Madeleine McCann: German prisoner identified as suspect - #22

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[Loobyloo]

From the nz herald, its the other girlfriend he was dating, still in Portugal


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Maddie McCann murder suspect's chilling message to girlfriend day before 3yo disappeared
10 Jun, 2020 03:00 AM3 minutes to read

"It's a horrible job but it's something I have to do and it will change my life. You won't be seeing me for a while."

NZ Herald

An ex-girlfriend of Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Bruckner has broken her silence, claiming he told her he had a nasty job to do the night before McCann disappeared.

The British woman is one of two British former girlfriends of the child sex offender who have now given evidence to police.

Bruckner's former partner claims her conversation with him the night before McCann disappeared didn't feel right, and opened up about the chilling conversation.

"I have a horrible job to do in Praia da Luz tomorrow," she claims he said.

It's a horrible job but it's something I have to do and it will change my life. You won't be seeing me for a while."

She also told how she asked him if he had snatched Madeleine McCann — and he warned: "Just don't go there."

The woman and another former partner of the now 43-year-old paedophile were both dating him while he was in the Praia da Luz area of Portugal.


"It's a horrible job but it's something I have to do and it will change my life. You won't be seeing me for a while."
Both live in fear of the paedophile and drug dealer who beat them up.

Three years after McCann's disappearance, the suspect's other former girlfriend said he was a dead ringer for some of the photofits of the Maddie suspects.

She jokingly asked him "You did it Christian, didn't you?"

A friend of his former partner claims "He blanked the question and shrugged — then added, 'Just don't go there'."

"It was said at a time when everyone had a theory about the Madeleine mystery and everyone had a story.

There's a bit more, I just can't copy the link, sorry, hope this is allowed

So who reported this conversation about a 'horrible job' - the former partner, or a friend of the former partner?
Also: when is he supposed to have been asked if he was responsible for MM's disappearance? The 'horrible job' conversation was the night before MM disappeared, after which he (supposedly) wouldn't be seeing his girlfriend for a while - yet she was (supposedly) able to question him afterwards about his involvement?
Something doesn't quite add up here. Not sure if it's sloppy reporting, or unreliable testimony from the girlfriend - or the girlfriend's friend.

 

[Sharkbite]

So who reported this conversation about a 'horrible job' - the former partner, or a friend of the former partner?
Also: when is he supposed to have been asked if he was responsible for MM's disappearance? The 'horrible job' conversation was the night before MM disappeared, after which he (supposedly) wouldn't be seeing his girlfriend for a while - yet she was (supposedly) able to question him afterwards about his involvement?
Something doesn't quite add up here. Not sure if it's sloppy reporting, or unreliable testimony from the girlfriend - or the girlfriend's friend.

This article explains:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...Brueckner-suspect-rape-Irish-holiday-rep.html

A friend of Christian Brueckner's two British ex girlfriends revealed he went off the radar following Maddie's disappearance in May 2007.

A day before the three-year-old vanished, the convicted German drug dealer told one of the women he had 'a job to do in Praia da Luz tomorrow'.

'It's a horrible job but it's something I have to do and it will change my life. You won't be seeing me for a while,' according to The Sun.

Three years later his other British ex joked that Brueckner looked like some of the photofits in the search for Maddie's abductor and asked him if he took her.

A friend of both women, who have each been interviewed by police but are not suspected of being involved in Maddie's disappearance, said: 'He blanked the question and shrugged — then added, 'Just don't go there'.'

The anonymous friend, originally from North Yorkshire but now living in Lagos, Portugal, said people dismissed the flippant comments, adding that both of his exes were beaten by Brueckner when they dated him.

He claims to have met Brueckner when he worked at expat bar The Tavern in the Portuguese town.

He added: 'What he said at that dinner suggests he could of planned the whole thing very carefully and that he might even have stolen Madeleine to order.'

 

[Lilly b]

This article explains:
Police have ruled out Christian Brueckner as suspect in rape of Irish holiday rep | Daily Mail Online

A friend of Christian Brueckner's two British ex girlfriends revealed he went off the radar following Maddie's disappearance in May 2007.

A day before the three-year-old vanished, the convicted German drug dealer told one of the women he had 'a job to do in Praia da Luz tomorrow'.

'It's a horrible job but it's something I have to do and it will change my life. You won't be seeing me for a while,' according to The Sun.

Three years later his other British ex joked that Brueckner looked like some of the photofits in the search for Maddie's abductor and asked him if he took her.

A friend of both women, who have each been interviewed by police but are not suspected of being involved in Maddie's disappearance, said: 'He blanked the question and shrugged — then added, 'Just don't go there'.'

The anonymous friend, originally from North Yorkshire but now living in Lagos, Portugal, said people dismissed the flippant comments, adding that both of his exes were beaten by Brueckner when they dated him.

He claims to have met Brueckner when he worked at expat bar The Tavern in the Portuguese town.

He added: 'What he said at that dinner suggests he could of planned the whole thing very carefully and that he might even have stolen Madeleine to order.'

Thanks for that clarification

 

[Ardoch]

Happy New Year from me too and I echo the words already said about hoping this year will bring results and a level of comfort for the family.
Also, thanks for all the great input and for making it a respectful place to be.

 

[Sharkbite]

Thanks for that clarification

Just to note The Tavern bar is not the same as Taberna de Lagos restaurant where it is also known that CB worked.
The Tavern is next door to 'Metro' bar where it is said that CB beat his girlfriend, the police were called but no action was taken against CB because his GF was too scared to press charges.
Reports state that patrons from a neighboring bar to Metro Bar had to help pull CB off his GF.

 

[Lilly b]

Dm

 

[mrjitty]

This article explains:
Police have ruled out Christian Brueckner as suspect in rape of Irish holiday rep | Daily Mail Online

A friend of Christian Brueckner's two British ex girlfriends revealed he went off the radar following Maddie's disappearance in May 2007.

A day before the three-year-old vanished, the convicted German drug dealer told one of the women he had 'a job to do in Praia da Luz tomorrow'.

'It's a horrible job but it's something I have to do and it will change my life. You won't be seeing me for a while,' according to The Sun.

Three years later his other British ex joked that Brueckner looked like some of the photofits in the search for Maddie's abductor and asked him if he took her.

A friend of both women, who have each been interviewed by police but are not suspected of being involved in Maddie's disappearance, said: 'He blanked the question and shrugged — then added, 'Just don't go there'.'

The anonymous friend, originally from North Yorkshire but now living in Lagos, Portugal, said people dismissed the flippant comments, adding that both of his exes were beaten by Brueckner when they dated him.

He claims to have met Brueckner when he worked at expat bar The Tavern in the Portuguese town.

He added: 'What he said at that dinner suggests he could of planned the whole thing very carefully and that he might even have stolen Madeleine to order.'

It seems odd this apparent key witness would put their evidence in the media

 

[Lilly b]

Seems to have had lots of girlfriends, bet the police have some fascinating info

 

[Dlk79]

It seems odd this apparent key witness would put their evidence in the media

That's one of the frustrating things in this. The witnesses who are allowed to talk to the Press influence opinion, yet the fact what they have to say isn't deemed important enough to be kept secret for the trial should raise an eyebrow and therefore treated with some scepticism. It's the ones who are key witnesses, and have said they cannot comment, who we can learn most from about this case.

 

[Lilly b]

That's one of the frustrating things in this. The winesses who are allowed to talk to the Press influence opinion, yet the fact what they have to say isn't deemed important enough to be kept secret for the trial should raise an eyebrow and be treated with some scepticism. It's the ones who are key witnesses, and have said they cannot comment who we can learn most from about this case.

Yes, think the ones with ex girlfriends are more to give details of his character etc, one of the women, didn't give her name, but she has a picture, sunglasses on though, one was called carole, this is no secret it's in a few on the press stories, easy to find, I'm struggling with doing links at present

 

[Ardoch]

That's one of the frustrating things in this. The witnesses who are allowed to talk to the Press influence opinion, yet the fact what they have to say isn't deemed important enough to be kept secret for the trial should raise an eyebrow and therefore treated with some scepticism. It's the ones who are key witnesses, and have said they cannot comment, who we can learn most from about this case.

BBM

That's true
The thing too with ex girlfriends as witnesses, is that sometimes there can be a lot of emotion at play.

 

[Chiatos]

Happy 2021 everyone! Hopefully this will be a better year than last year!

 

[Chiatos]

Again, where has HCW ever said this?

He has. I'll look it up.

Please link it then, I'll think you'll find he hasn't.

I have found a link: Maddie McCann: Missbrauchte Verdächtiger Christian B. vier Kinder in Portugal? Hinweise aufgetaucht | Welt

Maddie McCann: Staatsanwalt Wolters verteidigt seine Aussage
Wolters wollte die Anschuldigungen nicht auf sich sitzen lassen. Er konterte: „Ich habe deshalb gesagt, dass ich glaube, dass sie tot ist, weil in solchen Fällen die Kinder in der Regel entführt, sexuell missbraucht und getötet werden.“

HCW explains his statement (of early June) :
"I said that I believe that she (MM) is dead, because in such cases, children are usually abducted, sexually abused and killed".

-> HCW compares CB to other cases in which children are being snatched / abducted, then sexually abused and then killed.
Here he explicitly mentions the word entführt, abducted.

He did not mention the word sadistic (that is my wording), but it's quite implicit that anyone who does those things to young innocent children is vile, evil and sadistic.

Edit: I can't wait for CB to be questioned!

 

[mrjitty]

That's one of the frustrating things in this. The witnesses who are allowed to talk to the Press influence opinion, yet the fact what they have to say isn't deemed important enough to be kept secret for the trial should raise an eyebrow and therefore treated with some scepticism. It's the ones who are key witnesses, and have said they cannot comment, who we can learn most from about this case.

Yeah - i attach no importance to that stuff.

 

[Dlk79]

I have found a link: Maddie McCann: Missbrauchte Verdächtiger Christian B. vier Kinder in Portugal? Hinweise aufgetaucht | Welt

Maddie McCann: Staatsanwalt Wolters verteidigt seine Aussage
Wolters wollte die Anschuldigungen nicht auf sich sitzen lassen. Er konterte: „Ich habe deshalb gesagt, dass ich glaube, dass sie tot ist, weil in solchen Fällen die Kinder in der Regel entführt, sexuell missbraucht und getötet werden.“

HCW explains his statement (of early June) :
"I said that I believe that she (MM) is dead, because in such cases, children are usually abducted, sexually abused and killed".

-> HCW compares CB to other cases in which children are being snatched / abducted, then sexually abused and then killed.
Here he explicitly mentions the word entführt, abducted.

He did not mention the word sadistic (that is my wording), but it's quite implicit that anyone who does those things to young innocent children is vile, evil and sadistic.

Edit: I can't wait for CB to be questioned!

Fair point, but he doesn't actually say that's what happened to MM. This comment is in reponse to critcism of how he asserted MM to be dead without giving any proof. To be honest, I have no faith that this comment is even truthful. Does anyone really believe HCW is asserting CB's guilt of MM's murder purely because, "that's what normally happens in cases like this"? BS.

But yes, it is an interesting quote, and one which 'might' give a clue, so thanks for highlighting it. It's the only time I've heard him mention that word, so at least we know he does know how to use it. Just baffles me why, in all the interviews and paper quotes, he never outright says MM was abducted by CB.

 

[Monic]

Let's talk about the dogs, it is possible for a dog to pick up on scent after 3 months.
It is important whether the dog has been practiced on freshly deceased persons.
Don't forget that after the Mccanns, the apartment was just let on, and it is possible that someone else applied corpse scent.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

In a message posted on the Official Find Madeleine Campaign website, Kate and Gerry McCann said their thoughts and prayers are with everyone who has suffered during 2020.

The statement, which also thanks well-wishers, reads: "Goodbye 2020. What a year! One we don't want to remember but will find it hard to forget.


"There's no doubt that 2020 has been tough for most people, and often distressing, with so much loss, worry and isolation.

"Despite losing a parent each, we are aware we have been more fortunate than many, with our family unit at home and jobs to go to."
Madeleine McCann parents tell of ‘hope and determination’ to find her

 

[Ardoch]

In a message posted on the Official Find Madeleine Campaign website, Kate and Gerry McCann said their thoughts and prayers are with everyone who has suffered during 2020.

The statement, which also thanks well-wishers, reads: "Goodbye 2020. What a year! One we don't want to remember but will find it hard to forget.


"There's no doubt that 2020 has been tough for most people, and often distressing, with so much loss, worry and isolation.

"Despite losing a parent each, we are aware we have been more fortunate than many, with our family unit at home and jobs to go to."
Madeleine McCann parents tell of ‘hope and determination’ to find her

Thanks for posting.
Two people gone without knowing what happened to their granddaughter.

 

[mrjitty]

In a message posted on the Official Find Madeleine Campaign website, Kate and Gerry McCann said their thoughts and prayers are with everyone who has suffered during 2020.

The statement, which also thanks well-wishers, reads: "Goodbye 2020. What a year! One we don't want to remember but will find it hard to forget.


"There's no doubt that 2020 has been tough for most people, and often distressing, with so much loss, worry and isolation.

"Despite losing a parent each, we are aware we have been more fortunate than many, with our family unit at home and jobs to go to."
Madeleine McCann parents tell of ‘hope and determination’ to find her

Strange there is no reference at all to the german developments

One doesn't get the feeling of any alignment at all