cracks soon. My concern about the reporter giving this information publicly is now CB’s lawyer, FF, will know the prosecutors are using pressure tactics and will encourage CB to refrain! Did I understand properly when he said CB is in custody for this case but hasn’t been questioned?

CB is in custody for the drug charge until january 2021 and hasn't been questioned in the MM-case so far, because normally an interrogation starts at the end of the investigations.

If CB's appeal at ECJ and BGH in the rape case will be rejected, the 7 year rape sentence custody will follow after the drug sentence custody.

But HCW told the media, that CB has the possibility to contact the prosecuters 24/7, if he wants to speak about something.

 

[enjy15]

Madeleine McCann prime suspect Christian Brueckner draws pencil sketch of his cramped prison cell | Daily Mail Online
“He also has his own television, from where he keeps abreast of the latest developments in the Madeleine McCann case, it has been reported.” If the German LE are using pressure tactics why is he allowed access to a television?

 

[peanutJelly]

Madeleine McCann prime suspect Christian Brueckner draws pencil sketch of his cramped prison cell | Daily Mail Online
“He also has his own television, from where he keeps abreast of the latest developments in the Madeleine McCann case, it has been reported.” If the German LE are using pressure tactics why is he allowed access to a television?

Well he’s not on suicide watch if he’s allowed a sharp pencil...

How does this even find it’s way into the media?!

 

[enjy15]

Well he’s not on suicide watch if he’s allowed a sharp pencil...

How does this even find it’s way into the media?!

I would have thought if they were trying to use pressure tactics they wouldn’t allow him to follow the case in any form as it would backfire on them, no? I guess FF would be informing him anyway even if he didn’t have access to media.

I have no idea how it got to the media but they seem to publish anything about the MM case, even the smallest things. Probably why the German LE are keeping so tight lipped!