Madeleine McCann: German Prisoner Identified as Suspect, #35

[Deleted member 268165]

Are you saying then that every hair with a root found in 5A has been matched to someone via DNA? That wasn’t my understanding.

If I am not mistaken, the only hair with a root was from GM, the father of MM.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

If I am not mistaken, the only hair with a root was from GM, the father of MM.

I read it on your blog, below.

I think you are saying there are 42 unidentified hairs which from a mDNA perspective have not been identified. This means 112 hairs were connected to people within certain family groups?

So, it could be that one of the 42 hairs could be a match to CB or a close relative if compared to his actual DNA - is this correct?

THE MADELEINE MCCANN'S ABDUCTION: MITOCHONDRIAL DNA, 5A, 4 MAY 2007

EL RAPTO DE MADELEINE MCCANN: ADN MITOCONDRIAL, 5A, 4 DE MAYO DE 2007 Some people who are interested in the case of Madeleine McCann ar...

espacioexterior.blogspot.com

 

[onemoremiletogo]

With the second and third questions, I think it needs to be kept in mind that he was convicted based on DNA evidence in the DM case - a case in which he was very careful.

If he is saying no DNA evidence in 5A it’s because he’s certain there isn’t any. This isn’t because he was hovering with one hand while carrying MM in the other. All MO.

He could have been also very careful in 5A with MM.
But IMO we "is certain" because BKA have repeatedly said they do not have forensic evidence. And no charge after 2 years (now 3).

 

[Deleted member 268165]

I read it on your blog, below.

I think you are saying there are 42 unidentified hairs which from a mDNA perspective have not been identified. This means 112 hairs were connected to people within certain family groups?

So, it could be that one of the 42 hairs could be a match to CB or a close relative if compared to his actual DNA - is this correct?

THE MADELEINE MCCANN'S ABDUCTION: MITOCHONDRIAL DNA, 5A, 4 MAY 2007

EL RAPTO DE MADELEINE MCCANN: ADN MITOCONDRIAL, 5A, 4 DE MAYO DE 2007 Some people who are interested in the case of Madeleine McCann ar...

espacioexterior.blogspot.com

You may consider that nDNA gives a profile of approximately 1 in 1,000,000,000, while mDNA profile could be 1 in 50,000 or so ... Remember than JT mDNA coincided with mDNA from a person in a Burgau apartment without any relationship, if I remember properly.

 

[onemoremiletogo]

BBM. If we infer that CB is certain no body will be found, I’m going to forklift another animal into the conversation, sorry lol

He reportedly said in the past that a body could be disposed of by pigs. Is it possible that he relied on the wild boars of Portugal? They are widespread in areas of dense forest and water sources for drinking and bathing. They will eat carrion. I’m posting a recent link about their distribution but it appears they were widespread in the 2000s too.

Do Pigs Eat Humans? (Answered) - Wildlife Informer

Apologies ETA this link:

Wild Boar, a menace moving south

Wild boar, a somewhat dangerous species within the Algarve’s rich biodiversity, is making more of a nuisance of itself closer to the coast this year...

algarvedailynews.com

Portugal’s wild boar population “completely out of control” thanks to pandemic - Portugal Resident

Pig story, he may have brought from Joana C's case. Most likely he heard that other surreal novel...
Another suspicious case...and so close to PdL.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

Pig story, he may have brought from Joana C's case. Most likely he heard that other surreal novel...
Another suspicious case...and so close to PdL.

Also in the Guy Ritchie movie Snatch.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

You may consider that nDNA gives a profile of approximately 1 in 1,000,000,000, while mDNA profile could be 1 in 50,000 or so ... Remember than JT mDNA coincided with mDNA from a person in a Burgau apartment without any relationship, if I remember properly.

Yes, I recall it vaguely.

But 1:50k in a village with a population of 3k would be a good start?

 

[sleuth-d-]

There are a few anomalies with the way this list of questions is written IMO.

It could give clues to how certain he is on certain facts. For example, he isn’t sure if someone saw him or his car 3 May but it’s likely he doesn’t think anyone who knew him saw him that evening… he could be Smithman.

The first question about DNA could show that he wasn’t ever in 5A, could this mean an accomplice handed MM to him at the window - I think he is sure there is no forensic evidence linking him to 5A.

Similarly, and from the first question, he has some confidence that the VW T3 and the Jag cannot link him to the crime. Did he use a different car, an accomplices car, leave on foot or was she removed in a large bag or something. The investigators could be barking up the wrong tree with the cars based on this.

In the fourth question, the word ‘any’ is all encompassing, I don’t think he kept any mementos of MM and he is sure there is nothing physical that can connect him to MM.

The fifth question is very interesting. One word ‘Photos’. Compared to the other questions, there is far less conviction on this one. That he included it, I think shows that he doesn’t think they have one but the way in which it’s asked is kind of uncertain.

The last question he is very sure about. Either, he knows they haven’t looked in the right spot or he knows it can’t be found. I wonder if he would write this the same way after the search at Arade.

This could just be German phrasing coming through in English or I’m finding faces in the clouds but it could show something.

All just an opinion and obviously if CB did commit the crime.

any thoughts on why the child is referred to as the 'injured party' and the 'damaged party'?
and indeed why he doesn't mention MM by name?

also re: use of a different car. wasn't he the registered owner of two other vehicles at the time. a white merc 205d, and a grey ascona? (a blue bedford van was also in the mix around this time).

 

[onemoremiletogo]

any thoughts on why the child is referred to as the 'injured party' and the 'damaged party'?
and indeed why he doesn't mention MM by name?

also re: use of a different car. wasn't he the registered owner of two other vehicles at the time. a white merc 205d, and a grey ascona? (a blue bedford van was also in the mix around this time).

Maybe MM was tortured before the murder?!

I was not aware of other cars at the time. IMO it still could be VW:

I was never caught by the police because I followed a few key principles.
Where possible, only driving during the day so that my battered 'hippy bus' didn't attract attention, only driving on the roads I needed to and, most importantly never provoking the police.

 

[Consider Dudley]

any thoughts on why the child is referred to as the 'injured party' and the 'damaged party'?
and indeed why he doesn't mention MM by name?

also re: use of a different car. wasn't he the registered owner of two other vehicles at the time. a white merc 205d, and a grey ascona? (a blue bedford van was also in the mix around this time).

My thoughts are that it demonstrates a strong desire to distance himself from the victim in this case and a chilling lack of empathy.

 

[Consider Dudley]

Furthermore it dehumanises Madeleine by referring to her as “a party”. Perhaps it’s even a sick joke, a party he went to and had a good time.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

any thoughts on why the child is referred to as the 'injured party' and the 'damaged party'?
and indeed why he doesn't mention MM by name?

also re: use of a different car. wasn't he the registered owner of two other vehicles at the time. a white merc 205d, and a grey ascona? (a blue bedford van was also in the mix around this time).

Not until you bring it up!

Firstly, 'injured/damaged party' suggests distancing himself from something - perhaps harm to MM, but it could also show that he genuinely is distant from it. The fact that he mentions these things implies that she was harmed. He also mentions the body. Nothing is certain but these things probably do indicate he has done something to her.

I have read about the Ascona and a green VW Passat but I can't recall the merc. The Bedford CF was confiscated when he was arrested in 2006 for diesel theft. I think I agree with @onemoremiletogo, on the "did anyone clearly see my car question," I don't think they were near 5A and I think he knows no one (the Smiths) saw him clearly enough to give a good description.

OPinions a plenty!

 

[Denis R Tandib]

Furthermore it dehumanises Madeleine by referring to her as “a party”. Perhaps it’s even a sick joke, a party he went to and had a good time.

I was going to make that point, too but I think it's a little cryptic.

 

[Deleted member 268165]

Yes, I recall it vaguely.

But 1:50k in a village with a population of 3k would be a good start?

Do not forget 1:50,000 is a mean in the geographical distribution ...

 

[Denis R Tandib]

Maybe MM was tortured before the murder?!

I was not aware of other cars at the time. IMO it still could be VW:

I was never caught by the police because I followed a few key principles.
Where possible, only driving during the day so that my battered 'hippy bus' didn't attract attention, only driving on the roads I needed to and, most importantly never provoking the police.

It did grab attention though. If you read the details of the Alcossebre sighting, they remark on the distinctive nature of the VW. The same goes for the Jag - especially in a tourist town.

If he was burgling and MM was an opportunistic abduction, it stands to reason that he didn't need a car close by.

If it was a planned abduction, then a seven-year-old white van or something equally nondescript is the logical choice.

 

[sleuth-d-]

Maybe MM was tortured before the murder?!

I was not aware of other cars at the time. IMO it still could be VW:

I was never caught by the police because I followed a few key principles.
Where possible, only driving during the day so that my battered 'hippy bus' didn't attract attention, only driving on the roads I needed to and, most importantly never provoking the police.

re: key principles. interesting that he thinks he was never caught by the police. first time they caught him he was 17. and has been caught multiple times since.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

Do not forget 1:50,000 is a mean in the geographical distribution ...

Kindly explain this in a little more detail.

 

[Deleted member 268165]

Kindly explain this in a little more detail.

You may have a population of 200,000 in a zone and the 3, 4 or 5 people with the same mDNA profile could be restricted to a small area inside the zone.

 

[StillDiggin]

Investigators set to widen search after new photos reveal ‘clues’ – latest

Has Madeleine McCann been found? Update and latest news today

www.independent.co.uk

 

[Monic]

I read it on your blog, below.

I think you are saying there are 42 unidentified hairs which from a mDNA perspective have not been identified. This means 112 hairs were connected to people within certain family groups?

So, it could be that one of the 42 hairs could be a match to CB or a close relative if compared to his actual DNA - is this correct?

THE MADELEINE MCCANN'S ABDUCTION: MITOCHONDRIAL DNA, 5A, 4 MAY 2007

EL RAPTO DE MADELEINE MCCANN: ADN MITOCONDRIAL, 5A, 4 DE MAYO DE 2007 Some people who are interested in the case of Madeleine McCann ar...

espacioexterior.blogspot.com

Is that material found still available?

And it could be interesting of the police has the DNA from CB´s dog.
If CB was in the appartment, he could have lost a hair of his dog??