Madeleine McCann: German Prisoner Identified as Suspect, #34

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  • #201
From there, an analysis of his prior criminal record would have been done. Then, was there anything to connect him to the area of the crime at the time it took place?

There are probably other criteria but even on this, CB perhaps wouldn’t stand out as a strong suspect, IMO,
It depends how far they were willing to probe. They were specifically looking at Child Sex offenders and Burglars. CB was both. He had convictions for both those crimes in Germany at that time and if the PJ had made enquiries with their counterparts there, I'd say that should have made him a fairly strong suspect in comparison to others on the list. Especially combined with him having lived in PDL for a long time. JMO.
 
  • #202
It depends how far they were willing to probe. They were specifically looking at Child Sex offenders and Burglars. CB was both. He had convictions for both those crimes in Germany at that time and if the PJ had made enquiries with their counterparts there, I'd say that should have made him a fairly strong suspect in comparison to others on the list. Especially combined with him having lived in PDL for a long time. JMO.
PJ during 00's in Algarve...they didn't even know what was going on under its nose...much less enquire other forces...
 
  • #203
Since the video of CB's VW camper at the 2007 Dragon Festival (main dates 16-19 March) surfaced I've been torturing myself by going through footage of the festival again trying to spot him as the VW alone doesn't prove that he was there, MT admits being there. Once again I go full circle and end up at this. It's bugged me for a long long time so can we find more footage of these fair haired children with I think the red head, the dark haired male and what looks like a male in a mask 3:25 to 3:30
I have an idea who the redhead might be but it needs confirming.
There are some photos of the kids on Flickr but I lost my bookmark before I could take a closer look and can't find them again.
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  • #204
I’m sure CB was on the list of 600 suspects because of his extradition. From there, an analysis of his prior criminal record would have been done. Then, was there anything to connect him to the area of the crime at the time it took place?

There are probably other criteria but even on this, CB perhaps wouldn’t stand out as a strong suspect, IMO, especially when we don’t know what the other 599 looked like. Even RM for example, who has alleged sexually deviant behaviour as a young man, is a stronger suspect based purely on his location at the time of the crime.

I agree that if CB is the culprit, it’s a terrible oversight but LE has to funnel information in an investigation and deal with the strongest suspects first and I think we can be certain, given CB’s record at the time, a large portion of the list were stronger suspects than him. Just MO.

The problem with a list of 600 profiles, is how shall they be linked to the case or otherwise 'investigated'?

It's not like law enforcement can search their homes without cause.

We can surmise a variety of data sets were used to compile this list, which can then be linked to theories of the case e.g "burglars'. but you still need something to break the case.
 
  • #205
A comment from a Spanish blog, February 19, 2023:

Says the friend: "They think CB did it, they say they know he did it, but they told me they have no proof."

That is to say, they are stubborn that he did it without having any evidence to corroborate their suspicions...

Anyway, there will be a change of jurisdiction to give HCW a dignified exit and the German case will die, just like all the previous "suspects" have done.


Caso Madeleine McCann: EXCLUSIVA | policía alemana “incapaz de probar que el pedófilo Christian Brueckner secuestró a Madeleine”
 
  • #206
A comment from a Spanish blog, February 19, 2023:

Says the friend: "They think CB did it, they say they know he did it, but they told me they have no proof."

That is to say, they are stubborn that he did it without having any evidence to corroborate their suspicions...

Anyway, there will be a change of jurisdiction to give HCW a dignified exit and the German case will die, just like all the previous "suspects" have done.


Caso Madeleine McCann: EXCLUSIVA | policía alemana “incapaz de probar que el pedófilo Christian Brueckner secuestró a Madeleine”

With reference to “ just like all the previous "suspects" have done”.

Who are these people?
Over the years many people of interest must have been identified and quite obviously eliminated from the inquiry. As far as I know there has never been anyone who ticks the boxes CB does and against whom there is evidence.

I don’t think anyone is looking for a face saving exit. They don’t need to, all they would have to do is drop the case for lack of evidence and that would be that.

Nor do I think there is collusion between judiciary, prosecution and defence necessary to bring about that desired end. I think the objective of the police and prosecution is to take CB to trial. There have been too many man hours expended to think otherwise. My opinion ~ just more negativity directed at MM and everyone dealing with her case.
 
  • #207
IMO the thing the Prosecutors most want to know about is CB's movements in May 2007.

What additional info do we have about CB's movements (confirmed or alleged)?
Can we do a complete timeline of 3 months?

2007 April-May-June (Portugal)

April > Salema Beach Portugal - Christian B. is suspected of masturbating in front of a 10 year old girl (JE?).

May, 3 > 19:32 phone call from 683 to 680

May, 3 > "dirty job" in PdL

May, 3 > 21:10 to 22: 00 Madeleine McCann abducted from holiday apt 5A

May, 9 > Faro airport incident with girlfriend arrested.
 
  • #208
I’m sure CB was on the list of 600 suspects because of his extradition. From there, an analysis of his prior criminal record would have been done. Then, was there anything to connect him to the area of the crime at the time it took place?

There are probably other criteria but even on this, CB perhaps wouldn’t stand out as a strong suspect, IMO, especially when we don’t know what the other 599 looked like. Even RM for example, who has alleged sexually deviant behaviour as a young man, is a stronger suspect based purely on his location at the time of the crime.

I agree that if CB is the culprit, it’s a terrible oversight but LE has to funnel information in an investigation and deal with the strongest suspects first and I think we can be certain, given CB’s record at the time, a large portion of the list were stronger suspects than him. Just MO.
In the Sarah Payne case, police interviewed every paedophile in the area, no doubt prioritising according to sex & age preferences. Roy Whiting aroused police suspicion because he wasn’t interested in Sarah (unlike the paedophile that the officers interviewed previously). When he tried to go on the run, they arrested him and found a receipt for petrol in his vehicle which contradicted his own evidence about where he was & put him near the crime.

Paedophiles were hiding out in the Algarve away from national Police forces and the need to give police their addresses. This incident was almost inevitable but when it happened, it was a good excuse to collate info (addresses, telephone numbers) on every paedophile in the area; to cooperate with EU police forces about their citizens. 12 British children had been targeted. The McCanns didn’t do that.

CB was not at home for interview yet came into a British traffic net and that was missed. (I thought the Brits were imputting data into Holmes.) If he had been interviewed about his whereabouts, they could have checked that at the time.
 
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  • #209
What additional info do we have about CB's movements (confirmed or alleged)?
Can we do a complete timeline of 3 months?

2007 April-May-June (Portugal)

April > Salema Beach Portugal - Christian B. is suspected of masturbating in front of a 10 year old girl (JE?).

May, 3 > 19:32 phone call from 683 to 680

May, 3 > "dirty job" in PdL

May, 3 > 21:10 to 22: 00 Madeleine McCann abducted from holiday apt 5A

May, 9 > Faro airport incident with girlfriend arrested.
I think his movements in March could also be relevant, if CB has anything to do with MM then the people he associated with up to the event could throw some light on the whole situation. Especially if they have not been telling the truth. Even more so if the crime was carried out with an accomplice.

March, 16-19 > VW camper sighted at the Dragon Festival, Los Cigarrones, Orgiva, Spain

March, 30 > Video footage from Malaga, Spain with hitchhikers
 
  • #210
It depends how far they were willing to probe. They were specifically looking at Child Sex offenders and Burglars. CB was both. He had convictions for both those crimes in Germany at that time and if the PJ had made enquiries with their counterparts there, I'd say that should have made him a fairly strong suspect in comparison to others on the list. Especially combined with him having lived in PDL for a long time. JMO.
But he never raised suspicions of the BKA in 2013, maybe there is nothing obvious that links CB only that which as been provided by HB in contacting SY in 2017, even that maybe only be tenuous with the appeal in 2020 and as things stand in 2023 no charges in sight.
 
  • #211
What additional info do we have about CB's movements (confirmed or alleged)?
Can we do a complete timeline of 3 months?

2007 April-May-June (Portugal)

April > Salema Beach Portugal - Christian B. is suspected of masturbating in front of a 10 year old girl (JE?).

May, 3 > 19:32 phone call from 683 to 680

May, 3 > "dirty job" in PdL

May, 3 > 21:10 to 22: 00 Madeleine McCann abducted from holiday apt 5A

May, 9 > Faro airport incident with girlfriend arrested.
If it was MM related, why would CB consider it a dirty job ? According to some, that is the very thing he would revel in.
 
  • #212
A comment from a Spanish blog, February 19, 2023:

Says the friend: "They think CB did it, they say they know he did it, but they told me they have no proof."

That is to say, they are stubborn that he did it without having any evidence to corroborate their suspicions...

Anyway, there will be a change of jurisdiction to give HCW a dignified exit and the German case will die, just like all the previous "suspects" have done.


Caso Madeleine McCann: EXCLUSIVA | policía alemana “incapaz de probar que el pedófilo Christian Brueckner secuestró a Madeleine”
I made the same suggestion a few pages ago.
 
  • #213
What additional info do we have about CB's movements (confirmed or alleged)?
Can we do a complete timeline of 3 months?

2007 April-May-June (Portugal)

April > Salema Beach Portugal - Christian B. is suspected of masturbating in front of a 10 year old girl (JE?).

May, 3 > 19:32 phone call from 683 to 680

May, 3 > "dirty job" in PdL

May, 3 > 21:10 to 22: 00 Madeleine McCann abducted from holiday apt 5A

May, 9 > Faro airport incident with girlfriend arrested.
In April he towed the radio group’s trailer to Spain. I’ll find the dates and where he left them if you don’t have it.

ETA: @Sharkbite already provided it.
 
  • #214
If it was MM related, why would CB consider it a dirty job ? According to some, that is the very thing he would revel in.
I think the statement was from his ex-girlfriend (British) and it was “horrible job” not sure it makes much difference.

If she is to believed, NF also had CB travelling from Tomas to her place around early May.

 
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  • #215
who ticks the boxes CB does and against whom there is evidence.
Here we go again… there were 599 others that ticked similar boxes and other than evidence I posted a few pages back - possible coincidence and boasting - we don’t really know what there is.

Fine if it’s your opinion, but please don’t post it as fact when it’s far from it.
 
  • #216
With reference to “ just like all the previous "suspects" have done”.

Who are these people?
Over the years many people of interest must have been identified and quite obviously eliminated from the inquiry. As far as I know there has never been anyone who ticks the boxes CB does and against whom there is evidence.

I don’t think anyone is looking for a face saving exit. They don’t need to, all they would have to do is drop the case for lack of evidence and that would be that.

Nor do I think there is collusion between judiciary, prosecution and defence necessary to bring about that desired end. I think the objective of the police and prosecution is to take CB to trial. There have been too many man hours expended to think otherwise. My opinion ~ just more negativity directed at MM and everyone dealing with her case.

What hard evidence is there against CB though?

Quite a big of the evidence is actually just reports from media of quite variable quality.

I find it quite difficult to evaluate myself.
 
  • #217
Thanks to all!
Anything else?

2007 April-May-June (Portugal)

April, 7 > Salema Beach Portugal - Christian B. is suspected of masturbating in front of a 10 year old girl (JE?).

May, 2 > "Horrible job" in PdL Maddie suspect told of 'horrible job to do in Praia' night before toddler vanished

May, 3 > CB coming to Algarve from Tomar (NF called CB).

May, 3 > 21:10 to 22: 00 Madeleine McCann abducted from holiday apt 5A

May, 9 > Faro airport incident with girlfriend arrested.

When did he buy the Tiffin Allegro, and how much did her pay for it? When did he buy the Neuwergensleben factory?
 
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  • #218
Thanks to all!
Anything else?

2007 April-May-June (Portugal)

April, 7 > Salema Beach Portugal - Christian B. is suspected of masturbating in front of a 10 year old girl (JE?).

May, 2 > "Horrible job" in PdL Maddie suspect told of 'horrible job to do in Praia' night before toddler vanished

May, 3 > 19:32 to 20:01 Phone call from 683 to 680

May, 3 > 21:10 to 22: 00 Madeleine McCann abducted from holiday apt 5A

May, 9 > Faro airport incident with girlfriend arrested.

When did he buy the Tiffin Allegro, and how much did her pay for it? When did he buy the Neuwergensleben factory?
I think it's worth including the phone call that NF claims CB made to her on the 3rd May which Denis mentioned upthread. He said he was in Tomar and was driving to her house in Foral that evening. Of course, he may well not have been in Tomar, but the fact she says she isn't sure whether he arrived at her house that night and stayed outside in his van does at least suggest this is something he may been in the habit of doing i.e. staying in Foral durng this period of time.
 
  • #219
Thanks to all!
Anything else?

2007 April-May-June (Portugal)

April, 7 > Salema Beach Portugal - Christian B. is suspected of masturbating in front of a 10 year old girl (JE?).

May, 2 > "Horrible job" in PdL Maddie suspect told of 'horrible job to do in Praia' night before toddler vanished

May, 3 > CB coming to Algarve from Tomar (NF).

May, 3 > 21:10 to 22: 00 Madeleine McCann abducted from holiday apt 5A

May, 9 > Faro airport incident with girlfriend arrested.

When did he buy the Tiffin Allegro, and how much did her pay for it? When did he buy the Neuwergensleben factory?
Also, satellite shot possibly showing his WF van on Praia do Barranco on 22nd June 2007.

May also want to include his trips to Carvoeiro to meet his 'fling', said to have taken place over the course of a week in early May.
 
  • #220
Thanks to all!
Anything else?

2007 April-May-June (Portugal)

April, 7 > Salema Beach Portugal - Christian B. is suspected of masturbating in front of a 10 year old girl (JE?).

May, 2 > "Horrible job" in PdL Maddie suspect told of 'horrible job to do in Praia' night before toddler vanished

May, 3 > CB coming to Algarve from Tomar (NF).

May, 3 > 21:10 to 22: 00 Madeleine McCann abducted from holiday apt 5A

May, 9 > Faro airport incident with girlfriend arrested.

When did he buy the Tiffin Allegro, and how much did her pay for it? When did he buy the Neuwergensleben factory?
^Bold, I vaguely recall him buying it at auction or something for 15k euro. It was perhaps like a repossessed sale. I can’t say this for certain but I’ll try to find a link. I also thought it was around July 2007 and it has something to do with AB in Augsburg. I mentioned this recently and it conflicts with DF’s statement of “May to June”.

There are details of the box factory purchase on this forum, I’ll search for it.

I can’t find a link yet but the box factory was bought via a forced sale in Leipzig.
 
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