Madeleine McCann: German Prisoner Identified as Suspect #31

[enquirer6]

Fitting the profile doesn’t mean he did it. There are other things putting him in the frame but clearly not enough to charge him.

It’s part of the issue with what has gone on with CB, it seems so right… but it might not be.

That's a fair point.

It is worrying that Wolters has gone full-circle from saying earlier that he believes he has, already, enough evidence to charge but wants to consolidate his position to (now) saying he may come to a conclusion without pressing charges.

 

[RichardKimble]

Was Brueckner identified as a suspect before or after the profile was drawn up ?
Why should the Germans draw up a profile before they knew a German national might be involved ?

CB wasn't picked up by the investigation his name was given to the investigation, so if there is a profile CB didn't fit it .2013 CB came under the BKA radar its said, he obviously never fitted any profile then. Given its not been established what actual crime as been committed its hard a put a profile on it imo.

 

[Davieson]

Its never been clear to me why the German authorities got involved in this.
Is it routine procedure for them to investigate/prosecute their own nationals for crimes committed outside of Germany ?

 

[RichardKimble]

Its never been clear to me why the German authorities got involved in this.
Is it routine procedure for them to investigate/prosecute their own nationals for crimes committed outside of Germany ?

We have the offences against the person act that allows for a subject of her maj commiting murder or manslaughter abroad may be tried here in the uk, perhaps they have similar.

 

[Davieson]

We have the offences against the person act that allows for a subject of her maj commiting murder or manslaughter abroad may be tried here in the uk, perhaps they have similar.

I did wonder about something like that, though it must be a wider range of crimes in Germany if that is the case ie to include rape & child abuse.

 

[mrjitty]

I don't either. He must be feeling under pressure to deliver, even if it's only updates about updates.

I suspect the end of Sept will bring little more than new updates about these most recent updates.

As someone who's only ever been interested in the MM case - the subject of these 31 threads - it's genuinely disconcerting (to say the very least) that the primary investigation, 26 months on, is looking so weak. How in the world has 'we are 100% sure and in a position to charge but in no rush in order to make the best possible case' turn into 'I really can’t say how long the investigation will take. It is also not certain whether an indictment can be made in the end' ?

Yes I really don't understand how that happens.

I've said from the start they risked getting egg on their face with this case.

 

[mrjitty]

Brueckner, before he was jailed, pretty much made his 'living' from breaking into properties and stealing, and was also a prolific paedophile. That's a profile. It precisely defines his character and way of living. Also germane to the crime under investigation.

RSBM

Do we actually know for certain about breaking into the holiday apartments, including OC?

I know it's been reported - a lot of what we 'know' is based on dubious associates

 

[mrjitty]

Its never been clear to me why the German authorities got involved in this.
Is it routine procedure for them to investigate/prosecute their own nationals for crimes committed outside of Germany ?

BIB

My theory from the outset is they got gassed about the possibility of solving one of the most famous crimes - the solution having dropped literally into their lap with him being in prison locally.

Especially I think they believed that having "cracked the case" the rest of the evidence would be quickly found... i.e. once you know the killer, you will find the body.

Except they never found the body, so they still have no case.

IMO - that is the simple truth of it

 

[Davieson]

RSBM

Do we actually know for certain about breaking into the holiday apartments, including OC?

I know it's been reported - a lot of what we 'know' is based on dubious associates

Together with sensationalised and possibly inventive media reporting

 

[enquirer6]

RSBM

Do we actually know for certain about breaking into the holiday apartments, including OC?

I know it's been reported - a lot of what we 'know' is based on dubious associates

It seems he was employed at the Ocean Club:

Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brueckner allegedly worked at resort where she vanished

The German paedophile suspected of abducting Madeleine McCann “repeatedly worked” at the holiday apartments in Portugal where the child disappeared, documentary makers can reveal.

www.sundayworld.com

Would also seem they don't (or didn't) do very rigorous background checks on the people they employ there.

 

[RichardKimble]

Together with sensationalised and possibly inventive media reporting

No doubt, Mark Rowley said as much in 2017.

There are odd headlines and odd stories in newspapers on a regular basis and most of those are
nonsense.

 

[enquirer6]

No doubt, Mark Rowley said as much in 2017.

There are odd headlines and odd stories in newspapers on a regular basis and most of those are
nonsense.

Absolutely

The police dog who earns more than the Chief Constable

She's only 16 months old and demands no more reward than a gentle pat, but one of the country's top police dogs is already earning more than her force's Chief Constable. Springer spaniel Keela could earn up to £200,000 a year - £70,000 more than the chief of South Yorkshire Police. Read about...

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[RichardKimble]

Absolutely

The police dog who earns more than the Chief Constable

She's only 16 months old and demands no more reward than a gentle pat, but one of the country's top police dogs is already earning more than her force's Chief Constable. Springer spaniel Keela could earn up to £200,000 a year - £70,000 more than the chief of South Yorkshire Police. Read about...

www.dailymail.co.uk

You been bitten by a dog in the past ?

 

[Davieson]

It seems he was employed at the Ocean Club:

Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brueckner allegedly worked at resort where she vanished

The German paedophile suspected of abducting Madeleine McCann “repeatedly worked” at the holiday apartments in Portugal where the child disappeared, documentary makers can reveal.

www.sundayworld.com

Would also seem they don't (or didn't) do very rigorous background checks on the people they employ there.

As he only allegedly worked there, not sure how you come to that conclusion.

 

[Anxala]

BIB

My theory from the outset is they got gassed about the possibility of solving one of the most famous crimes - the solution having dropped literally into their lap with him being in prison locally.

Especially I think they believed that having "cracked the case" the rest of the evidence would be quickly found... i.e. once you know the killer, you will find the body.

Except they never found the body, so they still have no case.

IMO - that is the simple truth of it

If the case, how mortifying.

I do still find it hard to believe that a professional police force - a 1st world one at that, with every sophisticated crime-solving technology at its disposal - would embark on such a controversial, high profile 'publicity campaign' without being absolutely sure, regardless of what (if any) additional evidence was generated by their appeal, that what they had in hand was always going to be good enough to result in a charge. That was always how HCW framed things, that CB was always a done deal as far as MM is concerned.

But, as you suggest, in the absence of anything else to explain the current bewildering state of play, I guess your theory has to be considered as a mortifying possibility.

 

[Anxala]

I'm wondering if they are waiting on some kind of evidence that will either strengthen the case or completely alter it, and it should be available in 2 or 3 weeks.

But why not wait if the case? No one is holding a gun to HCW's head. He's not obliged to inform the public of the inner workings of a police investigation. If, for the sake of argument, your 'wondering' is correct, then why not wait for this evidence to come in and then make an informed public statement?

I just went back to check @tedtink 's earlier link and the Sunday Mirror describes it as an exclusive. Why on earth is he giving exclusives to the Sunday Mirror?

 

[RichardKimble]

But why not wait if the case? No one is holding a gun to HCW's head. He's not obliged to inform the public of the inner workings of a police investigation. If, for the sake of argument, your 'wondering' is correct, then why not wait for this evidence to come in so and then make a public statement?

I just went back to check @tedtink 's earlier link and the Sunday Mirror describes it an an exclusive. Why on earth is he giving exclusives to the Sunday Mirror?

Some surmised Clarke of the Olive press had his ear .

 

[RichardKimble]

Early May.


Madeleine McCann suspect ‘could face charges within weeks’ claim

Clarke, a journalist who has been investigating the disappearance of Madeleine in 2007 aged three, told GB News that Brueckner is likely to face a number of charges relating to a number of serious crimes.


“I can tell you that there’s lots of circumstantial evidence, but today I was made party to some evidence to suggest that there may be traces of Maddie’s DNA in one of the cars that Christian was driving on the night that she went missing,” Mr Clarke told presenter Alex Philips on the 15th anniversary of Madeleine’s disappearance from the Portuguese resort of Praia Da Luz
...
I’m told by my sources from the German prosecutor’s office he will be charged with three if not four cases in the next couple of weeks with the Madeleine charge likely later in the year,” Mr Clarke added.

 

[Davieson]

Early May.


Madeleine McCann suspect ‘could face charges within weeks’ claim

Clarke, a journalist who has been investigating the disappearance of Madeleine in 2007 aged three, told GB News that Brueckner is likely to face a number of charges relating to a number of serious crimes.


“I can tell you that there’s lots of circumstantial evidence, but today I was made party to some evidence to suggest that there may be traces of Maddie’s DNA in one of the cars that Christian was driving on the night that she went missing,” Mr Clarke told presenter Alex Philips on the 15th anniversary of Madeleine’s disappearance from the Portuguese resort of Praia Da Luz
...
I’m told by my sources from the German prosecutor’s office he will be charged with three if not four cases in the next couple of weeks with the Madeleine charge likely later in the year,” Mr Clarke added.

Well we're into September and none of this has come to pass. Should we pay any attention to what the media say ?

 

[enquirer6]

Well we're into September and none of this has come to pass. Should we pay any attention to what the media say ?

Who do you want to pay attention to?

Amaral?

Almeida?

Grime?