Madeleine McCann: German Prisoner Identified as Suspect, #39

[JB1510]

Did MT mention where he was living after the event and when he left Portugal ?

MT got out of paying his €1800 custodial fine by skipping across the border to Spain and where CB turned up in late May early June in a large motor home.

 

[mrjitty]

MT got out of paying his €1800 custodial fine by skipping across the border to Spain and where CB turned up in late May early June in a large motor home.

Thanks for the info.

In order to make the money to buy the home, do we guess that CBs drug dealing activities were more lucrative at this time?

 

[JB1510]

It’s quite possible , dependant on if he had the initial money to pay for it or it was tick and he had plenty of customers to supply before paying it back .To profit €18k he would have to shifted a large volume and then sell in small amounts , if true this would tie in with him selling drugs to parties and raves in the months before MM disappeared . If this was the case and he was flush would he still allegedly be doing break ins . Did he receive money from another source in connection with MM disappearance and the possible subsequent events that followed . We just don’t know at the moment.

 

[RichardKimble]

MT got out of paying his €1800 custodial fine by skipping across the border to Spain and where CB turned up in late May early June in a large motor home.

Thanks for the info.

In order to make the money to buy the home, do we guess that CBs drug dealing activities were more lucrative at this time?

Did CB buy/borrow this motorhome after 3/05/2007, it doesn't figure in any appeal in regards to MM?

 

[mrjitty]

I think if it said a source who wanted to remain anonymous, then fair enough, but to name a person, maybe worth digging around further to find, or we could just send him a FB message

Searching back through the threads it looks like the original Spanish language source for this has been deleted and it may have been a tabloid creation

Madeleine McCann: German prisoner identified as suspect - #17

The Sun has a new article with Helge Witness in new Maddie probe says suspect must 'stay in jail for long time'

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Madeleine McCann: German prisoner identified as suspect - #24

I wonder if this release will prove to be reliable or not.. According The Sun there’s something to do with phone records …new article today… Am curious why such details would be released to public ? New lead German cops probing Maddie suspect is revealed to be phone records So it really...

www.websleuths.com

 

[JB1510]

Did CB buy/borrow this motorhome after 3/05/2007, it doesn't figure in any appeal in regards to MM?

He bought it for €18 k in the Spring of 2007 via AB home computer , exact dates are unclear in Augsburg.This was spotted by MT in Spain in late May / early June and corroborated by DF who saw it in Portugal in either April or May 2007 he is unsure. Given the notion that DF would have likely flown to Portugal to visit his daughter in Foral I’m sure the BKA can now date this via flight confirmation or credit card use.

 

[mrjitty]

Wonder why the motorhome wasn't in the appeal. Suggests he acquired it afterwards?

 

[JB1510]

Wonder why the motorhome wasn't in the appeal. Suggests he acquired it afterwards?

I personally think afterwards myself and don’t think it’s involved in MM‘s disappearance.CB met AB in either 2005 or 2006 via his friend H who sold CB the jaguar. When CB was in court for theft he gave 2 addresses one was for BP where he was not living and an address in Augsburg which was an Avis Rental office address .

 

[RichardKimble]

He bought it for €18 k in the Spring of 2007 via AB home computer , exact dates are unclear in Augsburg.This was spotted by MT in Spain in late May / early June and corroborated by DF who saw it in Portugal in either April or May 2007 he is unsure. Given the notion that DF would have likely flown to Portugal to visit his daughter in Foral I’m sure the BKA can now date this via flight confirmation or credit card use.

He was flush with money at some stage then, if reports are true in 2007 he then bought drugs to sell onto a middle man in Germany, none of the items I'd venture were on credit.Still none of this links to the disappearance of MM imo.

2007​

Buys marihuana and hashish and sells it to a middle-man on the northern German island of Sylt, where it is sold on.

Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brückner: a timeline

German suspect’s previous convictions include sexual abuse of child and rape of woman, 72

www.theguardian.com

 

[Denis R Tandib]

BIB. This is why i value you going back to the primary facts that have been established from solid sources. Putting aside the MM affair and speculation for a moment, we do seem to know the following *

Before 2006, he seemed to be established in Portugal, had some evidence of real (casual) jobs, lived at an address, and was known in the locale. During this time he committed serious crimes including at least one rape, and allegedly more. This all seems to have fallen apart when he was arrested and imprisoned.

We know much less about the next years. It was reasonably easy for a european citizen to live 'off grid' in those times, but coming out of jail, it may have been difficult for him to rent somewhere to live etc. It's speculated his primary employment in this period was burglar and drug dealer. But I don't think we have reliable sourcing for this in 07

He then goes back to Germany and seems to be back on his feet. Drug dealing on Sylt is hardly low key like Portugal. It's a posh island where the wealthy germans go. We know he did this as he was charged for it. How long was it for? Was he just following the summer? (I don't know)

Later still he has a much more fixed lifestyle with a registered address in Germany and/or unofficial addresses, and owning property etc until everything collapses all over again - and especially his criminal offending catches up with him

What sticks out to me is this guy is operating on the fringes of society because he isn't capable of maintaining a legit existence. Indeed his extreme risk taking, substance abuse and criminal offending upends his life multiple times, which leaves him living in a van. Even his high points, he is running a kiosk which is not exactly the life of a successful drug dealer.

He ends up starving in the streets in Italy when his crimes have gone so far he literally has nothing.

At best he seems to scrape together an existence from criminal activity. I think that is a safe assumption for the entire period as we have never heard any evidence of actual employment apart from casual work early on in portugal, and the kiosk in Germay.

I think it is a reasonable assumption that it is his need to make money from crime and the consequences of his crime are what droves his moments. He self sabotages as a way of life (common of this personality type).

As you point out he doesn't really 'disappear' - is it the case that he was too poor to live anywhere and simply followed his opportunities for more offending?

* I am sure other posters in the thread can fill in more hard info/dates

It would be good to understand why he ended up in Italy.

IMO, the box factory was searched in 2016. He was extradited from Portugal in 2017 after the playground incident. This was so he could serve the sentence for the CSA offence.

When he left prison, he fled with a police escort to the Dutch border, then travelled overland to Italy. If I'm not mistaken, he left from Braunschweig - does anyone have a source that details this?

Why did he flee Germany at this time? To me, it indicates that there has been a history between the Braunschweig prosecutors, perhaps investigators in this area and CB. He knew they were after him and he did what he normally does which is flee to a warmer climate, only Portugal was too obvious this time.

 

[Mex]

I personally think afterwards myself and don’t think it’s involved in MM‘s disappearance.CB met AB in either 2005 or 2006 via his friend H who sold CB the jaguar. When CB was in court for theft he gave 2 addresses one was for BP where he was not living and an address in Augsburg which was an Avis Rental office address .

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MT added that he had returned to Praia da Luz in February 2007 to find CB camping near the town.

He said: 'He was going to raves and I think selling drugs. I stuck around for a bit and then went back to Spain.'

Just weeks after the abduction of MM CB also travelled to Spain where MT was living in Orgiva, Andalucia.

MT said: 'In late May or early June he arrived in Spain with his big American camper van. He knew I had connections to the marijuana world and could help him make money.

'We just thought he was a pervert but didn’t think he liked young children.'

Christian Brueckner took Madeleine McCann, says suspect's friend

Michael Tatschl (pictured), who lived with his former cellmate Christian Brueckner in a farmhouse near the Portuguese resort of Praia da Luz, believes the German took British child Madeleine McCann.

www.dailymail.co.uk

If anyone can provide the police with relatively accurate dates of residence and when vehicles were acquired it will be MT. He has been intensively questioned over a long period and despite his initial reluctance to co-operate will have supplied evidence which I think investigators have found to be sound after a spot check.

Snip (from above link)
MT said he decided against calling the authorities after watching the documentary because of his dislike of the police and his criminal past.

 

[RichardKimble]

It would be good to understand why he ended up in Italy.

IMO, the box factory was searched in 2016. He was extradited from Portugal in 2017 after the playground incident. This was so he could serve the sentence for the CSA offence.

When he left prison, he fled with a police escort to the Dutch border, then travelled overland to Italy. If I'm not mistaken, he left from Braunschweig - does anyone have a source that details this?

Why did he flee Germany at this time? To me, it indicates that there has been a history between the Braunschweig prosecutors, perhaps investigators in this area and CB. He knew they were after him and he did what he normally does which is flee to a warmer climate, only Portugal was too obvious this time.

Why a police escort to the border, did they want to see the back of him, only to have him arrested again, doesn't make sense does it?

 

[Denis R Tandib]

Why a police escort to the border, did they want to see the back of him, only to have him arrested again, doesn't make sense does it?

I don’t think they had anything to arrest him for - the MM investigation was in the early stages.

IIRC, the escort was because they thought he was dangerous. They allegedly called the Dutch police and did a handover to them at the border.

My point is that there is a lot more to the background to this.

 

[mrjitty]

Something I worried about all along is if this guy became the perfect suspect due to circumstantial evidence like the timing of the jag plates and him leaving PDL, but they were actually coincidental

Like imagine if the OC burglary evidence OP claims existed at the box factory is true, but a coincidence.

Nightmare

 

[JB1510]

Why a police escort to the border, did they want to see the back of him, only to have him arrested again, doesn't make sense does it?

It was some kind of legal loophole between authorities in Germany and Portugal. CB was nearly finishing his CSA sentence due to finish on the 31 August 2018 then they would start his sentence of 21 months for drug smuggling. However due to eu regulations there was a monumental up regarding extradition clauses with Portugal , the Germans tried to hurry it
through but alas in vain . CB walked out of prison much to the disgust of the Germans and they followed him where CB counter surveiled them losing them in Amsterdam iirc. Fortunately he was picked up 4 weeks later in Milan where he hasn’t seen the light of day since .

 

[RichardKimble]

It was some kind of legal loophole between authorities in Germany and Portugal. CB was nearly finishing his CSA sentence due to finish on the 31 August 2018 then they would start his sentence of 21 months for drug smuggling. However due to eu regulations there was a monumental *advertiser censored* up regarding extradition clauses with Portugal , the Germans tried to hurry it
through but alas in vain . CB walked out of prison much to the disgust of the Germans and they followed him where CB counter surveiled them losing them in Amsterdam iirc. Fortunately he was picked up 4 weeks later in Milan where he hasn’t seen the light of day since .

German authorities and legal loopholes seems to be theme in regards to CB.

 

[JB1510]

German authorities and legal loopholes seems to be theme in regards to CB.

EU regulations and extradition issues have been a hindrance to the German investigation not the other way round imo

 

[JB1510]

He was flush with money at some stage then, if reports are true in 2007 he then bought drugs to sell onto a middle man in Germany, none of the items I'd venture were on credit.Still none of this links to the disappearance of MM imo.

2007​

Buys marihuana and hashish and sells it to a middle-man on the northern German island of Sylt, where it is sold on.

Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brückner: a timeline

German suspect’s previous convictions include sexual abuse of child and rape of woman, 72

www.theguardian.com

The only speculation regarding the motor home is where the money came from to buy it . Was it drugs or something with a more sinister background.

 

[RichardKimble]

The only speculation regarding the motor home is where the money came from to buy it . Was it drugs or something with a more sinister background.

Sinister background doesn't work imo, HCW says CB killed MM , that's unlikely to reap reward.

 

[Davieson]

The only speculation regarding the motor home is where the money came from to buy it . Was it drugs or something with a more sinister background.

What did you have in mind ?
Paid to abduct and kill her on behalf of some one else. Some sort of revenge attack ?
Or perhaps paid to remove an already dead body ?
If he abducted and killed MM for his own pleasure, he's not likely to have been paid within the relevant timescale, even if he posted his actions on the dark web