Exactly.
Why mention them at all?
Because it refers to the case of missing MM and it is bureaucratic parlance? They did not notify the Dutch authorities, the only say where the case of MM is documented.
IMO there is nothing more to that.
Exactly.
Why mention them at all?
Maybe the dutch authorities had been alarmed by the media, because of the ominous letter, they have recieved?
Cops hunt witness who ‘lived by reservoir where note claimed Maddie was dumped’
No, that's right. The video they found in the farmhouse was NOT of DM but the similarities of the attack are profound which is what led them associate CB with the DM rape.The man testified at the trial of Christian Brueckner in December, stating he saw a film sequence on the video camera in which an older woman was bound and masked and whipped then raped.
'Then the man sat on the bed and pulled the mask off his face. Then I thought: That can't be. ' He recognised the house occupant.
I’m reading this different, I am reading the above quote as either HB or MS are saying that they viewed footage of the rape of DM, the man then sat on the bed & removed his mask....we know he dragged DM to the bedroom & that she was bound, masked & whipped. From media articles we were lead to believe the rape footage found on camera the victims were tied to the beam and in the photos we’ve seen with beam we haven’t seen a bed.
I’m quite sure I read the other day that HB said he hadn’t viewed footage of attack on DM.
Someone needs to enlighten FF.
Do we think he knows that HB didn't get a reduced sentence for the MM info or that he's being economical with the truth to discredit the witness further?
In answer to your points-Sorry, the below is intended for Dlk 79 but I struggled with the quote thingy!
Thanks for the images, it helps a lot. I think I am beginning to agree with you. There are still some oddities though if you are correct which I would be interested to get your input on:
1. The modifications to the house include widening the window from the interior photo and moving the fireplace wall back towards the centre of the house? It would be easier to rebuild and start again?
2. The beam has to be structural, there is no other reason for it but it is close to the end of the house, where an external structural wall would be? It would seem more logical for the beam to be in the middle of the house?
3. The only way to enter/exit this room is from the outside. To access other parts Of the very small house, you would need to go outside and back in through the door at the front of the house? This seems weird.
The Berkshire GF Stating that it is this house was always a strong point but perhaps she could be mistaken?
IMO, one of the reasons BKA released pictures of the house with the beam is that they were hoping for the young German girl to come forward who was viewed in the rape videos. This article about the tape found in the farmhouse burglary again seems to imply the rape took place in the farmhouse.
Why would MM's case at all be documented in NL?Because it refers to the case of missing MM and it is bureaucratic parlance? They did not notify the Dutch authorities, the only say where the case of MM is documented.
IMO there is nothing more to that.
Assumed sightings are not enough to document MM's case in NL.Maybe due to many assumed sightings in the Netherlands and HB's clues to CB.
Reported sightings of Madeleine McCann - Wikipedia
Exactly.
Why mention them at all?
The note, still exist?
Or a picture of the note?
Because of the handwriting
Based on the information we have, a lot has to happen to match that interior to the exterior of the PDL Farmhouse. Fair play to you, you’ve got me across the line that it could be the same house - well done!In answer to your points-
1. I reckon the entire interior was probably guttted out and completely remodellled. The original structure looks like 2 seperate buildings and very dated. I wouldn't necessarily say it was 'easier' to knock down the entire structure and start again though, it certainly wouldn't be cheaper.
2. If you look at the left roof in the first pic, I would say the beam is supporting that roof only, right in the centre. It looks like an extension to me. The beam may even have been added at a later date due to a poorly built roof which had started to sag perhaps.
3. I presume you are saying that as we can't see a door in the second pic below which would lead to the other section of the house? If you look at the chimney from the aerial view and in the first pic, it's not quite in the centre of the roof which means the fireplace isn't either. The beam in this second pic shows this even more since that beam would be in the centre of the roof you'd expect. If you take the beam to be the centre of the room, there is obviously a lot more of the room to the right of the bookcase that we can't see in this picture. I would suggest the door is there, next to the bookcase, that leads to the rest of the house.
All JMO of course. The Berkshire GF standing outside the house, a house she claimed to visit frequently would lead me to believe it's unlikley she was mistaken.
And again, as I pointed out earlier, the windows look to be identical in design and colour. The ones in the first pic look to me to be sliding windows based on that thin frame design, and one pane looks closer than the other. You can then see in pic 3 the window appears to be slid ajar on the right hand side and there are two edge frames overlapping in the centre of the window.
Why would MM's case at all be documented in NL?
Whenever a Dutch national goes missing abroad, the Dutch authorities look the other way and won't get involved.
Why would they document a disappearance of a foreign national and be mentioned by Greek authorities?
Assumed sightings are not enough to document MM's case in NL.
Here's something for an investigational journalist: what links NL to Greece and the MM case?
I agree. Guilty by association! It would be interesting to know the name of HB Bulgarian lady friend who is tied to the phone he used. XIn my opinion, the witnesses spoke because the investigation got to them sooner than we think. My theory is that someone in Germany starts to put the puzzle together (2013 suspicions + NM complaint + abuse of his ex-girlfriend's daughter + box factory) and witnesses discover that there is an investigation that may harm them (via a detective who tries to contact them, a mutual friend or CB) and they decide that contacting SY is the most convenient.
They may not be directly involved, but they may have collaborated in some way, they may have been in previous robberies at OC, there may be another pal involved.
They didn't speak until CB became a suspect. IMO
If you see the translations of the files you'll find her name. But better not to bring seemingly innocent people in this discussion.I agree. Guilty by association! It would be interesting to know the name of HB Bulgarian lady friend who is tied to the phone he used. X
Assuming the registration predates 2011. OK let's assume that.The link is how the EU recorded missing persons imo.
MM's abduction pre dates the full implementation of SIS11 and Sirene.
This is all to do with an old framework of reporting and the implementation of those systems imo, whilst the new system was in it's infancy.
It may be a good idea to search EU treaties, the implementation of SIS11 and how and where entries were recorded,before going off on a tangent and allowing this 'Dutch' mention to grow legs!
so we had DM, HB? the young German girl, the Italian woman who else ?The man testified at the trial of Christian Brueckner in December, stating he saw a film sequence on the video camera in which an older woman was bound and masked and whipped then raped.
'Then the man sat on the bed and pulled the mask off his face. Then I thought: That can't be. ' He recognised the house occupant.
I’m reading this different, I am reading the above quote as either HB or MS are saying that they viewed footage of the rape of DM, the man then sat on the bed & removed his mask....we know he dragged DM to the bedroom & that she was bound, masked & whipped. From media articles we were lead to believe the rape footage found on camera the victims were tied to the beam and in the photos we’ve seen with beam we haven’t seen a bed.
I’m quite sure I read the other day that HB said he hadn’t viewed footage of attack on DM.