Madeleine McCann: German prisoner identified as suspect - #17

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  • #641
What evidence do we have so far ?
Not much
--- he was in the area
--- he is a bad dude
--- rumors they found pictures or videos

According to HCW not all evidence that likely exists has been shared with PJ and SY. I'm not surprised, that media is focusing on every single drop of info in that case, so we can read about food plans and other stuff.

Not really satisfying, i know.
 
  • #642
What evidence do we have so far ?
Not much
--- he was in the area
--- he is a bad dude
--- rumors they found pictures or videos

I’m not sure how important it is but he has seemingly admitted to it in 2008 and 2017. It is a strange thing to maintain over such a long period if it’s untrue.
 
  • #643
What evidence do we have so far ?
Not much
--- he was in the area
--- he is a bad dude
--- rumors they found pictures or videos

Again this is my major beef.

Media content that he is a bad guy (propensity evidence) but nothing linking him to the crime. All seems rather desperate to me.

Police always have suspects, but seldom to they pronounce them guilty in the media, despite lacking the evidence to charge

Saying "we can trust the germans" (as opposed to PJ) seems rather naive to me. See Wirecard :D
 
  • #644
The timeline just made me aware that Monika Pawlak and CB were pictured together in 2009 (she was murdered in 2o10 and dismembered), it's crazy how many people in proximity to CB end up getting murdered or abused especially vulnerable people (MP had special needs, the teenage run aways, children).

The dismemberment made me think of when the German prosecution said MM's body has not been found nor any parts of the body. Monika was dismembered. Carola Titze who was last seen alive with a German man and her body was found severely mutilated. The rape victim Hazel said he had a large knife/machete. The 72 year old rape victim was tortured by CB.

I think CB is a sadist and commits extreme offences. If these are all rightly linked to him then it shows his pattern of offences. I think CB and Martin Ney are linked somehow, such extreme offenders in close proximity, both wear masks when offending, known for break-ins, transporting children and links to children's homes.

Is there actually an image of Monika P with CB from 2009? If it is the Jaegermeister girl that is being referred to then I believe that image is from 2011, so definitely not Monika P. There is a version with a timestamp floating around somewhere.
 
  • #645
Is there actually an image of Monika P with CB from 2009? If it is the Jaegermeister girl that is being referred to then I believe that image is from 2011, so definitely not Monika P. There is a version with a timestamp floating around somewhere.

Yes, CB frequented the Havanna Club Linden in Hannover from 2011 for about one and a half years. The picture with the Jägermeister Promo-Girls was taken there.

Vermisstenfall Maddie McCann: Christian B. trug immer einen Anzug mit weißen Nadelstreifen
 
  • #646
Again this is my major beef.

Media content that he is a bad guy (propensity evidence) but nothing linking him to the crime. All seems rather desperate to me.

Police always have suspects, but seldom to they pronounce them guilty in the media, despite lacking the evidence to charge

Saying "we can trust the germans" (as opposed to PJ) seems rather naive to me. See Wirecard :D
Nothing linking him to the crime? I didn’t think we were privy to the exact evidence the German police have at this point but correct me if I’m wrong. I’m pretty confident that the German police wouldn’t do all this for a laugh So they must have enough reasonable evidence to suspect him, I also know there’s a difference between knowing something and proving it in a court of law... plenty of people get away with crimes because there isn’t enough evidence unfortunately - this by no means makes them innocent btw.
 
  • #647
I know this is a reach and probably doesn’t mean anything, but CB’s sketch that has been released looks like it has been drawn over a note/letter of some sort. It looks like there is writing on the other side which is peeping through the drawing. I’ve changed the contrast on my phone and it’s clearer
 

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  • #648
Nothing linking him to the crime? I didn’t think we were privy to the exact evidence the German police have at this point but correct me if I’m wrong. I’m pretty confident that the German police wouldn’t do all this for a laugh So they must have enough reasonable evidence to suspect him, I also know there’s a difference between knowing something and proving it in a court of law... plenty of people get away with crimes because there isn’t enough evidence unfortunately - this by no means makes them innocent btw.

Again this is exactly my beef.

"they must have enough reasonable evidence to suspect him".

Fine. Investigate. But don't claim people are guilty of murders in the media and then NOT present the evidence.

I have no problem with police outlining suspects and I understand some cases can't go to trial.

It is trial by media of a "bad guy" I am against.

I also worry that after 1000 media articles, not charges are every brought, and we never find out what the supposed evidence is.
 
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  • #649
I was looking for info on the 2007 burglaries after Redplanet's post, and happened upon this BBC article from 2014.

It has some details on the break-ins/sexual assaults of mainly British preadolescent girls. I'm not aware of reading this info in the 17 threads although it may have been summarised in other media reports.

Anyway, interesting.

"Overall, nine of the 18 break-ins involved alleged sexual assaults against British girls aged six to 12.

Three took place in Praia da Luz, five in Carvoeiro, nine in Albufeira and one in Vilamoura."

Also:

"Detectives said last month that the lone intruder was described as tanned with dark hair.

They said the man was bare-chested in some of the attacks, and some witnesses said he had a pot belly. Three victims said he had a "noticeable odour".

Two of the families said the intruder had worn a distinctive burgundy long-sleeved top, and one family said the top had a white circle on the back.

The man was said to have spoken English slowly, with a foreign accent."

Madeleine police probe 18 break-ins

I do recall a new WS member who joined not long after me posting something cryptic about the distinctive burgundy top? Something linked to a gang?? Sorry can't recall exactly the details.

Also, "bare-chested." Someone who liked to sneak in naked sounds familiar. Dark hair could be a wig. Smelly like "Chris Diesel" or "The Screwdriver"?

Anyway, I guess we'll keep revisiting the acres of info/theories while we wait for the Germans to charge CB.
 
  • #650
Also, if we can have musical interludes, why not literature?

"I mean to arrive at the truth. The truth, however ugly in itself, is always curious and beautiful to the seeker after it."

From "The Murder of Roger Ackroyd" (Poirot) by Agatha Christie.
 
  • #651
Did we miss this ? or did I just forget!

"This is the man I saw"

A British witness claims to have recognized the suspect after a report by the "Sun" on Saturday. He is said to have behaved strangely near the McCann family's apartment at the time. The newspaper calls the woman a "credible witness" who is said to have described the man a few hours after the little girl disappeared at the holiday resort in Portugal. 400 neue Hinweise im Fall Maddie: Zeugin will Christian B. wiedererkannt haben
 
  • #652
Is this the woman featured in the documentary? The blond woman who played tennis (or smth) with Gerry. She said she saw 2 blonde men walking around OC the day M disappeared.
 
  • #653
Did we miss this ? or did I just forget!

"This is the man I saw"

A British witness claims to have recognized the suspect after a report by the "Sun" on Saturday. He is said to have behaved strangely near the McCann family's apartment at the time. The newspaper calls the woman a "credible witness" who is said to have described the man a few hours after the little girl disappeared at the holiday resort in Portugal. 400 neue Hinweise im Fall Maddie: Zeugin will Christian B. wiedererkannt haben

Yes, it's been discussed before. It's a relative of the tenant living above the McCann's apartment.

Madeleine witness says Christian B IS man she saw near apartment

Is this the woman featured in the documentary? The blond woman who played tennis (or smth) with Gerry. She said she saw 2 blonde men walking around OC the day M disappeared.

Are talking about JJ and her sister? If so, there's been no confirmation or denial from her in the press as to whether CB was one of the men she saw.

British witnesses: 'We saw two blond men on balcony next to Madeleine apartment' | Daily Mail Online
 
  • #654
Sorry, my English is not very good.
But I will give it a try.
There is a witness from Spain, and she saw Madeleine, about three weeks after her disappearence, getting in a VW bus.

But I remember MT told the police he moved to Spain in 2006, and CB came to visit him, end of May beginning June..
 
  • #655
Unrelated to previous comments but I’m just wondering if anyone else is able to see HB’s page? I suddenly can’t see it anymore...
 
  • #656
Sorry, my English is not very good.
But I will give it a try.
There is a witness from Spain, and she saw Madeleine, about three weeks after her disappearence, getting in a VW bus.

But I remember MT told the police he moved to Spain in 2006, and CB came to visit him, end of May beginning June..

Your English is great! That is a big coincidence.
 
  • #657
Unrelated to previous comments but I’m just wondering if anyone else is able to see HB’s page? I suddenly can’t see it anymore...
Yep gone - probably had messages from people asking about the case. Was he the one who was contacted by a journalist who was pretending to be someone else?
 
  • #658
Yep gone - probably had messages from people asking about the case. Was he the one who was contacted by a journalist who was pretending to be someone else?
I don’t know but I’d say the odds of it being him that was contacted are pretty high!
 
  • #659
I know this is a reach and probably doesn’t mean anything, but CB’s sketch that has been released looks like it has been drawn over a note/letter of some sort. It looks like there is writing on the other side which is peeping through the drawing. I’ve changed the contrast on my phone and it’s clearer
I see what you mean. Is that his signature on the bottom right as well?
 
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