Madeleine McCann: German Prisoner Identified as Suspect #31

[Knitty]

ADMIN NOTE:

This post lands at random.

As previously posted, this thread is dedicated specifically to discussion of the German prisoner CB who has been identified as a suspect in this case. Any hint, insinuation, discussion of the McCann's having involvement in Madeleine's disappearance is off limits in this thread and others.

Carrying forward this recent reminder . . .

 

[SuperdadV8]

Intersting definition of "random".....

At the end of the month, we'll know more
...

 

[Denis R Tandib]

Intersting definition of "random".....

At the end of the month, we'll know more
...

Hope you mean Sept 2022

 

[RichardKimble]

Worth a reminder of quotes by Wolters regarding charges in Oct 21, then nigh on 12 months on he has doubts ?

Speaking exclusively to the Mirror, German prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters said: “It is now possible that we could charge. We have that evidence now.

“But it’s not just about charging him – we want to charge him with the best body of evidence possible.

“When we still have questions, it would be nonsense to charge rather than wait for the answers that could strengthen our position.

“That’s why we said we’ll investigate as long as there are leads or information for us to pursue. I’m not saying that what we have is insufficient now. But he’s in prison, so we don’t have this pressure on us. We have time on our hands.”

Prosecutor '100% convinced' suspect abducted and murdered Madeleine McCann

Madeleine McCann prosecutors say they have no body and no DNA but other evidence leads to only one conclusion - jailed rapist Christian Brueckner is guilty and could be charged next year

www.mirror.co.uk

 

[RichardKimble]

At the end of the month, we'll know more
...

I'm wondering if they are waiting on some kind of evidence that will either strengthen the case or completely alter it, and it should be available in 2 or 3 weeks.

 

[Davieson]

Perhaps they are waiting for a decision on whether the prosecution case will be accepted by the court. Not the MM one obviously.

 

[RichardKimble]

Perhaps they are waiting for a decision on whether the prosecution case will be accepted by the court. Not the MM one obviously.

Yes, but even taking that into account he said.

“The investigation into Maddie is still ongoing. A conclusion is not in sight.

“I really can’t say how long the investigation will take. It is also not certain whether an indictment can be made in the end.”

 

[enquirer6]

Worth a reminder of quotes by Wolters regarding charges in Oct 21, then nigh on 12 months on he has doubts ?

Speaking exclusively to the Mirror, German prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters said: “It is now possible that we could charge. We have that evidence now.

“But it’s not just about charging him – we want to charge him with the best body of evidence possible.

“When we still have questions, it would be nonsense to charge rather than wait for the answers that could strengthen our position.

“That’s why we said we’ll investigate as long as there are leads or information for us to pursue. I’m not saying that what we have is insufficient now. But he’s in prison, so we don’t have this pressure on us. We have time on our hands.”

Prosecutor '100% convinced' suspect abducted and murdered Madeleine McCann

Madeleine McCann prosecutors say they have no body and no DNA but other evidence leads to only one conclusion - jailed rapist Christian Brueckner is guilty and could be charged next year

www.mirror.co.uk

If, indeed, the case against Brueckner collapses, then emphasising the fact that the whole bases of the 'case' against the McCanns rested on the 'work' of a corrupt, incompetent and freelance English dog-handler on the make never became more important, and something the (otherwise) impressive Portuguese prosecutors seem to have missed.

 

[mrjitty]

I agree broadly with your post @#124. Are you surprised by this update? I'm not.

RSBM - i saw this thread under new posts and wondered if anything had happened ...

Then i see it is HCW announcing yet again, his 5 future indictments he already announced in spring

And he will let us know by the end of the month.

Why not just indict when ready? As usual i don't get the running commentary over many months about indictments that haven't happened yet.

 

[RichardKimble]

RSBM - i saw this thread under new posts and wondered if anything had happened ...

Then i see it is HCW announcing yet again, his 5 future indictments he already announced in spring

And he will let us know by the end of the month.

Why not just indict when ready? As usual i don't get the running commentary over many months about indictments that haven't happened yet.

In terms of the Madeleine investigation, in reality there as been nothing since June 2020.

 

[enquirer6]

b

If memory serves me correctly, GA went public before the appeal stating that a German paedo would be in the firing line for the MM case but he wasn’t the guy… obviously as he is convinced the parents did it.

But he screwed up in accusing Kate and Gerry and took a pot guess that the German would not be convicted for the crime.

Sometimes pot-guesses turn out lucky.

 

[Davieson]

b

But he screwed up in accusing Kate and Gerry and took a pot guess that the German would not be convicted for the crime.

Sometimes pot-guesses turn out lucky.

Or astute. Maybe he knows more than you give him credit for.

 

[Anxala]

RSBM - i saw this thread under new posts and wondered if anything had happened ...

Then i see it is HCW announcing yet again, his 5 future indictments he already announced in spring

And he will let us know by the end of the month.

Why not just indict when ready? As usual i don't get the running commentary over many months about indictments that haven't happened yet.

I don't either. He must be feeling under pressure to deliver, even if it's only updates about updates.

I suspect the end of Sept will bring little more than new updates about these most recent updates.

As someone who's only ever been interested in the MM case - the subject of these 31 threads - it's genuinely disconcerting (to say the very least) that the primary investigation, 26 months on, is looking so weak. How in the world has 'we are 100% sure and in a position to charge but in no rush in order to make the best possible case' turn into 'I really can’t say how long the investigation will take. It is also not certain whether an indictment can be made in the end' ?

 

[enquirer6]

I don't either. He must be feeling under pressure to deliver, even if it's only updates about updates.

I suspect the end of Sept will bring little more than new updates about these most recent updates.

As someone who's only ever been interested in the MM case - the subject of these 31 threads - it's genuinely disconcerting (to say the very least) that the primary investigation, 26 months on, is looking so weak. How in the world has 'we are 100% sure and in a position to charge but in no rush in order to make the best possible case' turn into 'I really can’t say how long the investigation will take. It is also not certain whether an indictment can be made in the end' ?

You need to go back to the very beginning when the PJ who, yes, put in a lot of (genuinely) excellent work, also made quite serious mistakes, particularly in sealing off a crime scene. Vital clues may have been lost stemming from those mistakes.

We can, certainly, that Brueckner exactly fits the profile of someone capable of whatever befell Madeleine.

 

[Davieson]

You need to go back to the very beginning when the PJ who, yes, put in a lot of (genuinely) excellent work, also made quite serious mistakes, particularly in sealing off a crime scene. Vital clues may have been lost stemming from those mistakes.

We can, certainly, that Brueckner exactly fits the profile of someone capable of whatever befell Madeleine.

Was Brueckner identified as a suspect before or after the profile was drawn up ?
Why should the Germans draw up a profile before they knew a German national might be involved ?

 

[enquirer6]

Was Brueckner identified as a suspect before or after the profile was drawn up ?
Why should the Germans draw up a profile before they knew a German national might be involved ?

I think Andy Redwood said, without naming anyone, that one scenario being investigated was a 'burglary gone wrong'.

Brueckner exactly fits the profile of that scenario.

I believe it was PJ Inspector Joao Carlos who ruled out 'woke and wandered'.

This report is from 2014

Madeleine McCann police seek intruder who attacked girls at holiday homes

Detectives investigating girl's disappearance look for dark-haired man who sexually abused five girls in Algarve

www.theguardian.com

 

[Davieson]

I think Andy Redwood said, without naming anyone, that one scenario being investigated was a 'burglary gone wrong'.

Brueckner exactly fits the profile of that scenario.

I believe it was PJ Inspector Joao Carlos who ruled out 'woke and wandered'.

This report is from 2014

Madeleine McCann police seek intruder who attacked girls at holiday homes

Detectives investigating girl's disappearance look for dark-haired man who sexually abused five girls in Algarve

www.theguardian.com

One criteria. Hardly a profile.

 

[enquirer6]

One criteria. Hardly a profile.

Brueckner, before he was jailed, pretty much made his 'living' from breaking into properties and stealing, and was also a prolific paedophile. That's a profile. It precisely defines his character and way of living. Also germane to the crime under investigation.

From Joao Carlos' final report for the PJ:

As a remote hypothesis, the possibility of the minor leaving the apartment by her own means was explored – that would be highly unlikely physically – and after, because of an accident or by a third person intervention, she would have disappeared.

 

[enquirer6]

Or astute. Maybe he knows more than you give him credit for.

The only thing I give Amaral (genuine) credit for is rejecting before May 3rd.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

You need to go back to the very beginning when the PJ who, yes, put in a lot of (genuinely) excellent work, also made quite serious mistakes, particularly in sealing off a crime scene. Vital clues may have been lost stemming from those mistakes.

We can, certainly, that Brueckner exactly fits the profile of someone capable of whatever befell Madeleine.

Fitting the profile doesn’t mean he did it. There are other things putting him in the frame but clearly not enough to charge him.

It’s part of the issue with what has gone on with CB, it seems so right… but it might not be.