Madeleine McCann: German Prisoner Identified as Suspect, #37

[Davieson]

What leapt off the page for me was "
14/03/2013 - Violation of gun legislation/carrying a weapon (Court of Braunschweig)"

A hand gum appears to be a recurring theme in association with CB.

Drug dealer. Playing the Big Man ?
No accusation of him using a gun, just carrying one.

 

[Okapi]

The vile murderer of Holly and Jessica had no convictions for abduction.

He had no convictions for murder.

But he abducted and murdered both Holly and Jessica.

Ah, I didn’t have an example in mind when I replied just now. But that was a pertinent one.

 

[mrjitty]

Have yuou seen Black Mirror Loch Henry in Netflix?
(trial by profile).

Have you seen the Wirecard documentary?

It is fascinating that the German financial crime prosecutors opened a process against journalists of the Financial Times based on nothing more than the say so of the fraudsters.

Just goes to show the dangers when prosecutors make their accusations in the media rather than by charging

Now obviously Wirecard were a darling of the german financial media, rather than a sex offender, but that is why I have significant issues with this. Precisely because it will happen in other kinds of cases and especially because there is a tendency to develop a 'profile' based on media reporting which may be highly inaccurate.

Lots of what gets routinely quoted in this case is not Court evidence from prior cases, or from the prosecutor's appeal, but stuff from tabloid reporting or best case, mainstream reporting. As we've seen in other high profile cases, those 'facts' are often incorrect or only partially correct.


Hopefully one day the prosecutor will test his claims in court.

 

[Davieson]

I think of the Titanic. At this point in time, I can only see part of an iceberg. It doesn’t mean it’s not there. It doesn’t mean it is.

I’m happy to own my bias and say categorically that anyone convicted of an abusive crime against a minor will always be a danger to children, in my mind. That’s my personal opinion. I don’t class offences against children by age rating. Underage is underage. It’s an abuse of power by the offender. And the history of domestic violence attested by CB’s ex-girlfriends is also in my mind. So I find myself agreeing with Frank’s comments upthread, about legal/factual truths.

As for CB’s crimesheet, we simply don’t know if the interim period of no sexual convictions means that he committed no crimes, or if he evaded detection. It’s a problem exacerbated by his rootlessness.

But sexual crimes have to start somewhere and for many offenders, they escalate. Filming DM’s rape was an escalation built on the experience of prior crimes imo. And thinking on something you said upthread, Denis, such crimes may have emerged initially within a formerly consensual relationship with another adult.

CB is a curious mix of calculation and recklessness. Substance abuse could well account for the latter. I am looking forward to seeing what the five pending charges will elucidate about him.

I remain hopeful that the MM investigators will solve the crime. Whether it results in CB’s conviction remains to be seen.

Thanks again for digging out the convictions list. I’ve bookmarked it

Quite, but one can only go on the facts regarding convictions, not on imaginary crimes that he might have committed

 

[Okapi]

Quite, but one can only go on the facts regarding convictions, not on imaginary crimes that he might have committed

I don’t dispute that. I was asked for my opinion, and there it is. Take a bow, Okapi’s opinion

 

[Lyall0814]

German prosecutor HCW said investigators have enough evidence to bring a charge against the suspect but want to “strengthen their position” first.

Madeleine McCann investigators ‘100% convinced’ suspect killed her

Prosecutors said they will hold off until they have more evidence

www.independent.co.uk

That's the Independent publishing an article based on a Mirror article HCW complained about I think? He said he'd been misquoted by Fricker? I think so.

Anyway it is a humdinger of an article (the Mirror one), in which Wolters says (four years into the investigation) "We’re perhaps halfway through", and then he says (doubtless with zero self-awareness) "What takes one week in Germany can take six months in Portugal". He's as much comedian as spokesperson (imo).

But the guy's comical encounters with the various media does at least provide much to talk about. Could be years before it ever gets to a court (if it ever does, and I wouldn't bet on it).

 

[Mex]

Drug dealer. Playing the Big Man ?
No accusation of him using a gun, just carrying one.

Definitely!! I think it was just a mind set of how he viewed his persona. I don't have time right now to find the link, but it was noted on at least one occasion, I think with some trepidation during one of his stays in Portugal.

 

[Consider Dudley]

That's the Independent publishing an article based on a Mirror article HCW complained about I think? He said he'd been misquoted by Fricker? I think so.

Anyway it is a humdinger of an article (the Mirror one), in which Wolters says (four years into the investigation) "We’re perhaps halfway through", and then he says (doubtless with zero self-awareness) "What takes one week in Germany can take six months in Portugal". He's as much comedian as spokesperson (imo).

But the guy's comical encounters with the various media does at least provide much to talk about. Could be years before it ever gets to a court (if it ever does, and I wouldn't bet on it).

Left to Portugal,justice for CB’s rape victim would have happened on 12th of Never, so in that regard at least the Germans are light years ahead.

 

[Lyall0814]

Left to Portugal,justice for CB’s rape victim would have happened on 12th of Never, so in that regard at least the Germans are light years ahead.

That's true no doubt, Dudley. And they've been successful in identifying other crimes allegedly committed by him too. Nobody doubts that. That doesn't mean they haven't possibly put 2 and 2 together and come up with 5 re: MM.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

The vile murderer of Holly and Jessica had no convictions for abduction.

He had no convictions for murder.

But he abducted and murdered both Holly and Jessica.

Vile perhaps but unrelated to the MM case unless you are aware of a connection?

 

[Denis R Tandib]

It is procedure to check out unresolved crimes of a similar nature when investigating seious crime.
My opinion

I think it’s speculative reporting in most circumstances.

The situations where the prosecutors have stated/leaked connections, I think are done to develop the “CB is the culprit” narrative.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

I think of the Titanic. At this point in time, I can only see part of an iceberg. It doesn’t mean it’s not there. It doesn’t mean it is.

I’m happy to own my bias and say categorically that anyone convicted of an abusive crime against a minor will always be a danger to children, in my mind. That’s my personal opinion. I don’t class offences against children by age rating. Underage is underage. It’s an abuse of power by the offender. And the history of domestic violence attested by CB’s ex-girlfriends is also in my mind. So I find myself agreeing with Frank’s comments upthread, about legal/factual truths.

As for CB’s crimesheet, we simply don’t know if the interim period of no sexual convictions means that he committed no crimes, or if he evaded detection. It’s a problem exacerbated by his rootlessness.

But sexual crimes have to start somewhere and for many offenders, they escalate. Filming DM’s rape was an escalation built on the experience of prior crimes imo. And thinking on something you said upthread, Denis, such crimes may have emerged initially within a formerly consensual relationship with another adult.

CB is a curious mix of calculation and recklessness. Substance abuse could well account for the latter. I am looking forward to seeing what the five pending charges will elucidate about him.

I remain hopeful that the MM investigators will solve the crime. Whether it results in CB’s conviction remains to be seen.

Thanks again for digging out the convictions list. I’ve bookmarked it

It’s a fair appraisal Okapi, thanks.

All his rap she does is show convicted crimes, from which we can try to evaluate if there are more crimes that haven’t been prosecuted.

If there are, a record informs what the person may be capable of, can they be responsible for more serious crimes?

For me, CB’s background shows a career criminal. I have no doubt he has committed more crimes that he hasn’t been prosecuted for.

But, that is not the question, the question is if he abducted and murdered MM. Certainly the PR strategy from German LE is designed to makes us think he has but what is behind? I worry not much and I don’t think we will ever see CB charged.

 

[RichardKimble]

Drug dealer. Playing the Big Man ?
No accusation of him using a gun, just carrying one.

Nothing in the indictments cover a gun.

 

[RichardKimble]

Which is probably why they have made CB the prime suspect in the murder of MM and have informed the public and requested information on that basis.
My opinion

The argument you put forward was that the police don't determine guilt, so In saying they are 100% sure in the press what are they determining then?

 

[Consider Dudley]

That's true no doubt, Dudley. And they've been successful in identifying other crimes allegedly committed by him too. Nobody doubts that. That doesn't mean they haven't possibly put 2 and 2 together and come up with 5 re: MM.

All we can do at this stage is speculate that that is (or isn’t) the case, a quite pointless way of passing the time IMO.

 

[RichardKimble]

That's the Independent publishing an article based on a Mirror article HCW complained about I think? He said he'd been misquoted by Fricker? I think so.

Anyway it is a humdinger of an article (the Mirror one), in which Wolters says (four years into the investigation) "We’re perhaps halfway through", and then he says (doubtless with zero self-awareness) "What takes one week in Germany can take six months in Portugal". He's as much comedian as spokesperson (imo).

But the guy's comical encounters with the various media does at least provide much to talk about. Could be years before it ever gets to a court (if it ever does, and I wouldn't bet on it).

Also it said charges next year, that was in 2021.

 

[Lyall0814]

All we can do at this stage is speculate that that is (or isn’t) the case, a quite pointless way of passing the time IMO.

Maybe but if you can't stop thinking about the case anyway you may as well be posting about it? Irrespective of what some posters here say the case is as big a mystery now as it was in Week 1.

(arguing and losing tempers over it is pointless imo I'd agree with you there)

 

[Lyall0814]

Also it said charges next year, that was in 2021.

Maybe they did ask the court in 2022 and they were told you don't have enough? It's not impossible is it.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

Maybe they did ask the court in 2022 and they were told you don't have enough? It's not impossible is it.

It’s a good thought, very possible.

 

[Okapi]

It’s a fair appraisal Okapi, thanks.

All his rap she does is show convicted crimes, from which we can try to evaluate if there are more crimes that haven’t been prosecuted.

If there are, a record informs what the person may be capable of, can they be responsible for more serious crimes?

For me, CB’s background shows a career criminal. I have no doubt he has committed more crimes that he hasn’t been prosecuted for.

But, that is not the question, the question is if he abducted and murdered MM. Certainly the PR strategy from German LE is designed to makes us think he has but what is behind? I worry not much and I don’t think we will ever see CB charged.

It’s a long, drawn-out saga, I agree. I hope that the 5 other charges come to court soon and then we may see some traction on the MM investigation.