Madeleine McCann: German Prisoner Identified as Suspect, #39

[JB1510]

What did you have in mind ?
Paid to abduct and kill her on behalf of some one else. Some sort of revenge attack ?
Or perhaps paid to remove an already dead body ?
If he abducted and killed MM for his own pleasure, he's not likely to have been paid within the relevant timescale, even if he posted his actions on the dark web

I’m not ruling out CB on being paid by a third party in some relation to the disappearance of MM it’s a 50/50 as nothing is known ,but its his involvement within the dark web that worries me and a habit of recording the torturing of people young or old. No way he’d upload MM to the dark web after 3 May .He could as you say do it for his own p and keeps the videos himself . We just don’t know

 

[RichardKimble]

I’m not ruling out CB on being paid by a third party in some relation to the disappearance of MM it’s a 50/50 as nothing is known ,but its his involvement within the dark web that worries me and a habit of recording the torturing of people young or old. No way he’d upload MM to the dark web after 3 May .He could as you say do it for his own p and keeps the videos himself . We just don’t know

Best not speculate, deal with what's known, HCW saying they have no video or pictures of CB with MM.

 

[mrjitty]

Is there any established evidence of people being paid to abduct children in europe, us, uk etc?

I feel like that idea can be ruled out as extraordinarily unlikely.

 

[JB1510]

Best not speculate, deal with what's known, HCW saying they have no video or pictures of CB with MM.

Agreed and this would be enough to solve the case , it’s however possible
that MM is in the pic and CB is unidentifiable due to whatever reasons , not enough to solve the case just on its own. The Germans are adamant he murdered her so they know something or have seen something extremely distressing to reach that conclusion.

 

[JB1510]

Is there any established evidence of people being paid to abduct children in europe, us, uk etc?

I feel like that idea can be ruled out as extraordinarily unlikely.

I know what you are saying , I personally wasn’t meaning paying for abduction more the content .I’m just thinking along the lines of how the internet and particularly the dark web has changed a world in a very short period of time and how much money changes hands and how more connected they are now . Truly awful .

 

[Anxala]

Is there any established evidence of people being paid to abduct children in europe, us, uk etc?

I feel like that idea can be ruled out as extraordinarily unlikely.

Of all the theories put forward, I've always felt that was the most unlikely one ever. Almost comically so.

Well above and beyond CB's criminal 'pay grade' imo.

 

[mrjitty]

Of all the theories put forward, I've always felt that was the most unlikely one ever. Almost comically so.

Well above and beyond CB's criminal 'pay grade' imo.

I mean I've seen cases of murder for hire for comically low prices, but i just never heard of this happening so wondered if it was more of an urban myth.

 

[misty48]

EU regulations and extradition issues have been a hindrance to the German investigation not the other way round imo

I do hope that if or when the time comes in MM case, Italy will permit the extradition of CB to Germany under the requisite EAW and not be swayed by any pressure from "the lawyers for the Mafia".

 

[Davieson]

Of all the theories put forward, I've always felt that was the most unlikely one ever. Almost comically so.

Well above and beyond CB's criminal 'pay grade' imo.

So it would be reasonable to accept that CB's sudden wealth had nothing to do with MM.

 

[Trivento]

I personally think afterwards myself and don’t think it’s involved in MM‘s disappearance.CB met AB in either 2005 or 2006 via his friend H who sold CB the jaguar. When CB was in court for theft he gave 2 addresses one was for BP where he was not living and an address in Augsburg which was an Avis Rental office address .

Madeleine McCann suspect was 'obsessed by pre-pubescent girls' says ex

Christian Brueckner was 'fascinated with the bodies of little girls' according to a woman who previously claimed to not have dated him but has now admitted they were an item when Madeleine disappeared.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Has been discussed on here previously , but according this article NF has said CB drove a Winnebago / Allegro style large campervan from Tomar to PDL on 3rd May ..

Of course could be false memory , cover story , error in reporting of type of campervan etc..
Or perhaps some truth in the account ?

Also an OP article talked about this , but is paywalled so I can’t read it..

Madeleine McCann suspect DID drive his winnebago on a long journey through Portugal on night toddler went missing - Olive Press News Spain

A GIRLFRIEND of Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brueckner has refused to discuss a robbery of €100,000 she is accused of masterminding with him. The

www.theolivepress.es

 

[Megnut]

Best not speculate, deal with what's known, HCW saying they have no video or pictures of CB with MM.

Which isn't to say they don't have photos of MM or of CB which imply the other.

jmo

 

[Denis R Tandib]

I mean I've seen cases of murder for hire for comically low prices, but i just never heard of this happening so wondered if it was more of an urban myth.

Who would hire a hit man to take out a three-year old in Portugal?

 

[Denis R Tandib]

It’s quite possible , dependant on if he had the initial money to pay for it or it was tick and he had plenty of customers to supply before paying it back .To profit €18k he would have to shifted a large volume and then sell in small amounts , if true this would tie in with him selling drugs to parties and raves in the months before MM disappeared . If this was the case and he was flush would he still allegedly be doing break ins . Did he receive money from another source in connection with MM disappearance and the possible subsequent events that followed . We just don’t know at the moment.

It’s possible that he saved up. IIRC, the VW was owned by BP and the Allegro would have been a big improvement in accomodation.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

It was some kind of legal loophole between authorities in Germany and Portugal. CB was nearly finishing his CSA sentence due to finish on the 31 August 2018 then they would start his sentence of 21 months for drug smuggling. However due to eu regulations there was a monumental *advertiser censored* up regarding extradition clauses with Portugal , the Germans tried to hurry it
through but alas in vain . CB walked out of prison much to the disgust of the Germans and they followed him where CB counter surveiled them losing them in Amsterdam iirc. Fortunately he was picked up 4 weeks later in Milan where he hasn’t seen the light of day since .

Do you have a source for this please?

 

[Denis R Tandib]

What did you have in mind ?
Paid to abduct and kill her on behalf of some one else. Some sort of revenge attack ?
Or perhaps paid to remove an already dead body ?
If he abducted and killed MM for his own pleasure, he's not likely to have been paid within the relevant timescale, even if he posted his actions on the dark web

We’ve discussed this before and IMO, it would explain a few things surrounding the case - I’ll pm you.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

Something I worried about all along is if this guy became the perfect suspect due to circumstantial evidence like the timing of the jag plates and him leaving PDL, but they were actually coincidental

Like imagine if the OC burglary evidence OP claims existed at the box factory is true, but a coincidence.

Nightmare

… and bolstered by an extreme dislike for the suspect - I imagine him having an unpleasant personality!

 

[Mex]

CB fled Germany for the Algarve, Portugal in 1995 when already a young offender involving assaults on minors.

Snip
In 1999 CB was arrested by Portuguese police and sent back to his home country to serve a youth sentence.

He is believed to have served prison sentences in Portugal, where he was known to police for drug dealing and breaking into holiday apartments and hotels.

Back in Germany in 2011, he was sentenced for trafficking narcotic drugs, and then in 2016 he was convicted for child *** ***** and possessing indecent images.

His reported total of 17 previous convictions also include theft and forging documents.

In December last year, CB was convicted of the 2005 rape in Portugal and jailed for seven years, but the sentence has not yet been imposed because of an ongoing appeal.
He is currently serving an unrelated sentence for drug trafficking in the northern German city of Kiel.

Madeleine McCann suspect 'had moved to Portugal to flee prison sentence' in Germany

Race to find new evidence as suspect to be considered for release from prison term for drug offences

www.independent.co.uk

The five 2022 charges laid against CB in who is an inveterate criminal have been a long time coming. Is it any wonder he is a suspect in a very serious crime and is it any wonder the police have evidence which supports that?

Is there is any ground swell to support the notion I saw recently that investigators are running a personal vendetta against CB because they not he are not very nice people.
Loads of really strange allegations have been made in the MM investigation but that's an interesting one

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[Denis R Tandib]

CB fled Germany for the Algarve, Portugal in 1995 when already a young offender involving assaults on minors.

Snip
In 1999 CB was arrested by Portuguese police and sent back to his home country to serve a youth sentence.

He is believed to have served prison sentences in Portugal, where he was known to police for drug dealing and breaking into holiday apartments and hotels.

Back in Germany in 2011, he was sentenced for trafficking narcotic drugs, and then in 2016 he was convicted for child *** ***** and possessing indecent images.

His reported total of 17 previous convictions also include theft and forging documents.

In December last year, CB was convicted of the 2005 rape in Portugal and jailed for seven years, but the sentence has not yet been imposed because of an ongoing appeal.
He is currently serving an unrelated sentence for drug trafficking in the northern German city of Kiel.

Madeleine McCann suspect 'had moved to Portugal to flee prison sentence' in Germany

Race to find new evidence as suspect to be considered for release from prison term for drug offences

www.independent.co.uk

The five 2022 charges laid against CB in who is an inveterate criminal have been a long time coming. Is it any wonder he is a suspect in a very serious crime and is it any wonder the police have evidence which supports that?

Is there is any ground swell to support the notion I saw recently that investigators are running a personal vendetta against CB because they not he are not very nice people.
Loads of really strange allegations have been made in the MM investigation but that's an interesting one

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How about:

1. The repeated and unnecessary media proclamations of the suspect's guilt in the media;
2. The prosecutors clinging onto the case even when they had been advised it was out of their jurisdiction;
3. Views of journalists that the relationship between prosecutor and suspect is acrimonious;
4. The transfer from Kiel to Oldenburg to make the suspect's prison time more difficult;
5. A six-year investigation that seems to be going nowhere - The Portuguese investigators have stated that, "The Germans are continually looking at old clues and going down dark alleys."
5. The suspects own writings, which have been published in the media stating this fact.

I haven't suggested that there is a vendetta but the above seems unusual.

Persistently stating that there was evidence that CB committed five crimes, does not mean he has anything to do with MM and furthermore the evidence has not been tested in court - it may never be.

 

[RichardKimble]

Which isn't to say they don't have photos of MM or of CB which imply the other.

jmo

It was posted not long ago ,Wolters had this to say on the CH5 docu with MWT, which is indicative of no photo imo.

"We have no forensic evidence that Madeleine is dead, we have no other results.

“I don’t know where the body is right now. If we knew, we would have found it.”

 

[Consider Dudley]

We’ve discussed this before and IMO, it would explain a few things surrounding the case - I’ll pm you.

If being paid to abduct a young child is considered unlikely then I would say so is hiring some random criminal to dispose of an inconvenient body.