Madeleine McCann: German Prisoner Identified as Suspect, #37

[Pixie Child]

The alleged attack against HB was 2004 and it was recorded.

If CB’s motivation was dark web uploads, he would have had to have been a very early adopter, Tor was released in 2002. Even the term “Dark Web” wasn’t in use until 2009.

Would a German drifter living in the Algarve have the understanding, means and technology to be able to access the dark web?

I know MT said he was on the dark net but I wonder what he meant.

TOR was available to the public from 2003 but it might have been just the regular open internet (Clearnet) - a bit of a Wild West for porn in those days according to Reddit users.

 

[RichardKimble]

TOR was available to the public from 2003 but it might have been just the regular open internet (Clearnet) - a bit of a Wild West for *advertiser censored* in those days according to Reddit users.

I'm thinking it's probably inline with the explosion of sites offering all manner of copyright music to films, still took a bit of know how to upload Id venture.

 

[Mex]

Nuclear DNA can be recovered from a rooted hair, while only mitochondrial DNA cn be recovered from a rootless hair. Nuclear DNA identifies individuals, mitochondrial DNA only identifies groups of people. Therefore the hair must have been rooted to give an exact match to CB.

Thank you, G-Unit.
Probably the hair found still had its root attached and I assume all the appropriate storage and evidential protocols put in place by the scientific PJ which enabled it to assist in the cold case many years down the line.

Indeed one wonders did they actually hand over the hair or the results of their tests on the hair.

 

[Deleted member 268165]

Thank you, G-Unit.
Probably the hair found still had its root attached and I assume all the appropriate storage and evidential protocols put in place by the scientific PJ which enabled it to assist in the cold case many years down the line.

Indeed one wonders did they actually hand over the hair or the results of their tests on the hair.

The hair HAD its root, so nuclear DNA was obtained. Source: GA.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

I think CB's conviction for the possession of images of the type for which he merited that criminal conviction rather negates too much wondering about his motivation.
I think investigators probably don't need to speculate too much on his activities as we do - I think they know quite a bit of them.

Whatever the "dark web" might have been known as in the past, its adherents have always populated the underbelly of the internet in one shape or other of bestial form. And they will continue to do so.
My opinion

Please provide a source for CB’s criminal conviction for for the possession of illegal images.

We don’t know exactly what investigators know but we know there is no intention to charge CB with CSA images or similar at the moment.

It really doesn’t matter what other people do or have done on the dark web, it’s irrelevant to this forum. My post was about the likelihood of CB creating footage in 2004 for the online bartering system used on the dark web - given he was living in a ramshackle house in the Algarve when the technology was in its infancy, I think it’s unlikely.

 

[RichardKimble]

The hair HAD its root, so nuclear DNA was obtained. Source: GA.

So the next question would be, at what point was CB's DNA collected for comparison, it's all very well saying he should have been caught earlier but unless the P J had his DNA on a data base then no link would have been found, does the law in Portugal for example allow for the collection and storage of DNA from a different nationality?

 

[Denis R Tandib]

The hair HAD its root, so nuclear DNA was obtained. Source: GA.

Oooooh, controversial source but I’m sure it’s right. However unpopular he is, much of what we know about CB is from him.

 

[G-Unit]

The hair HAD its root, so nuclear DNA was obtained. Source: GA.

Do you have a link please Janosch?

 

[Deleted member 268165]

Do you have a link please Janosch?

Book of GA.

"On 17 September 2018, the German laboratory produces a report with the final results. Only on the two sheets were traces found that could be examined for DNA, namely 16 human hairs. Of these, DNA profiles could only be identified on two. One of the hairs belonged to the victim, the other had roots and was identified as belonging to CB"

 

[Mex]

Please provide a source for CB’s criminal conviction for for the possession of illegal images.

We don’t know exactly what investigators know but we know there is no intention to charge CB with CSA images or similar at the moment.

It really doesn’t matter what other people do or have done on the dark web, it’s irrelevant to this forum. My post was about the likelihood of CB creating footage in 2004 for the online bartering system used on the dark web - given he was living in a ramshackle house in the Algarve when the technology was in its infancy, I think it’s unlikely.

From the Mail

• CB assaulted ex-girlfriend's daughter, aged five, in public park
• He took graphic photographs later discovered on his digital camera and laptop
• The attack took place in 2013 when CB was living in northern Germany

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During a raid on his flat, police seized a laptop and other devices on which they found the photographs.

Analysis of the images allowed the officers to identify the scene of the attack and the girl, who had moved to another part of Germany with her mother.
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CB, who is referred to as ‘Christian B’ by German justice officials, was extradited back to Germany, convicted and given a 15-month jail term in March 2017.

Thomas Klinge, the Chief Prosecutor in Hanover, said last night: ‘I can confirm that there was the c***d a***e case. Christian B was sentenced in 2017 for one year and three months.’

FF, CB's lawyer, declined to comment.

Christian Brueckner was jailed for abusing ex-girlfriend's daughter

The prime suspect in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann was jailed for sexually abusing the five-year-old daughter of a former girlfriend, The Mail on Sunday can reveal.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Tekno]

The alleged attack against HB was 2004 and it was recorded.

If CB’s motivation was dark web uploads, he would have had to have been a very early adopter, Tor was released in 2002. Even the term “Dark Web” wasn’t in use until 2009.

Would a German drifter living in the Algarve have the understanding, means and technology to be able to access the dark web?

I know MT said he was on the dark net but I wonder what he meant.

‘Would a German drifter living in the Algarve have the understanding, means and technology to be able to access the dark web?’

Could be that CP assisted with this. MOO.

 

[Mex]

Book of GA.

"On 17 September 2018, the German laboratory produces a report with the final results. Only on the two sheets were traces found that could be examined for DNA, namely 16 human hairs. Of these, DNA profiles could only be identified on two. One of the hairs belonged to the victim, the other had roots and was identified as belonging to CB"

I think we have the mental image of Eurika! a single pubic hair! Butt there was a total of sixteen only two of which enabled a positive result.

I would suggest these were the only two with roots still attached.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

From the Mail

• CB assaulted ex-girlfriend's daughter, aged five, in public park
• He took graphic photographs later discovered on his digital camera and laptop
• The attack took place in 2013 when CB was living in northern Germany

...................................

During a raid on his flat, police seized a laptop and other devices on which they found the photographs.

Analysis of the images allowed the officers to identify the scene of the attack and the girl, who had moved to another part of Germany with her mother.
...................................

CB, who is referred to as ‘Christian B’ by German justice officials, was extradited back to Germany, convicted and given a 15-month jail term in March 2017.

Thomas Klinge, the Chief Prosecutor in Hanover, said last night: ‘I can confirm that there was the c***d *advertiser censored***e case. Christian B was sentenced in 2017 for one year and three months.’

FF, CB's lawyer, declined to comment.

Christian Brueckner was jailed for abusing ex-girlfriend's daughter

The prime suspect in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann was jailed for sexually abusing the five-year-old daughter of a former girlfriend, The Mail on Sunday can reveal.

www.dailymail.co.uk

This conviction relates to:

“The prime suspect in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann was jailed for sexually abusing the five-year-old daughter of a former girlfriend”

Your statement was:

“I think CB's conviction for the possession of images of the type for which he merited that criminal conviction rather negates too much wondering about his motivation.”

CB has convictions for sexual abuse and rape, it’s a fact that he has sexual motives for crimes.

However, we were discussing his motives for videoing his crimes. Your statement is incorrect because CB has no convictions for the possessions of images. His motivation for videoing his crimes is uncertain but I still think, they were for his personal use as we have no confirmation that he ever shared any images or footage.

 

[Dave55]

So the next question would be, at what point was CB's DNA collected for comparison, it's all very well saying he should have been caught earlier but unless the P J had his DNA on a data base then no link would have been found, does the law in Portugal for example allow for the collection and storage of DNA from a different nationality?

As I understand...Portugal does not have a dna data base

 

[Denis R Tandib]

I think we have the mental image of Eurika! a single pubic hair! Butt there was a total of sixteen only two of which enabled a positive result.

I would suggest these were the only two with roots still attached.

Considering that an exact match is only possible with a root, this has to be the case.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

‘Would a German drifter living in the Algarve have the understanding, means and technology to be able to access the dark web?’

Could be that CP assisted with this. MOO.

Possible, does CP have convictions for the possession of CSA material?

 

[Dave55]

This conviction relates to:

“The prime suspect in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann was jailed for sexually abusing the five-year-old daughter of a former girlfriend”

Your statement was:

“I think CB's conviction for the possession of images of the type for which he merited that criminal conviction rather negates too much wondering about his motivation.”

CB has convictions for sexual abuse and rape, it’s a fact that he has sexual motives for crimes.

However, we were discussing his motives for videoing his crimes. Your statement is incorrect because CB has no convictions for the possessions of images. His motivation for videoing his crimes is uncertain but I still think, they were for his personal use as we have no confirmation that he ever shared any images or footage.

As regards the rapes CB seems to video all of them. If he did take and abuse maddie its likely a video exist...or existed

 

[onemoremiletogo]

Not just the computer though, its access to the internet and speed.

Oh, yes....it should have been very hard for him to get that...

 

[onemoremiletogo]

We should thank GA for letting us know about CB....LOL
Maybe because they knocked on his door and as he was not there, they went away...but with all interest in coming back later.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

As regards the rapes CB seems to video all of them. If he did take and abuse maddie its likely a video exist...or existed

I am not sure this can be stated as fact. DM’s testimony stated that he recorded it.

The three rapes he was charged with were allegedly recorded but even the crimes haven’t been proven yet.

More curiously though IMO, is that these offences occurred between 2000 and 2006.

What happened after these and before he was arrested in 2017? We don’t know if he committed more rapes and there certainly hasn’t been any reports of any recorded ones.

Does this mean there were no more rapes or no more recordings or both?