Madeleine McCann: German Prisoner Identified as Suspect, #38

[Davieson]

I think in effect that CB is being given an extraordinary easy ride by the press and social media. Whereas I cannot say the same for HCW who seems to be the current whipping boy.
My opinion

I can't say I've seen anything in the press to support that view. Social media maybe.

 

[RichardKimble]

I think in effect that CB is being given an extraordinary easy ride by the press and social media. Whereas I cannot say the same for HCW who seems to be the current whipping boy.
My opinion

There is only so much dirt to be dug on CB that was all done to the nth degree in 2020. HCW is like the English summer, so much promise but fails to deliver.

 

[Mex]

There is only so much dirt to be dug on CB that was all done to the nth degree in 2020. HCW is like the English summer, so much promise but fails to deliver.

Thank you Richard. I think your post illustrates perfectly the point I make.

HCW hasn't had the opportunity to deliver anything as yet. He has been fat too busy working on the MM investigation and information spun off from that to indict for five unrelated but serious offences. As well as possibly taking time out to track jurisdiction related data.
My opinion

 

[Mex]

I can't say I've seen anything in the press to support that view. Social media maybe.

FF has been bullish in presenting his client's case ... he hasn't taken legal steps to curtail the alleged offences I have seen being attributed to the prosecutors.
Could that be because they have no standing in law?

 

[RichardKimble]

FF has been bullish in presenting his client's case ... he hasn't taken legal steps to curtail the alleged offences I have seen being attributed to the prosecutors.
Could that be because they have no standing in law?

As of from April CB is not under arrest for the 5 charges, legal argument for those will arise once/if he is indicted again imo.

 

[Consider Dudley]

Was it yourself who mentioned Dostoyevsky the other day? The original investigation does seem a little bit like one from one of his books. Good call whoever it was.

Here's where the misunderstandings arise though. Folks will think we're criticising the efforts that brought the other five cases to court, when we're not. It's perfectly possible for competent, and very competent, investigative work to have been carried out elsewhere simultaneously with the original investigation turning out to be a tunnel-visioned mess. Some of us thought that it likely was way back in 06/20 of course.

Why did you think that back in 06/20?

 

[Lyall0814]

I think in effect that CB is being given an extraordinary easy ride by the press and social media. Whereas I cannot say the same for HCW who seems to be the current whipping boy.
My opinion

One Bild interview? They're Germans, they'd expect that

 

[Lyall0814]

Why did you think that back in 06/20?

We discussed this last week or the week before. Because we'd seen all the hype before.

 

[Consider Dudley]

We discussed this last week or the week before. Because we'd seen all the hype before.

Did we? Must be the Alzheimers, apologies.

 

[Lyall0814]

Did we? Must be the Alzheimers, apologies.

I think we did. I could be wrong. (I may have been dreaming the conversations )

(Personally I think they only went public because one or more media organisations told them they'd waited long enough and were going to publish what they knew. So they agreed to do it simultaneously. It was hype from Day 1)

 

[Consider Dudley]

I think we did. I could be wrong. (I may have been dreaming the conversations )

I’ve looked back and can’t see any explanation as to why you or anyone else greeted the June 2020 announcement bw HCW with cynicism though I don’t doubt that is what you felt, possibly because you feel fairly certain that no abduction ever took place? Apologies again if this is not representative of your views, it’s simply my surmising based on what you have written in the past.

 

[Lyall0814]

I’ve looked back and can’t see any explanation as to why you or anyone else greeted the June 2020 announcement bw HCW with cynicism though I don’t doubt that is what you felt, possibly because you feel fairly certain that no abduction ever took place? Apologies again if this is not representative of your views, it’s simply my surmising based on what you have written in the past.

It was the appeal and what they were appealing for (when they already had the vehicles) and the hyping of the phone evidence. It didn't sound like anything was going to happen anytime soon - despite his bullish rhetoric it didn't sound like they were anywhere close to having case - and three years on we've been proved to have been right.

 

[Consider Dudley]

It was the appeal and what they were appealing for (when they already had the vehicles) and the hyping of the phone evidence. It didn't sound like anything was going to happen anytime soon - despite his bullish rhetoric it didn't sound like they were anywhere close to having case - and three years on we've been proved to have been right.

That sounds like you’re speaking with the benefit of hindsight to me. To anyone reading the reports in the media back in June 2020 it did indeed sound like the Germans were close to pressing charges. I even remember getting a BBC news alert to that effect. The announcement was of course greeted with cynicism by some but I don’t believe anyone could honestly have claimed to know then that the Germans were nowhere near solving the case. IMO.

 

[Lyall0814]

That sounds like you’re speaking with the benefit of hindsight to me. To anyone reading the reports in the media back in June 2020 it did indeed sound like the Germans were close to pressing charges. I even remember getting a BBC news alert to that effect. The announcement was of course greeted with cynicism by some but I don’t believe anyone could honestly have claimed to know then that the Germans were nowhere near solving the case. IMO.

I don't doubt you're right that many thought what you say. Imo that just shows how scary media power is. But they perhaps were taking the spokesperson's bullish rhetoric seriously. Many weren't. Not then and not now.

 

[Davieson]

I find cynicism to be a useful attribute. It helps to weed out a lot of the dross.

 

[Consider Dudley]

I find cynicism to be a useful attribute. It helps to weed out a lot of the dross.

A true cynic rejects everything they are told by anyone and never takes anything at face value. I find that can be quite a counterproductive and negative approach and can leads to all sorts of quite bizarre conspiracy thinking and ultimately worst case scenario dementia (there is a correlation between the two).

 

[magicslipper]

I don't doubt you're right that many thought what you say. Imo that just shows how scary media power is. But they perhaps were taking the spokesperson's bullish rhetoric seriously. Many weren't. Not then and not now.

 

[Davieson]

A true cynic rejects everything they are told by anyone and never takes anything at face value. I find that can be quite a counterproductive and negative approach and can leads to all sorts of quite bizarre conspiracy thinking and ultimately worst case scenario dementia (there is a correlation between the two).

A true cynic would doubt conspiracy theories as well.

 

[mrjitty]

Why not? Interpol do exactly that on their online Red Notice list.

Yes but in that case a person is to be arrested, extradited and charged with a crime.

 

[mrjitty]

That sounds like you’re speaking with the benefit of hindsight to me. To anyone reading the reports in the media back in June 2020 it did indeed sound like the Germans were close to pressing charges. I even remember getting a BBC news alert to that effect. The announcement was of course greeted with cynicism by some but I don’t believe anyone could honestly have claimed to know then that the Germans were nowhere near solving the case. IMO.

BIB

That is what i believed - a last step before charges

Especially I worried they were wading into an unholy mess but thought they must surely have a trump card to justify it. Now I am much less sure.