Madeleine McCann: German prisoner identified as suspect #29

[mrjitty]

Yes jitty, crook fits it on a "first" impression. No doubt!

Otherwise nope jitty, i do not agree with the "small time" argument. We are discussing a highly dangerous profile IMO. No joke!

Two faced lad, that's for sure!

Plenty of small time losers do murders, and are dangerous.

 

[Dlk79]

I messaged MWT on Twitter & asked him if he’d shared what he ‘uncovered’. He replied saying he always shares what he finds with detectives & then he waffled a bit about the prosecution having a different agenda.

Knowing that he’s shared this so called ‘alibi’ with the authorities & their investigations have not changed, is IMO a clear sign that they aren’t credible. All they seem to be are buzzwords that promote the documentary

I agree. I have a (very cynical) theory of how this 'alibi' may have come about but won't share my thoughts on that for now. But whatever the case, I expect it to be far from 'solid'.

I do wonder though whether CB and FF may have shot themselves in the foot with this approach. After filming his doc in Portugal throughout last year, MWT then filmed a segment in Braunschweig on September 18th. Most likely, in order to meet with HCW for his interview and share his findings about CB's alibi. The following month then, HCW announces that they do "now" have enough to charge CB in the MM case.

Could be a coincidence of course, but the continual delays to the MWT doc and tight-lipped stance about it all, is quite suspicious. It does feel like there has possibly been some kind of legal issues involved IMO.

Maybe MWT did bring something important to help the BKA's case and didn't even really realise it. Perhaps the BKA can prove the story CB has given is a lie. Will be interesting to see if it tallies with what he said when questioned back in 2013. HCW commented a while back that he didn't want to reveal what they had on CB in case he "tried to change his story"... Now that CB has committed to an official "story", who knows, it could be that HCW's tactics paid off and it leads to CB's undoing.

 

[misty48]

Just to be clear here - I think there is a 3rd camp which is my camp

HCW's public appeal was made with judicial oversight from a German Court. So it is clear he has some strong evidence, but we can say it was evidence less than charging level.

Nearly 2 years later, I find it difficult to believe that any prosecutor would move ahead on lesser investigations/charges, in preference to his murder case, if he had a case strong enough to go to trial.

I also don't really understand how waiting maybe another year or more to bring charges will be making the case stronger, unless somehow there is a massive amount of technical evidence to process. Which seems highly unlikely for an abduction case back in 07 when HCW says there is no new forensics.

So my camp is this case remains too weak to go to trial. My guess (only) is that they really want the body. The usual reason to wait in a no body case is to find the body. Seems obvious, and without need to conjure up complicated reasons.

In respect of the lesser charges, CB was never under investigation or made an arguido in any of those crimes. The Statute of Limitations for those crimes has now expired in Portugal.
Had he been charged in Portugal after the 2017 playground exposure incident then the execution of the outstanding EAW at the time would have been delayed. BKA would also not be able to now charge him with that crime. IMO there will be legal issues now CB has been made an arguido in Madeleine's case in Portugal, meaning he is an official suspect before their criminal court. Italy executed the last EAW & it is to that country both Portugal & Germany will have to appeal for the right to prosecute CB should either have sufficient grounds to do so.

 

[Dlk79]

In respect of the lesser charges, CB was never under investigation or made an arguido in any of those crimes. The Statute of Limitations for those crimes has now expired in Portugal.
Had he been charged in Portugal after the 2017 playground exposure incident then the execution of the outstanding EAW at the time would have been delayed. BKA would also not be able to now charge him with that crime. IMO there will be legal issues now CB has been made an arguido in Madeleine's case in Portugal, meaning he is an official suspect before their criminal court. Italy executed the last EAW & it is to that country both Portugal & Germany will have to appeal for the right to prosecute CB should either have sufficient grounds to do so.

Germany will need permission from Italy should they want to file any additional charges against CB before he is released from his current sentence. It is the same scenario as what happened with the DM rape. Italy only agreed to extradite him for the drug charge initially. When Germany then wanted to charge him with the DM rape, that warrant had to be amended to include the charge and re-agreed by Italy - the state that last surrendered him.

Should Portugal wish to extradite CB to face charges in the MM case, they would need permission from Germany (and then in turn, Italy), since he is currently incarcerated for a custodial sentence there. The Germans aren’t going to agree to that if they want to charge him themselves. The only scenario where I could see them doing anything like that is if they made an agreement like they did with France and Martin Ney last year. They allowed him to be transferred from his German prison to a prison in Nantes for a limited time so that the French authorities could investigate him for the Jonathan Coulom murder.

I wonder if CB would fancy that for a little holiday in the Algarve?

 

[Anxala]

Just to be clear here - I think there is a 3rd camp which is my camp

HCW's public appeal was made with judicial oversight from a German Court. So it is clear he has some strong evidence, but we can say it was evidence less than charging level.

Nearly 2 years later, I find it difficult to believe that any prosecutor would move ahead on lesser investigations/charges, in preference to his murder case, if he had a case strong enough to go to trial.

I also don't really understand how waiting maybe another year or more to bring charges will be making the case stronger, unless somehow there is a massive amount of technical evidence to process. Which seems highly unlikely for an abduction case back in 07 when HCW says there is no new forensics.

So my camp is this case remains too weak to go to trial. My guess (only) is that they really want the body. The usual reason to wait in a no body case is to find the body. Seems obvious, and without need to conjure up complicated reasons.

I'm in your 'grey' camp. There's no black and white here and this 'two sides' business is both reductive and unproductive.

They're never going to get a body though imo. I just can't see that happening.

 

[onemoremiletogo]

I agree. I have a (very cynical) theory of how this 'alibi' may have come about but won't share my thoughts on that for now. But whatever the case, I expect it to be far from 'solid'.

I do wonder though whether CB and FF may have shot themselves in the foot with this approach. After filming his doc in Portugal throughout last year, MWT then filmed a segment in Braunschweig on September 18th. Most likely, in order to meet with HCW for his interview and share his findings about CB's alibi. The following month then, HCW announces that they do "now" have enough to charge CB in the MM case.

Could be a coincidence of course, but the continual delays to the MWT doc and tight-lipped stance about it all, is quite suspicious. It does feel like there has possibly been some kind of legal issues involved IMO.

Maybe MWT did bring something important to help the BKA's case and didn't even really realise it. Perhaps the BKA can prove the story CB has given is a lie. Will be interesting to see if it tallies with what he said when questioned back in 2013. HCW commented a while back that he didn't want to reveal what they had on CB in case he "tried to change his story"... Now that CB has committed to an official "story", who knows, it could be that HCW's tactics paid off and it leads to CB's undoing.

I agree. I have a (very cynical) theory of how this 'alibi' may have come about but won't share my thoughts on that for now. But whatever the case, I expect it to be far from 'solid'.

I do wonder though whether CB and FF may have shot themselves in the foot with this approach. After filming his doc in Portugal throughout last year, MWT then filmed a segment in Braunschweig on September 18th. Most likely, in order to meet with HCW for his interview and share his findings about CB's alibi. The following month then, HCW announces that they do "now" have enough to charge CB in the MM case.

Could be a coincidence of course, but the continual delays to the MWT doc and tight-lipped stance about it all, is quite suspicious. It does feel like there has possibly been some kind of legal issues involved IMO.

Maybe MWT did bring something important to help the BKA's case and didn't even really realise it. Perhaps the BKA can prove the story CB has given is a lie. Will be interesting to see if it tallies with what he said when questioned back in 2013. HCW commented a while back that he didn't want to reveal what they had on CB in case he "tried to change his story"... Now that CB has committed to an official "story", who knows, it could be that HCW's tactics paid off and it leads to CB's undoing.

My feelings too. Just not sure if already enough to charge.

 

[C.greek]

I'm in your 'grey' camp. There's no black and white here and this 'two sides' business is both reductive and unproductive.

They're never going to get a body though imo. I just can't see that happening.

I agree with your view they are never gonna get a body - and even if they do, it will be very very difficult to be certain about the cause of death let alone find any useful DNA - it's been 15 years... i don't think the BKA are waiting for the body. I think they are wanting to gather more circumstantial evidence to strengthen their case

 

[frank-cole]

Of course - how else would he promote his docu? Explosive but not so explosive that the prosecution takes it on board - means they have a different agenda... what agenda does MWT really have then I wonder? An audience for his docu ready to maintain the guilt of others rather than CB... what is the reason for re-editing as it appears the 3rd part? It was the alibi in that one...

Agree. He’s always after a sound bite or buzzwords to promote his stuff. He has a pattern of being controversial, I think he tries to come at things from a different angle to separate his work from the majority. But doing so he hopes to collect an audience. I’ve recently finished listening to the MMU documentary with Jon Clarke. I fully agree with Jon because his work has followed the what they investigations are looking in to. I think that podcast is very good. I was angry when Saunokonoko ran a shady podcast episode to try & muddy the waters during this active murder investigation. What MWT is doing is now different, but sadly that’s unsurprising because that’s what MWT does

 

[frank-cole]

I agree with your view they are never gonna get a body - and even if they do, it will be very very difficult to be certain about the cause of death let alone find any useful DNA - it's been 15 years... i don't think the BKA are waiting for the body. I think they are wanting to gather more circumstantial evidence to strengthen their case

I think they are being very systematic. They want to fjni

I agree. I have a (very cynical) theory of how this 'alibi' may have come about but won't share my thoughts on that for now. But whatever the case, I expect it to be far from 'solid'.

I do wonder though whether CB and FF may have shot themselves in the foot with this approach. After filming his doc in Portugal throughout last year, MWT then filmed a segment in Braunschweig on September 18th. Most likely, in order to meet with HCW for his interview and share his findings about CB's alibi. The following month then, HCW announces that they do "now" have enough to charge CB in the MM case.

Could be a coincidence of course, but the continual delays to the MWT doc and tight-lipped stance about it all, is quite suspicious. It does feel like there has possibly been some kind of legal issues involved IMO.

Maybe MWT did bring something important to help the BKA's case and didn't even really realise it. Perhaps the BKA can prove the story CB has given is a lie. Will be interesting to see if it tallies with what he said when questioned back in 2013. HCW commented a while back that he didn't want to reveal what they had on CB in case he "tried to change his story"... Now that CB has committed to an official "story", who knows, it could be that HCW's tactics paid off and it leads to CB's undoing.

I think the more the CB engages the more opportunities the BKA have to catch him a lie. He’s likely already done that with some of his self-serving nonsense. I also think these ‘witnesses’ coming forward also helps paint the picture of CB.

IMO Portugal officially making CB a suspect is the worst case scenario for CB. I fully expect that he’ll be convicted in Germany. If the unlikely happens & he isn’t, then I’m sure the Portuguese would make the arrest

 

[snowpea666]

Whose cat?

maybe the same cat that that CB said he was petting that then carried his hair into his rape victims house

 

[snowpea666]

Plot twist!

Does anybody believes in all these NF/DF stories?

Just think about! Good night!

Not a hope that I do

 

[Loobyloo]

So did MWT not share his 'explosive' findings with German LE after all, or was what he shared immediately dismissed as nonsense? Hard to tell from the latest Sun 'exclusive' tonight!

Wolters — who has pleaded for Christian B’s version of events since June 2020 — said: “We’re not aware of any alibi at all.

“He has not given any information so far — not even via his defence attorney.”​

Archived link: archive.ph

 

[mrjitty]

I'm in your 'grey' camp. There's no black and white here and this 'two sides' business is both reductive and unproductive.

They're never going to get a body though imo. I just can't see that happening.

I think they believed their appeal might lead them to it.

 

[mrjitty]

Agree. He’s always after a sound bite or buzzwords to promote his stuff. He has a pattern of being controversial, I think he tries to come at things from a different angle to separate his work from the majority. But doing so he hopes to collect an audience. I’ve recently finished listening to the MMU documentary with Jon Clarke. I fully agree with Jon because his work has followed the what they investigations are looking in to. I think that podcast is very good. I was angry when Saunokonoko ran a shady podcast episode to try & muddy the waters during this active murder investigation. What MWT is doing is now different, but sadly that’s unsurprising because that’s what MWT does

The thing about these documentaries, podcasts, books etc is you tend to have to follow one of the traditional crime tropes if you want to get any cut through.

This is why his Pistorius stuff played the "innocent man" trope, whilst heavily hinting that he might actually be guilty. It's that tension which creates the drama for the audience. Are you sitting with a tragic man or a cold hearted killer? Knox stuff plays the same trope.

I am guessing his CB stuff is a similar contrarian direction, though with a much less sympathetic killer.

 

[Dlk79]

So did MWT not share his 'explosive' findings with German LE after all, or was what he shared immediately dismissed as nonsense? Hard to tell from the latest Sun 'exclusive' tonight!

Wolters — who has pleaded for Christian B’s version of events since June 2020 — said: “We’re not aware of any alibi at all.

“He has not given any information so far — not even via his defence attorney.”​

Archived link: archive.ph

I think it's just a re-hash of what HCW said back in January (link below). The authorities are well aware of what CB has claimed to MWT and HCW's comments are just a bit tongue-in-cheek IMO. He's mocking the fact they claim to have this alibi but have made no effort to put it on the police record.


https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/prosecutors-reject-claims-madeleine-mccann-25905370

Prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters said: “If I had an alibi and was accused of this, I would say it. But I have heard no such claims from Brueckner or his lawyer.”

Last year a friend of Brueckner gave him a possible alibi but later told a German paper she could not recall if she was him the night Madeleine vanished.

 

[SuperdadV8]

The clairvoyant is back?

Psychic claims Madeleine McCann is buried 13 miles from where she disappeared

 

[frank-cole]

So did MWT not share his 'explosive' findings with German LE after all, or was what he shared immediately dismissed as nonsense? Hard to tell from the latest Sun 'exclusive' tonight!

Wolters — who has pleaded for Christian B’s version of events since June 2020 — said: “We’re not aware of any alibi at all.

“He has not given any information so far — not even via his defence attorney.”​

Archived link: archive.ph

I messaged MWT on twitter & asked him specifically if he’d shared what they ‘uncovered’ . He replied saying he always shares everything with law enforcement. So IMO this ‘alibi’ is about as credible as CB’s cat smoothing defence

 

[RichardKimble]

Do murder cases generally get played out in the media, more pertinently the BKA haven't produced their case to CB so in effect he's not a defendant (maybe in Portugal )and isn't required to say anything.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/prosecutors-reject-claims-madeleine-mccann-25905370

Prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters said: “If I had an alibi and was accused of this, I would say it. But I have heard no such claims from Brueckner or his lawyer.”

 

[RichardKimble]

Once May 3rd has gone it'll settle down again imo.

 

[Dlk79]

I also don't really understand how waiting maybe another year or more to bring charges will be making the case stronger, unless somehow there is a massive amount of technical evidence to process. Which seems highly unlikely for an abduction case back in 07 when HCW says there is no new forensics.

So my camp is this case remains too weak to go to trial. My guess (only) is that they really want the body.

RSBM

I don't know whether you listened to Jon Clarke’s recent podcast but he made an interesting point about the possible motive for pursuing the other charges first.

He mentioned that the HB rape would classify as a category one offence, and that due to his offending history, if he were found guilty of that one, he would most likely receive a preventetive detention order on the basis of posing a serious danger to the public. It would then mean that the chances of him ever being released from prison would be very low. "If" that were to happen, and if CB "was" involved in MM's disappearance, might he then be prepared to confess to it?

In the letters CB wrote to Jutta Rabe, he claims the police have already spoken to him in prison and effectively offered him a deal. Basically that if he told them everything (including what happened to MM's body), they would place him in this special prison for high profile offenders where he would be protected and receive a higher standard of care.

I'm not necessarily saying I concur with that theory, but I can certainly see the logic behind it. At the moment, CB's motivation is to get released from prison as soon as possible. If the option of ever being released is all but removed from him, what is his motivation then? To lead as cushy a prison life as he possibly can? To revel in the notoriety of being one of world's most famous villains?

I agree that obtaining the body is top priority for the investigators in any murder case. So if CB made a full confession and could also lead them to the remains, that would be the ideal scenario for all concerned IMO.


There is also another reason why getting a conviction in the HB rape might assist their evidence in the MM case which I've mentioned before - The autobiographical books the BKA allegedly uncovered. "If" the books do exist, and CB really has documented the sinister crimes he carried out, then you'd think it likely these cases will be mentioned in there if he was indeed involved in them - The HB rape in 2004, DM in 2005 and MM in 2007.

Along with the 3 sex crimes in Portugal, HCW recently commented they are still hoping they might be able to prosecute CB for the two rapes that were seen on video by the people who robbed his house. This despite the fact the victims have not come forward, they have no forensic evidence and no report of the crime. Again, might the reason be due to the fact these rapes are also detailed in the books and they match up with what MS and HB described seeing on tape? Do they perhaps plan to add these 2 charges when they push ahead with the Portugal ones as they have a common connection with the written accounts?