Madeleine McCann: German Prisoner Identified as Suspect, #38

[mrjitty]

Because, in the scheme of things, the MM assocation is the only reason these 5 charges are actually on our radar. Were she not, only the Hazel Behan charge would likely be generating media attention outside of Germany, and even that would be low key and confined pretty much to Irish press.

RSBM

I do wonder if they located Berhan by looking at similar rapes in that time period or whether she came forward via the publicity? I presume trawling through similar cases in Portugal is one of the things that have been doing.

As for the rest of your sentiments I agree.

 

[Okapi]

RSBM

I do wonder if they located Berhan by looking at similar rapes in that time period or whether she came forward via the publicity? I presume trawling through similar cases in Portugal is one of the things that have been doing.

As for the rest of your sentiments I agree.

She came forward when CB was named as a MM suspect, as she recognised similarities between her assault and his convicted rape of DM. Sadly, ordinary police work had not joined the dots before that and she has been outspoken that her case wasn’t properly investigated by LE at the time it happened.

Rape victim asks Madeleine McCann detectives to review her case

Exclusive: Irish woman says an earlier assault by new McCann suspect is similar to that on her

amp.theguardian.com

 

[Mex]

She came forward when CB was named as a MM suspect, as she recognised similarities between her assault and his convicted rape of DM. Sadly, ordinary police work had not joined the dots before that and she has been outspoken that her case wasn’t properly investigated by LE at the time it happened.

Rape victim asks Madeleine McCann detectives to review her case

Exclusive: Irish woman says an earlier assault by new McCann suspect is similar to that on her

amp.theguardian.com

The sad thing about it all is that all the work had been done and was in place to enable a conviction in the DM case because they had a suspect with whom to make a DNA comparison.

In HB's case they had sufficient evidence to charge CB with the crime.

Investigators were obviously tackling the crimes but that seems as far as they were taken. Nothing seems to have been carried through and the lack of a database didn't make matters any easier.

 

[Okapi]

The sad thing about it all is that all the work had been done and was in place to enable a conviction in the DM case because they had a suspect with whom to make a DNA comparison.

In HB's case they had sufficient evidence to charge CB with the crime.

Investigators were obviously tackling the crimes but that seems as far as they were taken. Nothing seems to have been carried through and the lack of a database didn't make matters any easier.

I think that’s pertinent, Mex (BBM).
If forensics in the HaB case (such as they were) had been retained, and reviewed in light of subsequent crimes, perhaps yet other crimes may have been prevented. As posters have previously suggested.

 

[Dave55]

I thought the objection was to him saying that they were convinced CB murdered Madeleine - if HCW's bosses thought that was beyond the pale and a breach of the judicial code then I'm surprised that he is still be allowed to act as spokesman for the investigation and not been booted off the case altogether.

I was on an extreme anti forum yesterday...where every other post is..dogs don't lie. They have a fairly well educated German member..I asked her three times..do you think it's possible Wolters is lying....she refused to give a direct answer

 

[Lyall0814]

I was on an extreme anti forum yesterday...where every other post is..dogs don't lie. They have a fairly well educated German member..I asked her three times..do you think it's possible Wolters is lying....she refused to give a direct answer

You're been saying that for three years now. It's really not a great argument. He's a prosecutor. He exists to prosecute. It's all they think about. But we're three years on and they still can't do it.

 

[RichardKimble]

I was on an extreme anti forum yesterday...where every other post is..dogs don't lie. They have a fairly well educated German member..I asked her three times..do you think it's possible Wolters is lying....she refused to give a direct answer

If she answered in the negative or positive it would mean what exactly?

 

[Lyall0814]

If she answered in the negative or positive it would mean what exactly?

I think some people might be on the verge of thinking our favourite spokesperson is the reincarnation of Martin Luther

 

[Okapi]

One thing I notice is that HCW often precedes statements with “We” … reminding us that there is a team, and a consensus behind the investigation in the prosecutor’s office.

 

[Dave55]

One thing I notice is that HCW often precedes statements with “We” … reminding us that there is a team, and a consensus behind the investigation in the prosecutor’s office.

I've noticed this to amd see it as highly significant

 

[RichardKimble]

So there's a broad consensus of agreement that they have no evidence that Madeleine is dead when HCW uses we.


He told the Channel 5 programme: “We have no forensic evidence that Madeleine is dead, we have no other results.

“I don’t know where the body is right now. If we knew, we would have found it.”

Redirect Notice

 

[RichardKimble]

One thing I notice is that HCW often precedes statements with “We” … reminding us that there is a team, and a consensus behind the investigation in the prosecutor’s office.

HCW personal opinion could be at total odds to the team though.

 

[Consider Dudley]

HCW personal opinion could be at total odds to the team though.

“We have no forensic evidence that Madeleine is dead, we have no other results.

“I don’t know where the body is right now. If we knew, we would have found it.”

If you’re right then it could mean that his team does have forensic evidence and does know where the body is. You can’t really have it both ways. He is either the spokesperson for the team, or he is a maverick making up rubbish to feed to the press and in so doing bringing his team and his office into disrepute. If the latter you’d have to ask why has he lasted this long?

 

[Okapi]

HCW personal opinion could be at total odds to the team though.

He is not speaking in a personal capacity though.

 

[Okapi]

So there's a broad consensus of agreement that they have no evidence that Madeleine is dead when HCW uses we.


He told the Channel 5 programme: “We have no forensic evidence that Madeleine is dead, we have no other results.

“I don’t know where the body is right now. If we knew, we would have found it.”

Redirect Notice

They have no forensic evidence. We are not privy to the evidence that they do have. Otherwise there might be 30-odd less threads!

 

[RichardKimble]

They have no forensic evidence. We are not privy to the evidence that they do have. Otherwise there might be 30-odd less threads!

He also said we have no other results, so that can just about ,if not rule out hard evidence.

30 odd threads are an aside, no sign of charges after 6 yrs of investigating, 3 yrs of those after naming a suspect what does that tell you?

 

[Consider Dudley]

interesting that the US police officer announcing the arrest of the alleged Gilgo Beach serial killer in NY last week described him at the press conference as “a demon that walks among us, a predator that ruined families” He also said of the suspect (who has since been charged): “If you have destroyed multiple families and taken a loved one away from them, in my eyes you’re a monster. I don’t care how vulgar or harsh it sounds, ask the families to have me put in a different phrase.”

So, rightly or wrongly it’s not that uncommon for the police to pass judgement on a suspect pre-trial.

 

[Consider Dudley]

Also interestingly cell phone triangulation helped pinpoint the alleged killer to his architect office in NY, I thought cell phone triangulation was not that accurate? Maybe it is easier to do in a big city?

 

[Lyall0814]

Also interestingly cell phone triangulation helped pinpoint the alleged killer to his architect office in NY, I thought cell phone triangulation was not that accurate? Maybe it is easier to do in a big city?

I believe it can be accurate when there are plenty of masts to get data from. That was not the case in Luz in 2007.

 

[Lyall0814]

interesting that the US police officer announcing the arrest of the alleged Gilgo Beach serial killer in NY last week described him at the press conference as “a demon that walks among us, a predator that ruined families” He also said of the suspect (who has since been charged): “If you have destroyed multiple families and taken a loved one away from them, in my eyes you’re a monster. I don’t care how vulgar or harsh it sounds, ask the families to have me put in a different phrase.”

So, rightly or wrongly it’s not that uncommon for the police to pass judgement on a suspect pre-trial.

It's also not uncommon for investigators to make mistakes when they are primarily relying on 'confession' evidence.